Fight the Machine, File for an Exemption!

by James A. Bacon

The Young Americans for Liberty chapter at Virginia Tech delivered a petition with about 500 signatures urging the university to end a policy requiring students to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 to take classes in the fall, reports The Center Square.

“This arbitrary order is a blatant violation of the students’ rights to medical freedom,” said Ian Escalante, a YAL regional director. “It is time for us to set the government school system straight, and let them know that they will not be controlling our students.”

Virginia Tech had no response to the petition other than to refer to a previous statement by President Timothy Sands: “During the past two semesters, we weathered significant surges in COVID-19 cases in Blacksburg. We did this through robust testing, self-quarantine, masking, and physical distancing. We must do everything possible to avoid repeating the challenges of the last 14 months. … It is essential that every student who can be vaccinated, is vaccinated.”

No, it is not essential that every student be vaccinated. COVID-19 survivors don’t need to be vaccinated. That suggests to me that there might be a more effective way to fight the bureaucratic machinery at Virginia Tech (and other universities) than petitioning to abolish the vaccination requirement altogether.

There is a delicate balancing act between safeguarding the public good while respecting individuals’ rights. University policies should strive to find the optimal trade-off between the two.

I have yet to see an argument for requiring COVID-19 survivors from getting the vaccination. Naturally acquired immunities are likely just as effective and long-lasting as resistance acquired from vaccinations. That point has not been “proven” in FDA-sanctioned, randomized, double-blind clinical trials. But, then, neither have any of the vaccinations that have been approved under Emergency Use Authorization.

Reasonable people can agree that COVID survivors should be exempt from the blanket decrees. As it happens, Tech does provide exemptions based on sincerely held religious beliefs or medical reasons. Here is the form for Tech’s Certification of Medical Exemption.

I got to thinking. Perhaps students with naturally acquired COVID-19 immunities could apply for medical exemptions.

There are demonstrable risks associated with taking COVID-19 vaccines. To be sure, they are very small. But they are non-trivial. As of July 1, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has reported 26,729 adverse events for COVID-19 vaccines. In a population of more than 300 million people, that’s one adverse event per 10,000 people. But the risk to young people who have acquired natural immunities is likewise miniscule.

One can make a reasonable argument that the COVID-19 vaccination would expose a COVID survivor to unnecessary risk while doing nothing to reduce the risk to others.

Perhaps the Young Americans for Liberty should start a movement in which COVID survivors file for medical exemptions. The key is to find physicians who are willing to sign the certifications. I’m willing to bet that hundreds of such physicians can be found across Virginia.

University administrators can ignore petitions. But they can’t ignore their own rules.


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75 responses to “Fight the Machine, File for an Exemption!”

  1. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    If you’re vaccinated then your chances of becoming infected are miniscule. So, why is it necessary to demand vaccinations? College students are adults. If they want to take the chance on becoming infected why is that such a big deal? Everybody at Virginia Tech understands the risks. Why should the government demand that adults who don’t want to get vaccinated (for whatever reason) get vaccinated? The risk accrues to them and others who have decided not to get vaccinated.

    Some people, like the late John Denver, use ultra-light aircraft for fun. There is some minuscule chance the people like Denver will crash into somebody on the ground and kill them. Perhaps we should ban the use of ultra-lights.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      In the most miniscule scenarios – MAYBE – but if you’re at THAT level what say you about BIG planes and things like automobiles that kills peds and bikers all the time?

      Does the government have the “right” to prevent you from serving food if you have a contagious disease?

      What’s the risk? Who might be harmed and if they are the ones at risk, what is the responsibility of the person with the disease?

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    People who were infected by earlier variants of Covid may well be more vulnerable to the latest variant – Delta.

    Bacon makes yet another incorrect statement that the anti-vaxxers insist is true:

    ” I have yet to see an argument for requiring COVID-19 survivors from getting the vaccination. Naturally acquired immunities are likely just as effective and long-lasting as resistance acquired from vaccinations. That point has not been “proven” in FDA-sanctioned, randomized, double-blind clinical trials. But, then, neither have any of the vaccinations that have been approved under Emergency Use Authorization.”

    That’s NOT what the CDC says:

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/faq.html#:~:text=Note%3A%20Vaccination%20is%20recommended%20for,may%20choose%20to%20delay%20vaccination.

    https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid

    People CAN have their own opinions and do but misrepresenting what the CDC is saying is not honest and it seems to be a standard among those who are opponents.

    I believe the science. I don’t think the science is “settled”, much less infallible, but at this point, it’s our best assessment as they continue to develop more information.

    People frustrated with science seem willing to just delude themselves on the issues..or prefer to “believe” others who are “smart people”.

    What Tech and UVA and others are doing is risk mitigation. It is an arguable issue but they ARE going by guidance from the CDC , VDH and other science.

    Hard to attack that, one might think… but if you twist the facts and say science is NOT recommending vaccine for those who had COVID then it’s alice in wonderland indeed. Science IS recommending the vaccine – true.

  3. StarboardLift Avatar
    StarboardLift

    Philosophically, where do we put individual health concerns, public health interests, and libertarian rights? Condo associations now have more leeway to institute smoking bans inside homes, not just in common elements. If you live in a flat next to a smoker, and your health is adversely affected, whose right to property enjoyment triumphs?

    When is skipping a vaccination akin to second-hand smoke? Medical proof (“science”) of damage isn’t a slam-dunk in either situation.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      What if were Ebola? Give it some time. Variant D came from one of the initial two, S or L, and D+ from D. The unvaccinated are more likely to be the source of D++, or something.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      When? When you or your behavior might be considered a risk to others. No? Same idea behind no guns on planes or courtrooms, right?

      1. WayneS Avatar

        No.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Yep. You can’t go on a plane with a gun – why?

          1. WayneS Avatar

            My “no” meant No, the reasoning behind banning guns on planes is NOT the same as the reasoning behind refusing to allow unvaccinated students to attend state universities.

            Like 90+% of the rest of the population, unless I am being physically attacked, I represent no threat to others. So, whether I am carrying a gun or not carrying a gun, my behavior does not represent a risk to others. And yet, we are not allowed to carry guns on planes. By your own definition, the reason behind that rule must be different than that behind the rule regarding vaccinations.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            re: ” unless I am being physically attacked, I represent no threat to others.”

            That’s your opinion. The folks that won’t let you take a gun on an aircraft disagree.

            It’s the same if you want to smoke in a restaurant. Your opinion is you’re not harming others and refuse to not smoke. So then we have laws that take your “rights” . no?

          3. StarboardLift Avatar
            StarboardLift

            The act of carrying the gun is not the hazard, it’s the firing of a gun. But unvaccinated may present unwitting threat? Am I obligated to allow others to do the calculus (the uninformed or differantly abled) on my welfare?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s the act of carrying the gun that introduces the risk of that gun being fired.

            That’s why they won’t let you on the plane.

            So yes, you are obligated if enough others don’t agree with your assessment.

            If there was no rule, how many guns would go on a plane?

            Remember, we did not start out this way. We flew for how many years without that rule but then…. we learned the hard way from experience… ergo the rule.

          5. WayneS Avatar

            It is not the same.

            The mere fact of me having a gun in my possession does no harm to you (or anyone else) whatsoever. None. Zero effect and zero harm. That is not an opinion it is a stone solid fact.

            It is a fact that exhaling smoke in the presence of other people affects those other people. The degree of the effect may be debatable but the fact of the affect is not.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            then why are guns banned from planes if there is “zero effect and zero harm”?

            You may have to lay it out.. I’m not seeing it.

            There’s a difference between what YOU THINK and what others think in terms of risk to them.

            On the smoke. No. The argument from the “pro” folks was that it did not harm others AND that the science was not conclusive at all and maybe wrong – sound familiar.

            The second-hand smoke folks say it is their “right” and risk is anything but demonstrable harm.

          7. WayneS Avatar

            Okay, fine! I’ll make a contribution to the Intentional Obtuseness Relief Fund. I’ll go do it right now, in fact! So stop it. Please.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            No, YOU STOP. the obtuseness is not on my part. We outlaw that smoking, it’s not my opinion nor yours. It’s a fact. And the reason why is folks like you refuse to listen and others take actions to restrict you. If we left it up to you, you’d take a gun on a plane, we know that. If we left it up to you and you smoked, you do it until they outlawed it. we know this.

          9. WayneS Avatar

            If you truly believe the BS you are spouting then you know less than nothing about me, sir.

    3. Brian Leeper Avatar
      Brian Leeper

      I used to live in a townhouse (in Northern Virginia). The neighbor smoked. Due to poor construction quality, I could occasionally smell it in my basement.

      The same house, there was once a strong gust of wind outside. An interior door moved in the breeze. All the windows were closed.

      I think the problem is that the construction workers thought they were building a barn, not a house. They also apparently didn’t believe in nails or caulk.

      And I once ran into a guy who was proud to inform me that when that neighborhood was being built, he was the construction superintendent. Dunning-Kruger at work right there. Bless his heart.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Simple response. “Die suckas!”

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Well, that’s not very likely but it never was. When people figured out that the disease actually has a very LOW mortality rate, especially if under 60 and not obese or diabetic, they decided they were being lied to by the media and their leaders. That’s where the trust broke down. Vaccines are free, readily available, and clearly a better choice than the disease itself. But huge numbers of people have gotten their backs up and Bacon has joined those cheering them on. The chance to crush this is being missed.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        To make odds, one needs data.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        The longer the virus is in the population – the more it mutates – the more it mutates, the more “efficient” it gets about how infectious it is and more people besides just older can be infected.

        THe majority of new infections from the Delta variant are NOT old but younger.

        https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-covid-risk-to-children-kids-2021-6

        Why don’t folks believe the realities?

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Because they have been lied to so often by so many about so much. And not just on this.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Outright lies or not really understanding the science or expecting science to deliver absolute certainty when they themselves don’t know all the answers and give their best assessment – which evolves.

            The reality is that the virus is mutating and science can barely keep up with the changes but that’s not lying.

            Disbelieving the delta variant as much more deadly when science is saying it is – that’s not lying , that’s more like willful ignorance – what else do you really know and from who?

            I just don’t think one can say that science “lies” on a worldwide basis.

            That’s a bridge too far.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Meanwhile, reality intrudes on Larry again …

          https://news.yahoo.com/vaccinated-people-dying-delta-variant-104813911.html

          You can get the Delta variant after being vaccinated and it isn’t killing people under 50 at a significant rate.

          Does UVa and/or Tech require students to get vaccinated against the seasonal flu?

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            No, but there are other things it does require. Polio, Hep B, MMR, etc….

            https://healthcenter.vt.edu/new_student/required_immunizations.html

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            FAR FEWER people who are vaccinated are dying form delta but FAR MORE unvaccinated are much more vulnerable.

            This is a simple thing. The numbers don’t lie but the “anti” folks DO!

            And DJ, weren’t you advocating not restricting people at all and having the older and those with conditions go hide while the younger just went around without restrictions? Wasn’t that you?

  5. WayneS Avatar

    “…administration of immunizing agents may be detrimental to this student’s health.” (emphasis mine)

    That could be said about any immunization for any disease.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    FINALLY! A short pleasant read. No, no, not this article. Ronald Dumbfeld’s obit. I especially like the part where it said, “Former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld dies.”

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Sometimes I very much like the things you post – sometimes not so much.

      Please do not publicly celebrate the death of another person no matter how much you despise them.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It’s not a celebration of his death. It’s the long awaited end to mourning his birth.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          that might be a “poke”, eh?

        2. WayneS Avatar

          Rejoicing in the death of another invites a callousness that even at my most cynical I do not wish to have in my life.

          Although, “I’ll Be Glad When You’re Dead [You Rascal You]” is a pretty good song. I’ve never been able to decide whether I like Cab Calloway’s version or Louis Armstrong’s version better.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Did you feel that way with Saddam? Bin Laden? I admire your compassion. Hate is the gift that poisons the giver.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            I did not mourn their passing, but neither did I throw parties. I won’t try to claim that it’s easy.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            With whips and chains we flayed you,
            By the very Gods that made you,
            You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

          4. WayneS Avatar

            “You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din.”

            I won’t even try to claim that I am always successful in my efforts, so probably not.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I should think in the binary comparison of just us, probably yes. You try.
            But I shouldn’t have been so quick with the Gunga Din reference. I forgot that Kippling has him giving water and comfort to souls in Hell. Not a fate I am suggesting for you, mind you.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      my favorite:

      ” Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don’t know we don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones.[1]”

      true!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        The only true words he ever spoke. Guess he finally knows the unknown now. It’s for moments like this that I wish I believed in Hell.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Maybe it has import for climate change. 😉

  7. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Bacon the Anti-Vaxxer. Wow.

    Anybody paying the least bit of attention knows that the vaccine adverse reaction databases are abused by the anti-vax activists and ZERO credit should be given to the “reported” incidents. The focus should be on proven adverse effects, which are are far less common. A sore shoulder for 24 hours can be “reported.” Total lies can be reported. Citing that is just sloppy, Jim.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/antivaccine-activists-use-government-database-side-effects-scare-public

    I heard Scott Gottlieb on this on CNBC again yesterday. The best medical advice remains that even if you’ve had the disease, there is substantial benefit in getting the vaccine. The one caveat is that for them a single dose probably does the job. The schools are dead on correct. And I suspect the courts have yet to rule on the various lawsuits pending where Person A sues the workplace due to catching COVID from Person B on the premises. You know liability is an issue here.

    Nothing would make the Democrats happier than to have this issue front and center in October. The message from Republicans should be go get the shots before any fall surge. Won’t be, but should….

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Deadlier variants need vectors. If the Republicans lose in the fall, it could be because the 70+% that refused to vaccinate will be busy dying. Hey, works for me.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Between what science says and the govt recommends… these days… some seem hell bent on dying…..yep…

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Do the government and science both say smoking cigarettes is a potentially fatal hazard to your health?

          If so, why are cigarettes still legal?

          Why does Virginia tolerate Altria’s headquarters in Henrico County?

          The world is full of risks that people willingly and stupidly take.

          It is not government’s role to suspend free will in a hopeless quest to create a risk free world.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Are we talking about science or govt or both?

            Do you remember how we got to the Govt warnings? Do you remember how the Cigarette companies perverted science and lied?

            Do you know what the Tobacco settlement is about?

            You say it’s not the govt role to suspend free will.

            Do you know what the controlled substances laws are about?

            Can you buy a bazooka or a stinger missile?

            Your “free will” affects others, can present risks to others and laws and the Constitution DO permit the govt to prohibit things that can harm oneself and others.

            These are facts, not opinions.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Te question isn’t whether you should get vaccinated. You should. The question is whether the government should mandate vaccination. It shouldn’t.

      Adults engage in many risky behaviors from cheeseburgers to cigarettes. I think people should be responsible but I don’t think it’s the government’s job to make them be responsible.

      If you are unvaccinated in a country where anybody who wants to get vaccinated can be vaccinated … who are you putting at risk? Yourself and others who think like you.

      From the CDC … “Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including more than 41,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. This is about one in five deaths annually, or 1,300 deaths every day.”

      Where is your vim and vigor with regard to making cigarettes illegal?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        re: ” The question is whether the government should mandate vaccination. It shouldn’t.”

        and it’s NOT!

        false premise!

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          For the umpteenth time – Virginia Tech and UVa are mere arms of the state government. When they mandate something it is the government doing the mandating.

          Frilly Jim Ryan may not like being considered a state government employee but that’s what he is.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            total BS and really running away from your statement. The govt is NOT “mandating”, no way, shape or form.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            What he means is that no one is requiring these students to attend the university.

            It is a totalitarian form of argument. In general those who use it in one circumstance will not hesitate to rail against it if a right they cherish is being infringed.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I’m glad you’re speaking for DJ… you sure do enough for me! 😉

            It’s not more totalitarian that the govt saying that someone with a communicable disease cannot prepare and serve food.

            or taking away your “right” to drive at whatever speed you want or go through any stoplight you please, or smoke in a restaurant or carry a gun on a plane.

            Your “rights” END where mine begin.

            It’s actually the opposite of countries that don’t have such rules and if it happens to you, too bad.

          4. WayneS Avatar

            I’m not speaking for DJ. You are the one with totalitarian tendencies. I have read your previous argument that the mandate is not really a mandate because no one HAS to go to UVA, so I am able to pass it along.

            The flaw in your most recent comment is that that people who are not vaccinated almost exclusively endanger only themselves – they are not engaging in behavior that actively endangers others.

            If you are allergic to cigarette smoke then someone smoking in public can actively harm you. If you are vaccinated yourself, then an unvaccinated person cannot harm you by not being vaccinated.

            PS – YOU are the one who needs to be reminded that YOUR rights end where others’ rights begin, not I.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            re: ” You are the one with totalitarian tendencies. ”

            here we go again… and YOU are what?

            someone who is not vaccinated and then infects others is not a danger to them?

            How can you say that ? Clearly in a pandemic, that’s exactly how disease does spread. It’s the whole, entire issue of people getting vaccinated so they not only protect themselves, but not endanger others.

            No. Your rights DO END where mine begin and you’re not the one who decides. I don’t trust your opinion on such issues and that’s why we have govt.

            and that’s why the decision about second-hand smoke was NOT the guy who smoked but the folks affected by it.

            It was their “rights” he rejected and refused to consider until the others
            forced him to.

          6. WayneS Avatar

            “here we go again… and YOU are what?”

            I am someone who does not try to dictate to others how they should live their lives.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You confuse “dictating”.

            I support laws and governance decided by elections and majority.

            That’s not totalitarianism at all.

            It’s the way that most developed countries with representative government operate.

            Your “rights” end where my “rights” begin and no better example than weapons on planes or second hand smoke or speed limits or rules that say “no U-turns or no weapons in the courthouse.

            If you want to call that totalitarianism, have at it but I’m not alone in my thinking at all.. pretty sure a majority feel that way.

      2. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        Requiring vaccination runs counter to my Libertarian bent. However, there is a loose parallel in auto insurance here in Florida, a no fault state with the third highest rates in the country. No insurance: you are mandated to have uninsured coverage. Admittedly there are scofflaws who ignore this and have neither. Let’s ignore the question of yes/no for auto inspections, and whether useful.

        If insurance were optional, rates would likely be relatively astronomical for those buying it.

        Seems to me good a idea is for everyone to be vaccinated so maybe, just maybe medical costs for us all might be somewhat lower. Mandated in most cases? Unfortunately, probably yes.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          I thought the Libertarians mantra was “first, do no harm…”

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well maybe. It’s more like: ” I can sue your azz off if you hurt me and you are negligent”.

            Or, if I die, my heirs can….

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Geeze John…. you’re dancing dangerously close to “troll” here… watch your step! 😉

          3. John Harvie Avatar
            John Harvie

            Don’t want to shock you, Larry but I think no drinking of alcohol or texting in an underway auto or boat, mandatory seat belt deployment, auto insurance including UM, and reasonable adherence to speed limits on land and STRICT observance of no wake zones on the water are all good. So have at me…

            Now for the clincher: power boat operators with other than electric propulsion need pass a safety and rules of the road test and be licensed!

            Now I’m way off topic…

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I could not agree more. no shock at all!

            I was just jokingly, referring to the practice here in BR of labeling “troll” for any who vary from the standard conservative liturgy.

            ergo: ” Requiring vaccination runs counter to my Libertarian bent. However, there is a loose parallel in auto insurance here in Florida, a no fault state with the third highest rates in the country. No insurance: you are mandated to have uninsured coverage. ”

            So some folks would argue that it’s their RISK to decide/assume while others argue that your actions can put others at risk no matter what you think.

            yes. agree.

          5. John Harvie Avatar
            John Harvie

            Hippocratic, maybe?

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            NAP.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Good on you! I agree that personal behavior that puts others at risk is not an unlimited “right” just because the guy doing it thinks so!

    3. Robert Taylor Avatar
      Robert Taylor

      “Anti Vaxxer”. Lol. How is that different from screaming “racist!” at anyone who even slightly deviates from the approved official narrative in order to drown out any substantive discussion? Answer: It isn’t. I challenge you to defend the assertion that Mr. Bacon is an “Anti-vaxxer” as that term is commonly understood. Failing that, i would respectfully request that you keep the dialogue more… respectful

  8. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    To get back to the main point of Jim’s post, in theory, the proposal that those who had COVID should not have to be vaccinated is a valid argument. However, the implementation of such a policy would be a nightmare. A certification that one has had COVID? The right-wing would rise up in indignation at the idea of “COVID passport”. How would the university respond to a student asking for an exemption because he had COVID, but was asymptomatic? What about the student who had symptoms, but not serious enough to go to a doctor? Good luck on finding a doctor who sign such a certification. I suppose one could get tested for antibodies and provide certification that he has COVID antibodies in his system. But, if one has to go to all that trouble, why not just get the damn shot?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      short answer – those folks are simply unable to deal with the reality of a pandemic. It’s GOT TO BE someone’s fault and they simply refuse to cooperate. It’s their “right”!

  9. Publius Avatar
    Publius

    OK. A lot of noise here.
    First, as a purely Constitutional matter, the mandates are UnConstitutional. Ever hear of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christian Scientists, Amish, etc?
    Second, they violate the 4th Amendment, or does 50 years of my body, my choice mean the government can now outlaw abortion? Think about it libs…
    It also violates medical privacy with the required reporting. Maybe they can make the kids report unsafe sex.
    Third, it violates Jeffersonian principles of liberty and freedom of religion.
    Fourth, under federal law, you can’t mandate use of an unapproved drug. The federal statute says so!
    Fifth, we can finally get to the medical, which we should never have to get based on the above. The kids are not at risk from Covid. Somehow, the human race survived prior to vaccines. How? They developed immunities like the way the immune system was designed. So, different people have different health profiles and different risk tolerances. Why can’t they make their own decisions? Nothing stops people from getting vaccinated. They may if they wish. But a belief that natural immunity is better is not out of the realm of reasonableness. Nor is a desire to wait and see how the vaccine works and whether it has any unknown effects. Remember thalidomide? Bacon, having written about being vaccinated, might be hard to call an anti-vaxxer. Maybe he sees the liberty issues?
    And VAERS is full of false reports from anti-vaxxers? Really? Was that the government line or the CCP line? Isn’t it equally possible that VAERS is being under-reported? That there is confirmation bias in saying that any reaction can’t be the vaccine – the health system has approved it!
    Let’s get real data, and let’s let people make their own decisions about their best interests. Seriously, the fear and irrationality is hard to take. As is the intentional violation of law and rights, but other than that, I’m ok with trusting the experts who gave us Buck v. Bell…

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      1. Each school allows for religious exemptions.

      2. I am not sure what the Fourth Amendment has to do with it.

      3. The medical privacy laws apply to medical providers. How does the reporting of COVID vaccination violate medical privacy laws when the requirement to certify other vaccinations don’t violate those laws?

      4. According to the Wall Street Journal, the federal govt has said that employers can mandate vaccinations.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/employers-can-require-covid-19-vaccine-under-federal-law-new-guidancestates-11622230319

      And the Dept. of Veterans Affairs is considering mandating it for its hospital employees.

      https://www.militarytimes.com/veterans/2021/07/01/va-may-force-employees-to-get-covid-vaccines/

      1. Publius Avatar
        Publius

        The religious exemption is in name only. Have you read UVA’s? Someone else will judge it. It has to be your “sincerely held religious belief that PRECLUDES vaccination.” And it cannot be based on a philosophical, conscientious or moral objection. But, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the paly?
        4th Amendment is privacy is Roe v Wade etc.
        So, the Healthy Hoos portal is a combination of HIPAA and 4th Amendment. How is it that team trainers are calling athletes, asking where is your vax? This is NOBODY’s business except the patient and the doctor. What is so hard to understand about that?
        THe WSJ article is quoting the EEOC, which of course is never wrong. OSHA has problems with mandates. BUT, the statute says the right to accept or refuse for all “unapproved” products. Our illustrious hack AG is a hack liar – saying there is no federal guidance “specifically” aimed at colleges and universities. But there is guidance, a statute in fact, that requires the right to accept or refuse.

        And the new and improved woke Biden military violating the law and norms, why not?

        This is a huge violation of civil liberties and you Libs should be going crazy. Oh, that’s right – you control the government – Trump voters are white supremacists and insurrectionists and racists. If you oppose CRT, see you’re a racist!

        When my side gets back in power, for the sake of the children, all people who voted for Biden and spent us into oblivion, I’ll require lobotomies and sterilization because they voted for the policies and people that made us bankrupt financially and morally. It started with injecting kids with an experimental drug against their will…and only crazy anti-vaxxers were trying to get your attention…
        So intellectually lazy.
        I’ll make it easy – here is the statute – https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3
        And here is the wording of the section – 21 USC 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) –
        (III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          with regard to the safety of the vaccine – what steps are remaining for it to be approved? I think it has likely far exceeded the requirement for used in wider scope “trials” – already done and proven to be safe by existing FDA standards for approval.

          The irony here is that the FDA just approved a drug for Alzheimer which has NOT demonstrated efficacy.

          The covid vaccines are HIGH efficacy, in the 90% range AND they have been used in millions of people, far, far more than the typical FDA process for vaccine approval.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Jehovah’s Witness? Are those the guys with broken toes and flat noses after I slam my front door?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        menace to mankind!

  10. William Cover Avatar
    William Cover

    Mandatory vaccinations only make sense when there is a fully approved vaccine based upon both efficacy and safety. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are used under an emergency use authorization. Without mentioning names, the competing vaccines used technology that has a track record of unacceptable side effects to the extent the military abandoned using the technology to protect young recruits in basic training from respiratory diseases. Once full approval is realized, then I think vaccine requirements similar to those we endure for our children attending kindergarten will apply. Medicine including vaccines follows the bell curve. In fact, to be human places us on the bell curve. Some people will respond with a hyperimmune response, the majority will respond as an average person, and some will have unfortunate side effects. To whom has the right to choose while we wrestle with the definition of “the pursuit of happiness”.

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