| HB 30 Appropriations Total As Introduced | |||
| Year | Grand Total ($Billions) | % Over Previous | % Over 2010 |
| 2010 | 77 | ||
| 2012 | 86 | 12 | 12 |
| 2014 | 97 | 13 | 26 |
| 2016 | 109 | 12 | 42 |
| 2018 | 116 | 7 | 51 |
| 2020 | 139 | 20 | 81 |
The 20% Growth Claim Is Not Misleading
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16 responses to “The 20% Growth Claim Is Not Misleading”
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Steve,
How again did you get 20% budget growth? The Caboose bill 2018-20 total appropriations are $124,096,320,640 and the 2020-22 biennium introduced bill is $138,786,909,630. This is 11.8% two-year growth. GF growth is even lower – $44,738,241,123 for 2018-20 and $48,216,509,263 for 2020-22 or 7.8% growth over two years.
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Jim, welcome. Dick now has called in reinforcements! I’m comparing introduced HB 30 cycle over cycle. I’ve been clear all along I’m talking about the entire, 2-year appropriation, general and non-general funds combined, in the introduced bill.
Students, he forced me to continue the lesson. This is a two year cycle, but as each General Assembly adopts a budget for the future, it also adopts a bill making adjustments to the year underway. This in common parlance is the caboose bill, always HB 29 and SB 29. Jim is again doing that apple and orange thing, in my opinion, by citing the caboose bill. It just shows that the growth I’m pointing to happens gradually, not all at once. Indeed it does. He is also moving between the general fund and the combined total, when I’m sticking with the combined total.
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I, too, welcome Jim. I did not call him in, but I’m glad he is chiming in.
One way of looking at this is to use the example of compounded interest. The interest earned gets rolled into the principal and is then the interest rate is applied to the new larger principal. The new interest due is more than what would have been if the interest rate had been applied to the previous principal amount. The same thing happens to budgets. Changes to the introduced 2018 introduced bill, those made in the 2018 and 2019 sessions, are in the base that was used to construct the 2020 bill. Unless one is going to pull those changes out, they get counted when comparing the size of the introduced 2018 and 2020 bills.
So, yes, unquestionably, spending will have increased 20% between the 2018 introduced bill and the end of fiscal 2022, which is the second year of the proposed budget bill. But the introduced 2020 budget will not have been responsible for the initiation of all that increase.
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The largest chunk of nongeneral funds are university tuition and fees, hospital revenue and federal funds including the medicaid match. I have no quarrel with how fast those have grown.
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No quarrel? Good to know. Some disagree, I expect. I’ll leave that to the rest of the Usual Suspects.
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You have quarrel with how fast university tuition & fees have grown?
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I do believe the topic has come up in this forum from time to time. ๐
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The 20% thing is designed to be a “taxpaying grab your wallet” type message though and when we don’t have the specifics that make it up nor a number that shows how much taxpayers will actually be affected – it’s just so much trumpet blather.
What I suspect is that taxpayers won’t be affected that much because a lot of the revenues are already built in – primarily from Federal pass-through money and the increases that occurred from conformity.
See, this is all about trying to pin this on Northam – as if he did it himself with his budget that he is actually proposing significantly higher taxes taxpayers. But you don’t see that headline: “Northam proposes tax increases”. Instead what you see is “Budget grows 20%”
tsk tsk more partisan tom foolery
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Help, I’m trapped in another one of those Monty Python sketches. I know I’ve won this argument. Moving on…
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I don’t see anything wrong in Steve’s math. The most important thing when calculating growth over time is using like to like data points. He did that. If you introduce the caboose bill on one data point, you break that.
Dick’s compound interest analogy is explanatory. It is akin to how interest on the debt has become such a large part of the federal budget over time. It is fair to say earlier actions and actors share some of the responsibility. But if you focus on only that, you will lose sight of the key question: should we be OK with 20% biennial growth in spending on all state programs at a time when inflation is at a historically low 2% per year?
For me the answer is no. The non-general fund growth is driven by items like health care and higher education where, although they have been much discussed on this board, no progress has been made to address a 40+ year trend of growth that is multiples of the overall rate of inflation. The general fund budget contains “progressive” items that will become the compound interest Dick refers to in his post. Today’s dessert is tomorrow’s plaque build up in the arteries.
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Izzo –
I have long stood in awe of your wizardly with the numerical arts, but until now was quite unaware of your deft mastery of human vascular systems as they be related to dentistry. Very impressive. A triple doctorates program at Johns Hopkins perhaps?
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“Todayโs dessert is tomorrowโs plaque build up in the arteries.” Someday, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow, I will steal that one.
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What I meant about “no quarrel” is that I agree with you Steve that tuition and fees and health care costs have risen very fast and that is reflected in the growth rates of nongeneral funds in the state budget. My comment was not a value judgement on those program increases. We clearly need to get a handle on the cost increases in health care and higher education. This is why I don’t get involved online often – too many misunderstandings on what people really mean.
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This medium does require careful word selection at times….but your input is welcome any time.
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I appreciate you coming back on this issue. A bit of reassurance can often make world of positive difference, erasing what otherwise might be construed as indifference at best.
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I pay attention when I’m accused of being “misleading.” First step is to go back and check my work. Since I did it, I shared it. I never want to be misleading (not by accident, anyway.)
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