Law and Disorder in Richmond

Protest in front of Kim Gray’s house Wednesday night

When several dozen protesters assembled in front of Richmond City Councilwoman Kimberly Gray’s house around 10:30 Wednesday night, she feared for her safety. She called the Richmond Police Department, as did some of her neighbors. Gray says the police never responded. The RPD says it did.

“I didn’t see any uniformed officers, my neighbors didn’t see any uniformed officers, my professional security force did not see any uniformed officers, no blue lights, no marked police cars arrived,” Gray told WRIC News.

As it happens, Gray is a candidate for mayor, running against incumbent Levar Stoney and several lesser-known candidates. As a city councilwoman, she has been one of Stoney’s most vocal critics. An African-American, she voted for removal of the Confederate statues on Monument Avenue but has disapproved of law-breaking by protesters.

The RPD told the television station that police had monitored the protest, which began around 7 p.m. on the edge of downtown and moved into the Jackson Ward neighborhood in the evening. “As the protesters traveled throughout Jackson Ward,” the police acknowledged, “the group grew in number and the volume of their protesting increased.”

Around 10:35 the RPD emergency communications received calls from Gray and other Jackson War residents concerning the protest. According to WTVR, some in the crowd threatened to burn down her house. Some were carrying assault rifles.

“Officers were dispatched and established telephone contact with the councilwoman,” said the police statement. “They advised her throughout the protest in front of her home.”

The police lieutenant in command advised Gray to go inside her home. According to Gray, “They said, These aren’t people coming to dialogue. They already have bats and shields in hand and we think they’re coming to cause you harm.'”

The lieutenant told Gray there was a police plane circling above. “Gray said, “If someone opens fire on my home, there’s nothing that airplane can do to protect me or my family.”

The protesters dispersed after 15 to 20 minutes, depending on whose account is believed.

According to Gray, RPD Police Chief Gerald Smith later told her, “Their strategy is to not engage because they said they (the protesters) are looking for opportunities to provoke the police and have altercations. I don’t agree with that philosophy. I think that when people come aggressively, in an intimidating and threatening way, to anyone’s home, that the police should respond appropriately.”

Gray expressed disappointment that no citations were given out Wednesday night. Under Virginia law, it is a misdemeanor to picket or assemble in a manner that disrupts a peoples’ right to tranquility in their homes. Eleven people were arrested last month when militants demonstrated in front of Richmond Commonwealth’s Attorney Colette McEachin’s home.

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75 responses to “Law and Disorder in Richmond

  1. James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Maybe if Gray pledges to back the blue in her campaign she might get a better response from the police department.

  2. Sounds like Benito Stoney has learned how to use a combination of useful idiots and selective use of the police to intimidate his opponents. I’m sure the police understand how any active defense of Stoney’s opponents could cause a confrontation which results in charges being brought against the police involved.

  3. It happened Wednesday night. It was all over WRVA Thursday, and reported on TeeVee. The newspaper of record got around to it this morning…..although somebody interviewed Gray Thirsday, it wrote. At least it finally made the paper…(with a referral insert to a story about how much money Stoney has raised…)

  4. Again, the only people who actually purchase the daily newspaper are older white families. I say that as someone who has talked to a director at Alden. The stats are: Depending on the market, 60-75% of daily newspaper subscriptions of papers that Alden owns are held by whites over the age of 65.

    Obviously, these people are very conservative. Yet daily newspapers now do their absolute best to alienate their readership by skewing hard left. RTD will not be around in 5 years. I’d give less than 3 years to the other dailies in VA.

    • Not all the subscribers are very conservative.

      • True. I’m not very conservative (though I’m also not over 65). But, I’ve also advised many businesses throughout my life. I’ve never seen anything like the turn daily newspapers are taking right now. Sure, you ultimately want to expand your customer base. But when your business model is in free fall, the last thing you want to do is alienate your existing customers. If they leave, you won’t have the revenue to stick around and try to attract new customers.

        Daily newspapers should be skewing moderate right at this moment. But instead, they are all taking a left turn. Is it straight into the ditch?

        • In the “market place of ideas” world – if it’s true that papers are headed to oblivion because they’re liberal – WHERE are the Conservative replacements?

          Conservatives complain mightily about liberal newspapers but not to the point where actual Conservative newspapers compete. Nope – their response is right-wing blogs that promote conspiracy theories and worse – … out the wazoo…

          • I don’t think there will be conservative replacements. Newspapers are just going to die. If you’re on the Left and want a newspaper, you can buy NYT. If you’re on the right, WSJ. Those will be the only two printing by 2030.

          • They’ll do Nationa/World news and the NYT will do regional news also and I think WaPo will survive.

            and like Mark Twain – I think the predicted death of “news” is well exaggerated.

            We’ll still want news – and those that do will have to pay for it.

            and the blogosphere and social media will become the “go to” for those who don’t want to pay and that will includes sites that promote false things and conspiracy theories.

            “A Post investigation identified Adam Rahuba, 38, as the organizer of a purported event to burn U.S. flags at Gettysburg National Military Park. Hundreds of armed right-wingers flocked to the site to disrupt the event. It was a hoax.”

            These false claims circulated widely on social media and on Internet message boards. They were often amplified by right-wing commentators and covered as real news by media outlets such as Breitbart News and the Gateway Pundit.

            Rahuba has a long history of provocative online commentary, including a website he created years ago that made light of 9/11. A self-described democratic socialist and supporter of former presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, Rahuba said he antagonizes far-right extremists mostly for his own amusement.

            “I’ve found myself very annoyed with the rise of right-wing populism,” he said. “So I thought I’d do my own thing to push back against them.”

            Rahuba laughed when asked whether he considered himself a member of antifa.

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/07/17/gettysburg-antifa-flag-burning-troll/?arc404=true

  5. Similar stuff going on in Fredericksburg. Protestors around the Mayors house said she had “lied” and around the City Managers house because they believe he ordered the police to tear gas protestors.

    Did not hear if they had guns but property was vandalized.

    Does the First and Second Amendments allow one to stand in front of someone’s house and shout and wave guns? Pretty soon the 2A folks will show up to “protect”, eh?

    There you go – “Both Sides” and “fine people” !

    • Two wrongs always make a right in the world of the left….But Trump said something stupid once so don’t blame us. You can’t defend this behavior with a straight face, Larry. If a crowd with rebel flags and guns was shouting outside a black candidate’s house at late hours, arrests would certainly follow. And should.

  6. They picketed in front of her house, as was their right. They also have a right to carry guns in public. It seems to me that the new police chief is following the right strategy of not directly engaging the demonstrators, because that is what they want. If she was in contact with a police lieutenant throughout the incident, that was response and they were monitoring the situation closely.

    She doesn’t approve not engaging. I wonder what her attitude was when the police were battling demonstrators in the streets and tear-gassing peaceful protestors.

  7. One more time. The police are under no legal obligation to protect people or property. Unless a crime is being committed then there’s no reason for them to respond.

    • So said the German cops in the early 30s? I don’t know the city ordinances on disturbing the peace or parading without a permit. Hands off was probably correct tactically. But no question this was pure political intimidation. The threat of violence was clear.

      • Sounds like another opportunity for those unmarked vans … maybe RIchmond will get their allotment?

      • We have conclusively entered Weimar Republic territory. This include local government sanctioned street violence and intimidation of political opponents. Now, this street violence is now plainly sanctioned by Virginia’s Government im power, as it was started in Charlottesville, Virginia in summer of 2107, leaving a dysfunctional city, Charlottesville, in its wake. Now the street violence has spread to Virginia’s capital, Richmond, where it rampages day after day, again without government intervention. Likely we are beyond the point of peaceful return.

        • I do not approve of people picketing politicians’ homes or neighborhoods. But, she was not the first. Mayor Stoney’s apartment building was picketed last month; some demonstrators even got through the front door.

          But, from the newspaper article I read, your allusion to Weimar is pretty far-fetched. Tthere was no violence–no one was assaulted, no private property was damaged. So, I am not sure what laws, if any, were broken or if anyone could have been arrested. She said herself that she was in contact with a police lieutenant who provided her updates on the protestors. Her complaint was that “no blue lights showed up and no blue uniforms.” I have a feeling that, if they had, there would have been some genuine violence right in front of her house and her children would have been even more frightened.

          • Sounds a little like “get off my lawn”! Call the cops to remove these protestors.

            So – if she’s elected – she’d use the police to clear protestors?

            If you worry about Radicals on your lawn – try this:

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            ” Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an American church known for its use of inflammatory hate speech, especially against LGBT+ people, Catholics, Orthodox Christians, atheists, Muslims, Jews, U.S. soldiers and politicians.[4][5] Multiple sources describe it as a hate group[6] and the WBC is monitored as such by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center. The church has been involved in actions against gay people since at least 1991, when it sought a crackdown on homosexual activity at Gage Park six blocks northwest of the church.[7] In addition to conducting anti-gay protests at military funerals, the organization pickets celebrity funerals and public events.[8] Protests have also been held against Jews and Catholics, and some protests have included WBC members stomping on the American flag or flying the flag upside down on a flagpole. The church also has made statements such as “thank God for dead soldiers,” “God blew up the troops,” and “God hates America.”[9] “

          • Reed Fawell 3rd

            Photo and First sentence of post tells its all. Thugs achieved mission completely, given cops hid, never showed. So thugs got run of city streets of Richmond day and night. Likely folks, women particularly, now hide at home at night, do out alone without personal security guards, and free speech by all, including politicians destroyed in Richmond. A disaster looms, and everybody cheers, or stays silent and afraid. It’s a totalitarian state now, or inches from it, Weimar is apt indeed.

      • Steve,

        Of the 3 major candidates….I’d probably say Gray is the most “pro-police”. Why would they consciously allow her to be intimidated?

        • I said that tactically, it was probably best to not engage. And their orders were probably to not engage. What do we give this chief…90 days tops?

          • One of the “new” issues that the police are having to deal with is the use of cell phones to organize protests – quickly and on the fly and the video capability of the same phone.

            So one guy can use a cell and social media to organize a large group to a particular site AND if the police show up and there are interactions – the protestors can call in more activists quickly.

            In the meantime – some in the group will purposely engage the police trying to get them to respond and get it on film then that video is then circulated to other activists and the media.

            So for the police – right now – such interactions can actually harm them in the eyes of the public when they see what appear to be inappropriate force used by the police in these videos.

            Right now, the police are flummoxed by the use of technology by the activists… and having to re-think how they handle gatherings of activists as their every move is “on tape”.

      • The cops were in on Chrystal Nacht.

    • Didn’t Northam tell business operators to call the police if unmasked patrons refused to leave the property?

      Maybe Gray should have called the Health Department

      • yeah but Antifas are not “patrons”. I suspect most Dem states will get those unmarked vans to “help” them with leftists the Governor won’t deal with.
        😉

      • So its OK for antify to not wear masks at Wal-Mart. Got it! Now I can either assume the unmasked patron is either disabled, or they are antify who apprently aren’t subject to Trespassing.

        Should make it easy for your government agents to round up

        • Well, I think if you are Antifa – mask or not – you’ll get special attention from the unmarked vans…for sure….

          From what I see – virtually everyone is complying with the mask thing. farmers market, Walgreens, 7-11, Walmart.. subway…

          The “anti-mask” folks have apparently slunk into the shadows..

          • You seem to know something Larry. Are you driving an unmarked van?

          • most everyone drives “unmarked” vehicles. right?

            but they unusually don’t go around grabbing folks off the street that they “suspect” of “something” secret police style.

    • So, if this were to happen at your house or mine, and things escalated and there was a true threat to the lives of our family, who is responsible for our protection?

      • Not the police. SCOTUS HAS RULED. Ultimately, you’re responsible. There is no seeking recourse because the police fail to protect you and yours.

      • Well, she had “professional security” – a lot more than more have.

        But a question back at you – are people allowed to exercise their first amendment rights on public streets?

        Serious question. Don’t they have to get permits?

  8. Eric the Half a Troll

    When does someone shift from private citizen to public persona…?

  9. The protesters are smart. They know just how far they can push low-level violence without sparking a police crackdown or public backlash. They use vandalism, personal assaults, loud demonstrations, threats, and the carrying of weapons to intimidate people. In Richmond, they have intimidated Mayor Stoney, the Commonwealth Attorney, Councilwoman Gray by demonstrating near their residences. They have intimidated restaurant owners who have voiced support for the police. And they have intimidated homeowners who live near the Lee Statue. They have perfected the art of taunting and provoking police, then filming incidents when the police react. They edit the video to eliminate context (the provocations) and they then pose as victims. It’s a very sophisticated operation.

    • All the more reason for the police to wear body cams – and for the police to also video the proceedings.

      But you’re funny in a way – are they exercising their “rights” or not and does that mean that they can use those “rights” to intimidate ?

      Is that what the 2A folks were doing in Richmond earlier ?

      Is that what the White Supremacists do in places like Cville?

      Both sides ? very fine folks?

    • To what end? Other than terrorizing a few blocks in a few cities, devaluing and running people out their own neigborhoods, what are they going to do on election day? Voter intimidation?

      • Were you around during the 60’s protests? deja vu? all over again?

        I’ll not defend them but they do exist for a reason.

        • Enlighten me Larry. What’s the reason? What’s the End Game? When do the mobs go home? How long do the rest of us put up with it?

          • Were you around for the 60’s protests? How about the race riots after the King assassination? Kent State?

            How about the “mobs” in Cville or the 2A “mobs” in Richmond?

    • James Wyatt Whitehead V

      All part of Antifa Training 101. They really don’t like snitches either.

  10. “I think that we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard”- MLK 1966. We’ve got some problems to address, and until addressed this type of thing will continue. I don’t think anyone who reads this blog truly wants a police state with Stasi agents keeping everyone in check. Please consider that this may seem like a good idea when controlling thee, but it wouldn’t b pleasant if they then turned on me.

    I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, and maybe have come upon some ideas to help folks get through this. Please consider the following.

    First for folks on the right- there is a discrepant outcome for black folks. Regardless of the reason, are you OK with that? For the purpose of this argument, please don’t concern yourselves with the reason for those discrepant outcomes for a few seconds, just consider the idea that black folks don’t have it as good as white folks on average. Does that concern you at all?

    Second, for folks on the left- has all of your finger pointing at the right and accusations of racism helped solve the situation? Right, wrong, or indifferent, many folks on the right have a different definition of racism. Their definition typically includes the idea of intent to do something bad to someone and doesn’t include necessarily bad outcomes alone. Is it more important that we work together to fix the outcomes, or is it more important for folks on the right to claim their racism? There is a chance for the former, but not the latter in my opinion, because the two sides can’t agree on a common definition of the term.

    So, what shall we do moving forward? Continue the tribal insanity that has brought all of this about, or begin working with our fellow human beings to solve actual problems?

    • You make valid points but the action outside Mrs. Gray’s house was not a riot, but a conscious, coordinated and intentional act of intimidation. The fact that they went away after making their terrifying point helps prove that. “We know where you live…we know where your kids are.”

      • Got it, and I don’t doubt that some in the crowd had those very intentions. I hold the rule of law very dear, and I believe that we disregard it at our peril. However, we’re spending an inordinate amount of time discussing the symptom while the root cause of the problem hasn’t even been thoroughly diagnosed in a manner that folks find agreeable. It seems to me as if two doctors are standing in a pool of blood while arguing over which medicine will better help bring the patient’s fever under control.

    • James Wyatt Whitehead V

      Mr. Hurt they keep moving the bar. I do not think this protest can be satisfied. There is no end game. No clearly defined goal. Chaos has an empty stomach that cannot be filled.

    • The WSJ made a good point this weekend: you cannot “un-” anything in real life. We don’t have time machines to travel backwards and “un-” something.

      So, you’re right, moving forward is the only option we have. However…

      The right will oppose moving forward if it requires tax increases. And, let’s be honest, the only way to truly alleviate some (not all), but some of the inequities in our society is through public sector intervention. And that intervention will cost money in the form of taxes.

      The left will oppose moving forward if it requires institutions. The left has made destruction of institutions its 21st century mission. And, again, the only true way out of these problems is going to require institutions. Individual actions will not be enough.

    • Matt Hurt: “I think that we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard”- MLK 1966. We’ve got some problems to address, and until addressed this type of thing will continue.” End Quote.
      ————–

      On the other hand Martin Luther King, Jr, said:
      “From the very beginning there was a philosophy undergirding the Montgomery boycott, the philosophy of nonviolent resistance … nonviolent resistance is not a method of cowardice. It does resist… (but) is nonaggressive physically (and) is strongly aggressive spiritually … the nonviolent resister does not seek to humiliate or defeat the opponent but to win his friendship and understanding … the aftermath of violence is bitterness. The aftermath of nonviolence is reconciliation and the creation of a beloved community… so … the nonviolent resister seeks to attack the evil system rather than individuals who happen to be caught up in the system.

      … The struggle is rather between justice and injustice, … so (the struggle) not only avoids external violence or external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. And so at the center of our movement stood the philosophy of love.

      … God grant that as men and women all over the world struggle against evil systems they will struggle with love in their hearts, with understanding good will … But there are some things within our social order to which I am proud to be maladjusted and to which I call upon you to be maladjusted. I never intend to adjust myself to segregation and discrimination. I never intend to adjust myself to mob rule. I never intend to adjust myself to the tragic effects of the methods of physical violence and to tragic militarism. I call upon you to be maladjusted to such things …

      The wisdom, practice and leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King is sorely needed today.

      See: Fewer Young People, More Geezers Working These Days Posted on December 21, 2017 at:
      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/41590-2/

      • James Wyatt Whitehead V

        One of my favorite MLK speeches Mr. Reed. I think this line resonates with me in particular.

        “the nonviolent resister does not seek to humiliate or defeat the opponent but to win his friendship and understanding … ”

        This is the part that is no longer understood and denies the language of possibility to everyone.

        • Yes, but it’s important to understand that no all black people thought King’s approach was right:

          Late 1967 to early 1968
          Chronology

          July 1967: United Front Against Fascism conference held in Oakland.

          August 1967: The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) initiates its program “COINTELPRO” to “neutralize . . . black nationalist hate groups”.

          October 28, 1967: Huey Newton allegedly kills police officer John Frey. There are fewer than one hundred Party members.

          Early Spring 1968: Eldridge Cleaver’s Soul on Ice published.

          April 4, 1968: Martin Luther King assassinated. Riots break out nationwide.

          April 6, 1968: A team of Panthers led by Eldridge Cleaver ambushes Oakland police officers. Panther Bobby Hutton killed.

          This was more than 50 years ago – and black folks now see videos of themselves being killed by police and ask – how long does change take?

          Martin Luther King was a non-violent man – yes – and he was investigated by the FBI – and was called a communist…

          we – all of us – need to maintain a true historical context on this.

          The black man does not agree with the white man as to what has changed and whether it’s enough.

          And the thing is, today, there are white folks who strenuously disagree as to the current status of race relations in this country.

          It’s not easy -and it’s really sad – but the truth is – we’ve not fixed the problem and now we’re divided more than every about it.

          • James Wyatt Whitehead V

            MLK was near obsolete by 1968. Non violent passive resistance did not sell well to a younger, militant, and angry membership in the civil rights movement. Your chronology illustrates this. MLK was from an older generation steeped in the conservative Baptist church. My bet is MLK would be a Republican if he were alive today. I heard MLK’s daughter Bernice speak in college. Had a chance to talk to her after the speech. I was struck by how conservative her views were. I remember asking her about the influence of her views. She replied it was her father and grandfather.

          • I don’t think MLK and family were “conservative” on the treatment of blacks – what it was is that they tended to try’ to be polite and not push would-be white supporters away. There are some MLK writings that are not so “polite”. eg. ” Three major evils—the evil of racism, the evil of poverty, and the evil of war. These are the three things that I want to deal with today. Now let us turn first to the evil of racism. There can be no gainsaying of the fact that racism is still alive all over America. Racial injustice is still the Negro’s burden and America’s shame. And we must face the hard fact that many Americans would like to have a nation which is a democracy for white Americans but simultaneously a dictatorship over black Americans. We must face the fact that we still have much to do in the area of race relations.”

            Be that as it may – the chart below tells us how black folks feel today – 52 years later and no matter what MLK did or did not do – this is the reality today that we have to deal with if we are serious about doing something about it.

          • James Wyatt Whitehead V

            Good thoughts Mr. Larry. I thought this chart is interesting. 2020 will reveal which direction black voters want to head towards. I hope we can move the needle this time around.
            https://blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics/

          • Looks like a decent organization.

            I’m struck by this chart:

            What does the GOP need to do – to get their share of these votes?

      • Yes sir, I wholeheartedly agree with all of that. However, until we can get a grasp of this problem, I suspect that we will continue to deal with folks who a dealing with it in non-productive ways. Just because some folks make bad decisions about how to deal with it does not mean that the issue should not be addressed. If we continue to ignore the problem, they’ll continue to remind us about it in ways we would rather they wouldn’t.

        • Here is one experts view of the matter under discussion:

          In this 36 minute podcast below Shelby Steele answers that question as he explains his book “Shame: How America’s Past Sins Have Polarized Our Country.”

          • Yes sir, I watch him, Larry Elder, and others as well, but unfortunately the protesters and rioters haven’t. Nor would the likely agree with his sentiments. Therein lies the rub. So the way I see it we can either enforce law and order by busting heads, or address the root problems. The former will certainly cause more unrest.

          • here’s some more of that nasty left wing MSM:

            A TRIO OF SENSIBLE THINKERS ON THE SUBJECT OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

            All three of these luminaries have been writing about affirmative action and why it has become a bad word in American society-a high-sounding synonym for the quota system. Affirmative action started out as a good idea: Take extra pains to recruit members of minorities for jobs and schools lest they be overlooked or discriminated against. Now it has become a rank form of discrimination itself. And it may have hurt most those it set out to help-by branding them as incapable of competing without special favors.

            Thomas Sowell saw it coming as early as 1970. ”I predicted back then,”

            he recalls, ”that when these programs failed, the conclusion would be not that they are half-baked programs, but that blacks just don`t have it.” Sure enough, affirmative action has become a euphemism for reverse discrimination.

            https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1990-09-07-9003150306-story.html

          • Reed Fawell 3rd

            “So the way I see it we can either enforce law and order by busting heads, or address the root problems.”

            What do you view as the root problems? And how do you advise we address them?

          • “What do you view as the root problems? And how do you advise we address them?”

            That’s a very good question, and short answer, I don’t know for sure. I know we have disparate outcomes, but that in itself doesn’t tell us what the causes are. I would recommend folks from all sides of the issue who can agree to approach the issue objectively and with mutual respect lock themselves in a room until they can come to consensus on those root causes. I also recommend that this not be recorded or televised so there will be no opportunities to selectively edit gotcha soundbites afterwards. If it can be done in a day, great. If it takes weeks, so be it.

            I imagine that this process would begin with the statement of the fact- there is disparate outcomes. Then, different participants would trace the problem back to the roots. I would bet big money that there is no one thing, but a variety of complicated issues. I similarly believe the solution will not be a big silver bullet, but working to solve a the variety of the issues that are uncovered.

            I bet the outcome of this process would not be a slam dunk for Democrats or Republicans, because I suspect that both sides of the aisle have forwarded policies which have exacerbated this issue.

  11. From Jim Bacon’s post …

    The police lieutenant in command advised Gray to go inside her home. According to Gray, “They said, These aren’t people coming to dialogue. They already have bats and shields in hand and we think they’re coming to cause you harm.’”

    Now, either that’s true or it’s not. If true, the police failed to visibly show up on a scene where they believed a crowd was coming to do a political candidate physical harm. Instead they observed from a plane. They failed to provide a police presence because they were afraid of triggering the crowd. Apparently in modern Richmond it is better to send the coroner’s van tomorrow than the police tonight.

    If the police really thought the “protesters” intended to do Mrs Gray harm they should have visibly shown up. If things remained peaceful they could have merely observed. However, if thing became violent (as they apparently expected), they would have been on the scene to intervene.

    What options do the law abiding citizens of Richmond have? Either maintain a small home armory to defend themselves or move out. Oh, there is a third option – prepare to take a ride in the back of that coroner’s van when it shows up tomorrow morning after the “protesters” have moved on.

  12. James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Interesting that the Richmond Police had the situation covered from the air. Mrs. Gray was completely protected from dive bombers, torpedo planes, and harpoon missiles. I wonder what the cost of flying that plane versus using a drone would be?

  13. re: ” If the police really thought the “protesters” intended to do Mrs Gray harm ”

    hold what you got, the Feds are on the way……….

  14. Just to keep some perspective – This is a “protestor” a few years back:

    His name was Lewis and he was being disorderly and refused to obey the officers to get off state property.

    • James Wyatt Whitehead V

      Iconic photograph. The Selma to Montgomery episode is a great American history story and Mr. Lewis played a significant role. Don’t forget the memory of Reverend James Reeb. Without his sacrifice the Selma to Montgomery March would have dissipated.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Reeb

      • Interesting and timely photograph.

        Are not the rolls of the players today in that photo significantly reversed? Does this not guarantee for us and our children a terrible ending, just as Martin Luther King warned us? And before him, just as Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglas warned us.

        • Well they beat the tar out of Lewis and killed others with him and now 50 years later they’re killing blacks by putting their knees on their necks – and others are blathering about law & order…..

          reversed roles? looks the same… beat and kill black folks then worry about law and order after…and fret about that false “oppression” narrative….

        • “Are not the rolls of the players today in that photo significantly reversed?”

          Government sanctioned and chronic chaos, anarchy, lawlessness, and intimidation, now reign in numerous major American cities. It is shutting down large portions of those cities, using tactics just as threatening as the heinous tactics at the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Alabama.

          Why?

          Because today’s tactics are far more powerful, pervasive, and long lasting, spreading damage and dysfunction from coast to coast, north to south, throughout America, rendering dysfunctional entire cities, and slowly crippling the entire nation. Most of it is sanctioned by local governments controlling those cities, and far too often supported by state and national political forces that seek to control the entire nation, by the use of this violence and chaos.

          Unless this lawlessness and violence is reversed, we are witnessing the start of a collapse akin to late 18th century French Revolution, this time during our times in North America.

  15. and yet another memorial that probably won’t come down:

    thanks James – you made me go and refresh my memory!

    • James Wyatt Whitehead V

      The brass plaque has a major design flaw. They clear coat those and the sun’s UV rays cause the clearcoat to peel off. The brass is just a coating. Cheap steel under that. So this memorial will not weather well at all. They should have spent a few more sheckles for a nicer plaque cast in solid bronze. I always thought the S.D. Freeman markers all of the state are good example of monuments that stand the test of time. They were erected back in the 1920s.
      https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=4437

      • Well.. perhaps it will get re-done or a new and better one but I have to say I like it’s style better than heroic men on horses… though one has to give credit – the were, in one sense, made to stand the test of time – physically.

  16. Shelby Steele had an interesting childhood. His mother was white and worked for CORE and his father was active in the civil rights movement which Shelby wanted no part of:

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/literature-and-arts/journalism-and-publishing-biographies/shelby-steele

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