About that Mask Mandate

by Kerry Dougherty

Like everything else he’s done during the coronavirus crisis, Gov. Ralph Northam’s announcement that he was ordering masks for all Virginians over the age of 10 when they’re in brick and mortar establishments was onerous to businesses and fraught with contradictions.

For instance, he warned about the mask mandate on Friday, May 22 , announced it on Tuesday, and it goes into effect tomorrow.

If masks are such a critical tool to control the spread of the virus — and there are experts who disagree — why did Northam wait more than two months after declaring a health emergency to issue his order?

Then there’s the matter of enforcement.

At his presser, Northam said police would not be enforcing the executive order. Instead, face mask enforcement would be the responsibility of businesses that will face stiff penalties from the health department if they don’t knuckle under.

That means the minimum-wage cart corraler at the supermarket or the Walmart greeter will have to block the unmasked, some of whom may be a tad irritable after two months of unemployment and lockdowns.

What could possibly go wrong?

Of course, Northam couldn’t ask law enforcement to arrest people violating the mask order, because it’s unlikely they’d cooperate. That would have been humiliating for the governor, so he simply pointed his finger at business owners and told them to deal with it. According to the Richmond Times-Dispatch:

The Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police earlier Tuesday “strongly” opposed a face mask requirement, arguing that it could force businesses to enforce it, potentially exposing them to dangerous encounters.

The police chiefs association said the order turns “good advice into a mandate” that will be enforced with trespassing citations and by physically removing violaters from businesses.

The group argued it “destroys police/community relations and puts business owners in a no-win situation: either be prepared to confront people you value as customers, or avoid the risk of a potentially violent confrontation by keeping your business closed.”

As if business owners don’t have problems enough, now they have to enforce an unpopular edict from the governor.

It’s also unclear just how long the mask mandate will remain in effect. During his press conference Northam was vague, saying the order would be lifted as soon as it’s safe.

Moments later, however, Northam noted that the General Assembly would convene a special session in either July or August, and he planned to ask lawmakers then to decide on a penalty for violators.

That’s ominous.

The governor clearly expects his masking requirement to stretch into the long, hot summer. And beyond.

Northam also declared that face coverings would be required indoors in restaurants unless customers were eating or drinking.

He seemed to forget that indoor dining is banned in Virginia. Then again, he may have been providing a scintilla of hope that the commonwealth is about to enter Phase 2, with restaurants permitted to open indoor dining at 50 percent capacity.

The governor will have to forgive folks for being conflicted about masks. This is not Asia. Mask wearing is foreign to our North American culture and not something most of us are eager to adopt.

Plus, the messaging has been confusing and contradictory.

For instance, on March 8th, the vaunted Dr. Anthony Fauci went on “60 Minutes” and said, “People should not be wearing masks, “ adding that ordinary masks are not effective in protecting against the virus and that they have “unintended consequences” like people touching their faces MORE to adjust their masks.

But 26 days later, Fauci did an about-face, urging Americans to cover their faces. This week, Fauci said he wears a mask as a “symbol” of what “we should be doing.”

Symbolism. How nice.

On top of that, the governor noted that the face coverings need not be medical grade. They can be just a thin piece of cotton and a rubber band. Gauze, perhaps?

From my limited observations, many people in Virginia Beach are wearing masks when they’re shopping. Some are not. This mandate, however, rankles because of its authoritarian tone. The new rule also lards yet another task on businesses that are already struggling to reopen under some of the state’s crushing Covid-19 regulations.

Worse, it makes the Resort City a less-attractive destination for tourists on the East Coast. Beachgoers can travel south to North or South Carolina and find beautiful beaches where they won’t have to put on a mask to run into the 7-Eleven for a Slurpee or to dine in a restaurant whenever the governor deems it safe to allow that.

Given Northam’s embarrassing day on the Virginia Beach boardwalk last weekend, where he ignored all rules of social distancing, humility might have led him to simply urge Virginians to wear masks, without making them mandatory.

But that isn’t this governor’s style.

This column was published originally on www.kerrydougherty.com.

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64 responses to “About that Mask Mandate

  1. Here, I’ll reprint a comment I just posted on the other monster string about this topic. I was advising VN to go to Netflix to see “Waco.”

    “Well it sure isn’t the version the FBI, ATF or Janet Reno would want people to see. Those people were murdered, just like that poor man in Minneapolis. It ties in with this debate. Americans hate being bossed around, it always creates as much resistance as compliance and ends badly. Reason and argument always work better, along with leading by example (that would be you Gov. N and President T….I saw your wife and daughter with masks, Trump!)

    But, Jeez, the whining about this is such a wonderful example of how the modern Republican party run by you know who is losing ground so fast and racing toward insignificance. But just like in 2016, the Democrats have shown their genius by picking a nominee he can beat.”

    Shut up and do it. Or don’t. I have no problem with it.

    • I watched Waco, too, and it certainly wasn’t the story I remember hearing from the establishment news media back then. The events were horrifying, and it is astonishing to me that they have been largely forgotten. The movie does take some liberties — it portrays the ATF as starting the firefight that led to the stand-off, when the first shooter is actually unknown. And it never explores the question, hey, where did the Branch Davidians get all those guns? Those points aside, the series was powerful — so powerful that it changed my thinking on the deployment of government police powers. Combine this movie with what we now know the top echelons of the FBI did to bring down the Trump administration, and I feel even less confident about bequeathing police powers to the leviathan state than I did before.

    • You’ll have to remember that Governor Northam may be reluctant to wear a mask after the picture was unearthed in his yearbook. That didn’t work so well for him back then.

  2. I argued in a recent column that the mask mandate wasn’t so awful compared to some of Wise King Ralph’s edicts shutting down the economy, especially if the order gives him the leeway to relax the shutdown. I also said that conservatives and libertarians should, out of a sense of personal responsibility, abide by the order and wear masks to protect others from the spread of the virus.

    That said, I think Kerry makes some good points here — especially her observations about the coherence of the Governor’s policy. If masks were so all important to fighting the virus, why order them now, this late in the game? How long does he expect us to wear them? What criteria will he use to decide when we no longer have to wear them? If you get the sense that Wise King Ralph is shooting from the hip, so do I.

    • I started wearing one after Bader told me to here on BR. 🙂 And my daughter the NP (who also found us a construction-grade N95.) Couldn’t care less what King Ralph says. He has lost his cred.

  3. The Mask Nazi strikes again. 😉

  4. The Virginia Mercury has done a better job of following these issues than the establishment newspapers. From its morning newsletter:

    Gov. Ralph Northam has directed the state labor commissioner to develop emergency workplace regulations addressing on-the-job safety concerns that have prompted thousands of employee complaints since the COVID-19 pandemic began.

    It’s a significant shift from the voluntary guidelines he put in place when he first declared a state of emergency in March, which have drawn criticism from a wide range of advocates, who argue the state needs clear, enforceable safety rules as it begins to reopen. (READ MORE)

    Yes, disobeying Virginia’s mask order could carry a criminal charge. But Northam appears to be counting on compliance.

    ***********

    Gov. Ralph Northam said the state wouldn’t pursue criminal enforcement of his new mask order.

    So why does the order itself carry a Class 1 misdemeanor penalty?

    • An explanation for that was offered at the news conference. That’s the only option until the Health Department can create an emergency reg on the issue. That said, it does leave open the possibility of a criminal sanction. Would some local cop or prosecutor do that? We’ll see, since obviously defiance is in the air. I don’t expect this requirement to go away until there is a vaccine or treatment or a solid time period of near-zero new cases.

  5. Also Bob Lewis has a good commentary in the Mercury about how good doctors aren’t always good managers. Coming from a family of doctors, I have to admit there is some truth to it.

      • Steve says above: “Lewis is the Nancy Naive of Virginia Mercury.”

        Should that be true, then a lot of loose pieces abruptly fit together, including the suggestion that Nancy Naive’s job here may well be that of a mole working for Virginia Mercury to foul up and erase quickly from public view on Bacon’s Rebellion’s commentary board the commentary here of others, while Mr. Lewis, writing as Nancy Naive, fills that BR board with her / his own nonsensical one liners dashed off in seconds, and he also writes fine and thoughtful articles for Virginia Mercury.

        If so (if this be true), Mister Lewis has been wildly successful, a great double agent. And all of the Virginia Mercury must be laughing uproariously. I would be, if I were they, working there.

        So I will put up on that board this again.

        Reed Fawell 3rd | May 28, 2020 at 10:04 am | Reply

        I am repeating this comment put up shortly before Kerry’s very fine article above and on point to it.

        What my earlier comment implies but does not say expressly is a new thought not raised here on BR so far, namely:

        That a mask rule, and all rules, in the hands of a saint is far less dangerous, and far more likely to do more good than harm, when it is exercised by that saint, than when it is exercised by a chronic abuser of power. Here I believe, we see a chronic abuse of power by this Virginia’s administration, an abuse that began during his campaign for governor, and has continued ever since, not to mention the events in the spring and summer of 2017 in Charlottesville when Northam was serving as Lieutenant Governor of Virginia. That too was an abuse of power, in my view, one that put in train a whole series of unfortunate events.

        Reed Fawell 3rd | May 28, 2020 at 8:41 am | Reply

        Very interesting commentary above, all of it. For example, this by Steve: “The Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police earlier Tuesday “strongly” opposed a face mask requirement, arguing that it could force businesses to enforce it, potentially exposing them to dangerous encounters.

        Business will be made out to be the villains.”

        So, in practical affect we have a Commonwealth created by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Marshall (to name only a few), that has been hijacked by our elites who have turned it into a kleptocracy that now is run by a interim tyrant with unlimited powers for the duration of his own ill defined emergency, whose length, substance, and solutions are determined exclusively by that illegitimate Tyrant.

        This scheme has been created behind closed doors so that the elites can escape responsibility for all the damage they have caused to the people, while their scheme aggregates their power and wealth, centralizing it long term under that elites’ kleptocracy that now holds all levers of power and wealth in the former Commonwealth of Virginia.

        And now, under an elaboration of their scheme, the interim and illegitimate tyrant, acting in concert with the elites, drops the entire responsibility of enforcing their own illegitimate diktats onto small business owners on the main streets in Virginia so as to discredit those business owner in the minds of their customers, after the elites have drained those very same small business people of their wealth and livelihoods, and often bankrupted them, while destroying the jobs of their workers.

        A more evil and corrupt and destructive exercise of public power in Virginia by its elites is hard to imagine.

        How has Virginia come to this low point?

        See: https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/you-dont-have-to-like-the-decree-but-wear-face-masks-anyway/

        • “From “Drastic Coronavirus Lockdowns Are The Most Regressive Policies Since The Draft” by J.T. Young at the Federalist, May 28:

          Those people working in lower-earning occupations are most victimized by lockdowns, as they more likely lack work-at-home options. The same regressive dynamic applies to business-owners. Those with limited capital and limited opportunities to borrow suffer most. And it applies to those forced back onto their savings: The smaller, the more vulnerable.

          The same regressive effects reverberate throughout different aspects of the lockdowns. In transportation, those with lower incomes face the risks of public transit, or its absence. For those whose children are trapped in inferior public school, their kids lack the same remote learning opportunities of better public and private schools. In child care, outside day care is lost, or its risk increased. Inevitably, bankruptcies will come, and these too will be concentrated here. Full recoveries may take years, if they ever occur.

          Despite these increasing regressive effects, the lockdowns spawning them are in the most self-styled “progressive” states. . . . The draft’s inequities were clear, and efforts to address them failed because the policy was inherently regressive. So too are lockdowns. Understandably, rushing to wage war on the little-understood coronavirus, overly aggressive responses occurred.”

          For more in Wall Street Journal, see:

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-the-draft-11590707035

  6. Think of it as a fashion accessory.

  7. Can anyone tell me where I can purchase the Northam developed fullface mask he wore during his days in Medical College?

  8. Bob Lewis has good commentary about some good doctors are not always good managers. I come from a family of doctors and have been around them all my life. Rings true. (Although I get bored by all the dumping on Northam.

  9. James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Executive Order 63 does not state specifically what must be worn. It simply says face covering. So what exactly is a face covering? Obviously a N-95 mask. Any dust mask?
    Bandana?
    Scarves?
    Spider Man mask from Halloween?
    Roll of paper towels wrapped around head?
    Roll of duct tape? (I actually had a jackpot do this in class one day for fun, we had to get the rescue squad to cut the stuff off)
    Please Governor Northam would you be specific? I tried to look it up at the VDH website but I was unsuccessful.
    I personally have been using a bandana ala bank robber style. Am I compliant starting tomorrow?
    https://www.governor.virginia.gov/media/governorvirginiagov/executive-actions/EO-63-and-Order-Of-Public-Health-Emergency-Five—Requirement-To-Wear-Face-Covering-While-Inside-Buildings.pdf

  10. James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Executive Order 63 states: Medical-grade masks and personal protective equipment should be reserved for medical personnel.

    So if one wears medical grade n-95 mask does this violate EO 63. I know the common sense answer but this is listed under the enforcement section of EO 63.

  11. James Wyatt Whitehead V

    The exceptions to EO 63 are interesting. Being a school teacher and supervisor of afterschool detention (back when such things were permitted) young people love to find the loop holes. Adults are even worse. Age has a way of perfecting disobedience.

    So the exception states exempt while eating and drinking. Designed for restaurants. But what if I walk around Wal Mart with a bottle of water? Exempt right? If I have my Cheetos while I am in Food Lion, I am exempt.

    EO 63 states this: Any person who declines to wear a face covering because of a medical condition shall not be required to produce or carry medical documentation verifying the stated condition nor shall the person be required to identify the precise underlying medical condition.

    I know people who are going to pull this trick because they are upset/angry and they want to punch back at something. I am not saying who is right or wrong I am just telling you what is coming on Friday from some.

    • I know what restaurant owners plan to do: Station a worker by the door with a tray of water glasses. Pass them out as diners enter the establishment and no one has to wear a mask in a restaurant. Don’t doubt me.

  12. As I stated yesterday, all an individual has to do is state I have a health condition that prohibits me from wearing a mask. The business can’t question it, individuals can’t question it and most certainly the Government cannot question it.

    It’s a no win situation for business owners who outside of Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot and the like are teetering on bankruptcy. It’s also a no win for the people enforcing is, as the company will let that bus run them over without batting an eye.

    Should you wear a mask? Yes, you should to keep your germs to yourself (that’s all they do). However, it should not and cannot be mandated, if that were the case they would have the Police enforce it.

    • James Wyatt Whitehead V

      I don’t believe the police can enforce it. We will end up with mask free sanctuary counties/cities/towns. I suspect somebody on the Northam staff thought of this. How many employees work for VDH? Do they even possesses the manpower to enforce EO 63? Our friends at VDH are busy right? Aren’t they supposed to be tracking the virus and testing and so on?

  13. I am repeating this comment put up shortly before Kerry’s very fine article above and on point to it.

    What my earlier comment implies but does not say expressly is a new thought not raised here on BR so far, namely:

    That a mask rule, and all rules, in the hands of a saint is far less dangerous, and far more likely to do more good than harm, when it is exercised by that saint, than when it is exercised by a chronic abuser of power. Here I believe, we see a chronic abuse of power by this Virginia’s administration, an abuse that began during his campaign for governor, and has continued ever since, not to mention the events in the spring and summer of 2017 in Charlottesville when Northam was serving as Lieutenant Governor of Virginia. That too was an abuse of power, in my view, one that put in train a whole series of unfortunate events.

    Reed Fawell 3rd | May 28, 2020 at 8:41 am | Reply

    Very interesting commentary above, all of it. For example, this by Steve: “The Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police earlier Tuesday “strongly” opposed a face mask requirement, arguing that it could force businesses to enforce it, potentially exposing them to dangerous encounters.

    Business will be made out to be the villains.”

    So, in practical affect we have a Commonwealth created by Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Marshall (to name only a few), that has been hijacked by our elites who have turned it into a kleptocracy that now is run by a interim tyrant with unlimited powers for the duration of his own ill defined emergency, whose length, substance, and solutions are determined exclusively by that illegitimate Tyrant.

    This scheme has been created behind closed doors so that the elites can escape responsibility for all the damage they have caused to the people, while their scheme aggregates their power and wealth, centralizing it long term under that elites’ kleptocracy that now holds all levers of power and wealth in the former Commonwealth of Virginia.

    And now, under an elaboration of their scheme, the interim and illegitimate tyrant, acting in concert with the elites, drops the entire responsibility of enforcing their own illegitimate diktats onto small business owners on the main streets in Virginia so as to discredit those business owner in the minds of their customers, after the elites have drained those very same small business people of their wealth and livelihoods, and often bankrupted them, while destroying the jobs of their workers.

    A more evil and corrupt and destructive exercise of public power in Virginia by its elites is hard to imagine.

    How has Virginia come to this low point?

    See: https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/you-dont-have-to-like-the-decree-but-wear-face-masks-anyway/

  14. Crazy jd. I have not heard of 16,000 documented lies a la trump

  15. Keep America Beautiful — Wear your MAGA hat over your face.

  16. re: how come the mask recommendation did a 180?

    1. – evolving opinions from science.. it happens – especially when we’re dealing with new diseases…

    2. – if we are going to relax business restrictions – we become more exposed and more vulnerable to the virus.

    In terms of mandating and “recommending” – this is like recommending that people don’t smoke in restaurants. Yep – a lot of people would follow the request but there is always a certain group who say it’s is their “right” – and we are then forced to enact actual laws… and even then those folks will challenge the laws..

    We have the same problem with other things – like not throwing litter or going faster than a recommended speed. Even in places where lines are formed – even for fast food, there are always those that will jump them. It’s the same folks that leave their shopping carts in the parking lot instead of putting them in the corrals…

    I think what Northam did – he did on purpose to basically encourage businesses and to encourage peer pressure.

    Yep, there will still be some asshats.. always are..

    • Basically the advice reversed when it became evident people with no symptoms could spread this. Covering does reduce the spread of your own breath with any droplets, aerosol virus, etc. Better to cough or sneeze into the mask (but people have been seen to lift the mask to sneeze….) If actually symptomatic, just stay home!

  17. James Wyatt Whitehead V

    What about eyewear? Is that a possible add on to EO 63? Seems logical since this is a transmission point. Which pair of eye glasses would work best? Swimming goggles would be effective. I have seen that one time already. I like those sports goggles like the one Moses Malone and Kareem used to wear. Maybe Bono glasses? Richard Petty looked sharp for you racing fans. This would be a gold mine for a clever business startup. It might really be a good idea for some. I would consider wearing if just to ease the grass pollen that bothers my eyes this time of the year.

  18. In a parallel universe: “Good morning Virginia. As you can all I see, I am now wearing one of those masks, and you will not see me again without it, even at this podium. This is in line with the new advice from the CDC and you will see other leaders across the U.S. doing the same, including even our President. This virus spreads before you show symptoms, and you may never show symptoms, but can sicken others. Wearing a mask is a courtesy, me trying to protect you, and if most of you do the same, we’ll get out of this mess a bit more rapidly.” Didn’t happen, but would have worked way better. (Maybe the envelope with the self-serving letter about the stimulus check could have included a sample mask!)

  19. re: ” Wearing a mask is a courtesy, ” .. yeah like not smoking in a restaurant used to be before the “it is my right” folks refused..

    In terms of public health, it seems incongruous that if we agree that second hand smoke IS a public health threat that we then think that a virus like COVID19 is not… it’s just a “choice” or “courtesy”.

    • Smoking in a restaurant was previously at the discretion of the restaurant. In 2009 Code of Virginia 15.2-2825 made it illegal to smoke in restaurants, but that was Law passed by legislature.

      Without a Law drafted and passed by the GA and signed by the Governor it can only be a courtesy.

    • Smoking indoors was on the way out well before the law was passed. Yet, smoking is still a PITA to enforce amongst the minority who refused to comply (years after the legislation was passed), and they often blame the establishment rather than the government. Business is made out to be the villian.

      It would have been fine if our overlords had left it up to individual establishments to set thier own smoking policies. Customers can make thier own choices as to which establishment they want to patronize.

      Drinking underage or wearing a mask in public is another matter. Some adults are still going to refuse to wear a mask, and that puts business in a no-win situation.

      The big question is how is this mask manidate going to be enforced, if at all. If the Governor and the Legislators were willing to take responsiblity for their own actions, they would require the state and local police to enforce this on individuals not pass it off to businesses.

  20. With freedom comes responsibility. Refuse to be considerate of others, and you lose your freedoms. Wearing a mask is not a big deal, unless there is a medical reason to not do so. But, its amazing the adverse reaction people are having (especially 20 somethings.)

    We’ve had masks available for staff for a couple months. Many employees have been refusing to wear them. Early on, we were concerned that manidating masks would violate OSHA rules. On May 30th, some will probably still refuse. Some will lie about medical conditions, but then we have to tread lightly on medical privacy regulations.

    We already have customers telling us they won’t wear the mask. Again, some will lie about medical conditions. I’m not putting employees in the position of being judge or law enforcement. The EO is not clear as to whether businesses are required to enforce the manidate on patrons, but it certainly inferrs it.

    So far, no clear guidance from HD. Our private consulants are telling us, unless clearly told otherwise by the HD, don’t enforce the manidate on patrons as it puts employees at risk. Do we log every instance of refusal by patrons, to prove to the HD we’re being compliant? If asked, those patrons that refuse will likley cite “FU” as thier reason.

    Businesses are like the ball in a game of ping-pong, getting bounced between one regulation or another. Regardless of which regulator wins, we end up being paddled.

    Education before regulation goes a long way. Our State Government has been awful about communication. Just saying something is “science based” means squat to people; its a reliance on authority bias, at best, and its no different that when a right-winger tries to tell people its “god’s will” or the “bible tells me so.” Really, its laziness on the part of politically biased egomanics and do-gooders who want to dictate to others without understanding and-or caring about the effects and-or are clueless how complicated our society and economy is.

    Everyone thinks “I’m in the right” and too many don’t care that others disagree (rightly or wrongly.) Its not a matter of whether your are right or wrong, its a matter of understanding that people have different opinions. Micromanaging from an ivory tower doesn’t work.

  21. re: ” With freedom comes responsibility. Refuse to be considerate of others, and you lose your freedoms.”

    ” Everyone thinks “I’m in the right” and too many don’t care that others disagree (rightly or wrongly.) Its not a matter of whether your are right or wrong, its a matter of understanding that people have different opinions. Micromanaging from an ivory tower doesn’t work.”

    At the end of the day – what happens?

    Take smoking in restaurants. Remember how there was a similar “divide” between people who hated it and those that said it was their “right”.

    Restaurants tried to deal with it by having “non-smoking” sections, ditto for airplanes… and other public venues.

    But in the end – the folks that wanted to smoke were not going to stop until they were forced to.

    So.. we can argue about ivory towers and EOs and whatever but in the end – we’ve seen this movie before.

  22. Spoken like someone who has never had to deal with the general public.

    Smoking indoors was on the way out well before the law was passed. Yet, smoking is still a PITA to enforce amongst the minority who refused to comply (years after the legislation was passed), and they often blame the establishment rather than the government. Business is made out to be the villian.

    It would have been fine if our overlords had left it up to individual establishments to set thier own smoking policies. Customers can make thier own choices as to which establishment they want to patronize. There are still a lot of people that refuse to wear masks; unlike smoking, many people have have not warmed up to the idea.

    Drinking underage or wearing a mask in public is another matter. It doesn’t matter if you are I agree people should be wearing masks! Some adults are still going to refuse to wear a mask, and that puts business in a no-win situation.

    The big question is how is this mask manidate going to be enforced, if at all? If the Governor and the Legislators were willing to take responsiblity for their own actions, they would require the state and local police to enforce this on individuals not pass it off to businesses to do the dirty work.

    • You’re exactly right about indoor smoking being on its way out by the time the law was passed. If memory serves, nearly 80 percent of Virginia restaurants had banned smoking before the state stepped in. Those of us who didn’t want to dine in smoky restaurants voiced our objections before leaving – without eating – and just like that, private businesses took notice.

      • The bigger point was WHY smoking was on it’s way out to start with?

        AND in line with today’s politics, why did restaurants have the right to ban smoking and if they did, why not masks?

        If you look at the demographics, my suspects are that the folks who opposed smoking in restaurants/other businesses are LIKELY also the ones who are concerned about the virus spreading and support measures to deal with that.

        no?

        • The tobacco industry probably contributed more to killing the”first 100K” than the virus did. But it has way better PR and lobbyists and gives campaign $$….Fast food close second.

  23. … as a side note, one of the primary reasons some people (particularly self-conscious young adults) are refusing to wear masks is they are socially uncomfortable with it; its a social fopah; not cool; shows some sign of vulnerability, etc. Other than true medical reasons, many of the excuses to justify not wearing masks are just self-rationalized deflections of the above fact.

    Its going to take some time and more trendsetters. Maybe our Governor could try setting the example this weekend at the beach, rather than defying it himself.

    Continued education, public figures setting an example, would go much further than a unenforcable manidate

    • All the looters in Minneapolis last night had them on. Very cool.

      • Yes, Minneapolis and (at least my part of) Virginia don’t have the same social trends and stigmas. North Virginia is, undoublty, very different also. But, we are, admittedly, slow to catch on to the latest trends around here

  24. not dealing with the public? Au contraire… done my share and then some…. first jobs… second jobs… retirement jobs… been there, seen it and know the types. Always someone who has to _itch about something.

    there are two types, probably others and variants:

    those that will do what the govt or the business wants in the moment – even if they disagree with it – and they may take it up with a store manager or elective representative, later in the right time and place, etc.. but they do what the business wants.. rather than cause a ruckus…

    and then those who are more adolescent and have to make it about them and their “rights”……….. right then and there… and whoever is
    dealing with them get another pile of crap piled on their work.

    been there, seen that… some you can reason with – others born to cause trouble.

    These folks were all over the place in the days when smoking in business establishments became an issue. It was not only the health aspect, it was about being respective of others – their own rights were more important and many purposely caused incidents before they were finally shouted down.

    The masks are a simple idea to respect others and yet it’s a bridge too far for some folks… they got excuses out the wazoo from “it’s my right” or “I don’t like the govt forcing me to”… etc, etc…

    • Comparing mask wearing to smoking is a notion that you completely shoot down when you say that the masks are an idea done for others as opposed to oneself. The idea that someone is saving anyone else by wearing a mask is nothing more than virtue signalling at the highest order, so people need to at least be honest and admit that they’re wearing a mask to help themselves. There’s nothing wrong with wearing a mask to keep yourself safe, it can be a great idea, but let’s not fool ourselves into actually believing it to be some twisted version of civic duty here.

      Either way, the mandate is absurd, late, and pointless right now. All of our metrics are quickly and steadily progressing in the right direction, and that’s two weeks into most of Virginia already being at phase one. Nevermind that most large stores have already been crowded this entire time with optional mask wearing, and the numbers have still been going in the correct direction. Therefore, let’s also admit that the Governor appears to be doing nothing more than caving to some unions who’ve demanded more, that’s all.

      The Governor’s biggest problem is how he lays down a goal, or guideline, only to revisit and change it multiple times. First he didn’t want to mandate masks, then he confirmed that our numbers were doing much better, but somehow this led to him stating that he’d mandate it if the numbers began moving in the wrong direction again, which they didn’t, while he even complimented beachgoers on doing a great job following the guidelines, but he then makes it all mandatory. There’s simply no logic here, no consistency, and he’s becoming increasingly unreliable in his positions, period. There’s much I could point to in order to compliment his response to this virus, but his backtracking on a unified Virginia moving forward, and then this, it’s all making me questions what else he’ll muddy in the near future. The Governor should have stuck to his policies as initially stated, because if he did so then we’d still be doing fine minus the increasing quagmire ahead.

  25. The mask wearing is not just a Virginia issue and it’s supported and recommended by almost all epidemiologists right now as a way to more safely open up the economy.

    The recommendation for masks was driven as a way to open back up and wear masks when social distancing cannot be maintained.

    It ought not be a partisan issue and it’s not if one looks at the polls. The vast majority of people support the wearing of masks as a way for all of us to try to get businesses re-opened.

    Many in the GOP itself is in favor of this:

    ” As President Donald Trump continues to treat face masks as something to mock and refuses to wear one in public, there has been a growing chorus of Republicans against President’s suggestion that wearing cloth masks to prevent the spread of the novel coronavirus is considered a sign of ‘personal weakness’ or ‘political correctness’.

    Among them are Governors, who seek to prevent a rebound in Covid-19 cases and federal lawmakers, who face tough re-election fights later this year, as national polling shows lopsided support for wearing masks in public, The Washington Post reported.

    “Wearing a face covering is not about politics – it’s about helping other people. This is one time when we truly are all in this together. What we do directly impacts others,” Ohio Governor Mike DeWine tweeted on Tuesday, while echoing comments by North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum last week.

    On Tuesday night, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell posted a photograph of himself wearing a mask on Instagram. While Fred Upton has added ‘#wearyourmask’ to his Twitter handle.

    Senator John Cornyn, who is running for re-election this year, shared a photograph of himself in a mask on Monday, asking others to adopt the practice. “We all have to do our part. Maintain social distancing but if you can’t, do this. Easy peasy. Go for it,” Cornyn wrote on Instagram.

    https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/covid-19-republicans-divided-over-donald-trump-s-mockery-of-wearing-masks-120052800587_1.html

  26. “With freedom comes responsibility. Refuse to be considerate of others, and you lose your freedoms. ”

    Really, is that how it works?
    Is that in Locke’s famous chapter on “Being Considerate”?

    “In terms of mandating and “recommending” – this is like recommending that people don’t smoke in restaurants. Yep”

    Eh, nope- there is a world of difference between ordering a minority of people NOT to do something and mandating that everyone must DO something.

    • It is mandating a majority – NONE of them can smoke in a restaurant.

      And it came about because a minority would not agree to not engage in behaviors that might harm others.

      That’s how laws that apply to everyone – get created.

      To stop the speeders, everyone has to follow the law on speed limits.

    • Yes, thats how it works. Its a matter of respecting others life, liberty and property. Another’s life is not yours to abuse. If you refuse to be considerate of others, don’t be surprised when they complain to the regulators. It doesn’t even take a majority, just a vocal minority.

      Everytime you act like a self absorbed jerk, you whittle our rights away.

  27. Go Figure:

    “For some reason, the WHO still says you probably shouldn’t wear a mask, by Timothy P. Carney| May 29, 2020 09:45 AM

    In the United States, face masks are required in more and more places as part of the fight against the coronavirus. Many stores require them. Some governors are telling people they must wear a mask, even outdoors. Some journalists love scolding pedestrians and politicians who don’t wear them.

    Meanwhile, the World Health Organization, which has generally been incompetent during this outbreak, possibly because of the organization’s coziness with the Chinese regime, is giving very different advice. Basically, the WHO says asymptomatic people shouldn’t wear masks in most cases.

    “WHO only recommends the use of a mask in specific cases. If you have cough, fever, and difficulty breathing, you should wear a mask and seek medical care. If you do not have these symptoms, you do not have to wear masks because there is no evidence that they protect people who are not sick.”

    The exception, the WHO says, is for healthy people caring for people who have been infected with the coronavirus. …”

    For more, see Washington Examiner at:

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/for-some-reason-the-who-still-says-you-probably-shouldnt-wear-a-mask?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Beltway+Confidential&utm_term=PostUp+Opens&utm_content=20200529141706

  28. My predication a few articles ago was wrong. The Tattletail line for reporting violations of the mask order is a 1-877 number, not 1-800.

  29. Now, to be fair, the official FAQ on EO63 states business will not responsible for enforcing patrons to wear masks (just employees), but are allowed to turn away patrons that aren’t wearing masks.

    Customers can also complain about business whose patrons are violating the order, to the above reference 877 number.

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