In Defense of Teardowns

Zillow view of Pepper Ave. in the City of Richmond

by James A. Bacon

Everybody hates McMansions, it seems, other than the people who build them.

That certainly seems to be the case in the City of Richmond, where Councilman Andreas Addison and a sympathetic Axios Richmond decry the phenomenon of “teardowns” that is “threatening the historic charm and character of many of Richmond’s most established neighborhoods.”

In the city’s affluent West End, people are snapping up properties in neighborhoods of small single-family dwellings built more than a half century ago and replacing them with houses double the size. The trend is driven by buyers who want to live in one of the more desirable neighborhoods in the Richmond metro area but want larger, more luxurious homes than the unremarkable, Levittown-style dwellings that were a product of a less affluent era.

“Not only are we losing ready-to-move-in homes that are affordable, we’re also fast-tracking the rest of the neighborhood to be unaffordable for everyone else,” Addison told Axios.

Smarter and equitable growth, protecting existing residents’ ability to stay in the city, and reigning in gentrification are the city’s “next chapter challenge,” he added.

Axios tells us why this matters: “The teardown trend is bulldozing some of the city’s affordable housing stock — literally — while threatening the historic charm and character of many of Richmond’s most established neighborhoods.”

Where do I begin?

I know this part of town pretty well. First of all, I fail to see the “historic charm” of these neighborhoods. There is nothing memorable about the architecture of these small Cape Cod-style dwellings. And judging by the examples referred to by Axios, the larger houses replacing them are not monstrous McMansions but tastefully designed with exterior features, materials and scale compatible with the neighborhood. (See the Zillow image above.) The main difference is that the houses are larger and have more amenities. They represent an upgrade to the neighborhood.

There’s a deeper issue at stake — the belief that tearing down older, smaller buildings represents a form of “gentrification” and contributes to a shortage of affordable, entry-level housing.

To be sure, replacing a $400,000 house with a $1.2 million house does put that particular property beyond the reach of many potential homebuyers. But it doesn’t shrink the housing stock. Indeed, it marginally increases the size of the city’s housing stock. A house with more bedrooms and bathrooms can accommodate a larger family.

This should not be a social problem. It becomes one only if zoning codes in Richmond and neighboring counties restrict the development of new affordable housing units… which, admittedly, they sometimes do. The solution, however, is not to restrict development of neighborhoods with the goal of preserving cheaper housing, as some might suggest, but to loosen restrictions that hinder the incorporation of multiple-unit housing into old neighborhoods of single-family dwellings.

As a side note, the City of Richmond should be delighted by a trend that replaces $400,000 houses with $1.2 million houses. At current property tax rates, each such dwelling yields about $9,600 more in taxes each year. Multiply that by a hundred teardowns, and you’re talking real money.

Addison’s concern is that higher prices for some houses will affect “comparables,” drive up assessments across the neighborhood, and raise taxes for all. I think that’s a legitimate point as far as it goes. But I can’t muster a lot of sympathy for a homeowner whose property value increases from, say, $400,000 to $500,000 due to absolutely no effort on his part. If he doesn’t like paying an extra $1,200 a year in taxes on the $100,000 increase in value, sell the house, move to a neighborhood that isn’t being “gentrified,” and pocket the $100,000!

 


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104 responses to “In Defense of Teardowns”

  1. Ah, the government's eternal dilemma: How do they exert complete control over what people do with their own property?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Too many libertarians.

      1. Hey, give 'em a break. They're harmless – and they can be quite helpful when you're looking for a book but can't remember the authors name…

      2. Hey, give 'em a break. They're harmless – and they can be quite helpful when you're looking for a book but can't remember the authors name…

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          and some of them can be right interesting when they take their glasses off.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Wow! Marion the Librarian got deletedโ€ฆ

          2. Wow. That's outrageous. I think it borders on being a hate crime…

            ๐Ÿ˜‰

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Apparently, Shirley Jones ainโ€™t harmlessโ€ฆ

    2. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      And bodies too.

      1. True enough.

  2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Like most things in life, teardowns and McMansions have tradeoffs. They change the character of a neighborhood. Their larger size reduces the openness of neighborhood and can often result in the loss of trees and create storm water issues. They likely raise the value of property in a neighborhood creating real estate tax increases for neighbors in older homes.

    But they also renew neighborhoods, preventing decline and, for the enviros, reduce sprawl. They provide more real estate tax revenue for localities, which is even more important given the big decline in commercial & industrial real estate taxes.

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    It's wonderful to see our little Richmond growing up.

    When I was born, Fairfax County had fewer people than Henrico or Chesterfield Counties today (275k). By 1970, Fairfax had 455k. By 1980, 597k. At 391 sq mi, Fairfax is between Henrico (237 sq mi) and Chesterfield (423 sq mi).

    If the growth in the Richmond area continues (and why shouldn't it?), you'll get to experience all the wonders that I observed over decades in Fairfax County, including:

    1. Ever more congested roads
    2. Tear downs that will not only occur in the city of Richmond but in Henrico and Chesterfield too
    3. Mind numbing real estate costs
    4. A mass influx of people from outside the area
    5. Much higher local taxes
    6. A decline in the quality of public schools. Moreover, a rapidly widening gap between the best public schools in Chesterfield and Henrico and the worst public schools
    7. An increase in crime, including violent crime, in the suburbs

    Everybody says it won't happen in their metropolitan area. Then it does. Don't Fairfax Loudoun.

    Yeah, Jim – you might want to get out while the getting is good.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You've been all over the US. Is this the way it is for urban areas in general?

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Yep. The only place I can think of where the sprawl has been contained is in Westchester County, NY. There seems to be a distinct border between towns and rural areas in Westchester.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      Tear downs are already happening at least in Henrico out around the U of R. Think older neighborhoods (post war and '50s) 3 Chopt & Patterson and west. Maybe east of there too, but I haven't been around there much so haven't laid eyes on any.

      How can Richmond public schools get worse? If anything, money with kids moving in will put pressure on Richmond schools to shape up. Even so a widening gap between them and the best County public schools could still happen.

      One more bet, 8. Anyone moving from NoVa into the City of Richmond will be astonished at how bad local government is. They've laughed at the District for many decades, but never actually experienced pervasive ineptness up close and in person.

      1. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        If they moved from NoVA from a place like Dumfries or Manassas Park, they're used to inept local government.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          but this is what "feet" and "elections" are for…
          you pays your money and makes your choices!

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        The corollary to the City of Richmond is DC. The corollaries to Henrico and Chesterfield are Fairfax and Loudoun. At least, in my opinion.

        Jim talks about this and that in the City of Richmond. He doesn't discuss how the same things will affect Henrico and Chesterfield.

        Pimmit Hills in the McLean / Tysons area used to be a rare affordable area in Fairfax County. Here's a story from 2015 …

        https://www.investmentnews.com/industry-news/archive/mansions-swallow-older-homes-as-teardowns-rise-62601

        A lot of people rented the small houses in Pimmit Hills. Cooks, waitresses, carpenters, etc.

        Once the knock downs started, the owners sold and the renters had to figure out where to go next.

        This won't be a City of Richmond story for long. It will become a Richmond-area story.

        As you say, "Tear downs are already happening at least in Henrico out around the U of R."

        The people buying those expensive new homes have enough money to send their kids to private schools.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          re: " A lot of people rented the small houses in Pimmit Hills. Cooks, waitresses, carpenters, etc."

          this is why you need to PAIR teardowns with ADUs!

          The REAL "enemy" is those who want their home to be in a single family zone and oppose tear-downs as well as ADUs.

          I understand there is a real "war" up in Arlington over this:

          "n March 2023, Arlington County, Virginia passed a zoning reform called the "Missing Middle" Housing Policy that allows for more types of housing in residential areas, including duplexes, townhomes, and buildings with up to six units. The policy aims to address the county's housing affordability crisis by diversifying housing options, especially in neighborhoods that were previously zoned for single-family homes. However, the policy has been controversial and has led to legal action and political pushback from some residents.
          The policy has divided residents into two camps. Some longtime homeowners say that more density and homes could ruin their single-family neighborhoods. Others, like board member Takis Karantonis, say that the housing market is chronically supply-starved and that housing issues could hurt Arlington's business development. In April 2023, nine Arlington residents who own homes filed a lawsuit challenging the policy shortly after the county board's decision. Trial arguments in the lawsuit concluded in July 2024 after a week of legal proceedings and expert testimony"

          The irony is that people who live in single-family subdivisions heavily rely on service people for a lot of their needs and those workers stuggle to find a place to live near where they work.

          The horrendous traffic in NoVa is partly because lower-income (AND middle income) workers have to live further and further out for "affordable" and commute to NoVa for their jobs.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar

          Pimmit Hills was the low rent standout when I was growing up in the area, Didn't a Metro station nearby profoundly transform it? Arlington has long been tear down territory.

  4. "equitable growth" Equitable for who? Sounds like socialism to me.

  5. Everybody hates McMansions, it seems, other than the people who build them.

    And the people who buy them…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Give me a really nice midcentury modern.

      1. That'll work. Some of those are really cool looking.

        And all on one level, right?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          You cannot imagine how important that becomes in oneโ€™s lifeโ€ฆ eventually.

          1. I'm starting to be able to imagine.

            I know I am quite a few years younger than you, but I did not treat my body very well in my younger days and I am paying for it now. I'd guess I have the ankle, knee and hip joints of a man 10-15 years older than I really am.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I miss my quick muscles. Donโ€™t mind the aching ankles, and occasional pain in knees and hips, but I miss the ability to catch falling tools and to pop up out of a chair.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            โ€If I had known I would last this long, Iโ€™d have taken better care of the equipment.โ€ โ€” Some Boomer on turning 50.

            Jokes on him. Heโ€™s probably looking at 80 now.

      2. Paul Sweet Avatar
        Paul Sweet

        I actually agree with NN for once!

  6. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Concerning the property tax issue, do what was done in CA limit the assessment to the last price a house was sold for. Property assessments are nothing more than a swag designed to rob people of what little wealth they have.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      yes, yes. Tax fixed based on sales price combined with a gains tax when sold based on linear growth, or even refund if sold at a loss.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      Who in their right mind would want to emulate any part of the California real estate insanity?

      1. If it's just the taxing method, and not the tax rates and other left-coast nonsense, I'd support it.

      2. If it's just the taxing method, and not the tax rates and other left-coast nonsense, I'd support it.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          Rehoboth Beach assessed at sale for a long time. They also updated valuation when building permits were issued. They changed to current assessments and the first year adjusted the tax rate (around 1/2 what it had been) so that total revenue was the same as under the old system. My taxes still more than doubled. We'd done well under the old system. Been there a long time with no big improvements. The assessment went up dramatically from about $50k when the cottage was built back in the stone age. They also automated their tax system. The old one was kept on 3×5 index cards.

          They also let property owners vote in local elections.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I agree with you. Unfortunately, basing the assessment on the last price a house was sold for is unconstitutional in Virginia. The Virginia Constitution declares, "All assessments of real estate and tangible personal property shall be at their fair market value…"

      https://law.lis.virginia.gov/constitution/article10/section2/

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        and no, we don't want different jurisdictions deciding who gets taxed at different rates.

        1. Different jurisdictions already have different tax rates.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            not within the jurisdiction – same rate for all..

          2. Right. And no one is saying that should change. So why did you bring it up?

          3. That has nothing to do with the tax rate.

          4. That has nothing to do with the tax rate.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            different assessments will do that – the effective tax rate is different.

          6. Right. The "effective" tax rate.

            Why can't you just admit you were wrong, or that you misread or misinterpreted something?

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          The rates would be the same. It just wouldn't be applied at the "fair market value" until you sold your house.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Nothing like a Constitution to lock in the wrong way to do just about everything. Oh, like, well canโ€™t think of anything but my assault rifleโ€ฆ.

        Fortunately, we can change it. There is a long history of assessment-based taxing squeezing people from ancestral lands, eliminating affordable homes, and assuring that upgrading is affordable to housing flippers, rather than the current owner.

        Alas,โ€ฆ Tra-di-SHUN!

        1. Maybe we should start one of them reeferendums to change the state constitution.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Can you do that? Is the stone malleable?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            you don't want – within a given jurisdiction – different tax rates for different folks, right?

          3. Nobody is proposing that.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “do what was done in CA limit the assessment to the last price a house was sold for. Property assessments are nothing more than a swag designed to rob people of what little wealth they have.”

          5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Not in Virginia, you can't. There are two ways to amend the state constiution. The most commonly used method is by passage of an amendment by the General Assembly twice, separated by an election and then approved by the voters in the general election.

            The other way, not used in modern times, is for the GA, by a vote of two-thirds of each house, to call a convention. Anything the convention agrees on must be submitted to the voters for approval.
            https://law.lis.virginia.gov/constitution/article12/

          6. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            And yet … we somehow seem to be able to change the state constitution a lot more often than the federal constitution is amended.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Did not know the 2nd way!

            I still think Virginia voters should be able to initiate referenda, local and state, including to initiate a change to the Constitution – not easier – same tough path – but to initiate the process.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And yet, our 2nd most famous founding father suggested it be rewritten every new generationโ€ฆ

            Presumably using method #2.

          9. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Vince Callahan used to tell stories about his participation in a constitution revision convention.

        2. Clarity77 Avatar
          Clarity77

          I get it, anything with a constitution is BAD including a disgusting rule of law, while the chaos of a constitution-less, rule of law-less banana republic is so much better. You make such great sense. Not.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Canada, Israel, and the UK seem to be successful without one.

            Maybe if our highest court understood the 10th Amendmentโ€ฆ.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Canada, Israel, and the UK seem to be successful without one.

            Maybe if our highest court understood the 10th Amendmentโ€ฆ.

          3. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            I pointed out to you in a previous comment thread that you had things mixed up. And then I asked if you knew of anything else you had mixed up, but you never answered. Is this your way of answering? As it would now make sense.

            As to your list how come you did not add Venezuela to your list?

          4. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            Did. Now in name only, just like Russia and China.

            Because in 2009 there were "types" going around Venezuela saying things like"Nothing like a Constitution to lock in the wrong way to do just about everything. Oh, like, well canโ€™t think of anything but my assault rifleโ€ฆ.Fortunately, we can change it. There is a long history of assessment-based taxing squeezing people from ancestral lands, eliminating affordable homes, and assuring that upgrading is affordable to housing flippers, rather than the current owner." Sound familiar NN?

            So they did change their constitution and now they have no way to buy a house, or food, and are leaving in mass. All because back in 2009 people who thought they were "geniuses" went around smugly saying things like,"Nothing like a Constitution to lock in the wrong way to do just about everything. Oh, like, well canโ€™t think of anything but my assault rifleโ€ฆ.Fortunately, we can change it. There is a long history of assessment-based taxing squeezing people from ancestral lands, eliminating affordable homes, and assuring that upgrading is affordable to housing flippers, rather than the current owner."

            So hindsight being 20/20, would you say those saying such then as they are now, the very geniuses you would want to listen to, given the Venezuelan experience?

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Thereโ€™s only one candidate who has proposed doing away with ours.

            OTOH, there was a President proposed that each generation write another; every 20 years.

          6. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            Would your cat be available to talk? She might share more light on this interchange.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There ainโ€™t enough light in the galaxy for you. None so blind and all that rot.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There ainโ€™t enough light in the galaxy for you. None so blind and all that rot.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There ainโ€™t enough light in the galaxy for you. None so blind and all that rot.

          10. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            That's not very nice, not at all nice, and especially considering I am an immigrant from Venezuela.

            Just curious but do you ever have moments of self loathing wherein you conclude there "ain't enough light in the galaxy for you?" Your cat would know.

          11. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No. You?

          12. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            Can I ask your cat?

            As for me, knowing my Creator and how in His highest act of love he created me there is never any need or thought as to self loathing. Whereas in my relationships that I have enjoyed with leftists over the years it has been frankly shocking to me to see how prevalent self loathing is in their minds when they admit such in rare moments of authenticity. In the meantime of course they must deny such as to admit such would lead to the collapse of their house of cards. Which is what I suspect your cat would confirm.

          13. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I suspect that you see only what you wish to believe.

          14. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            You are confused. What one sees in plain view requires no belief system as it is manifestly true. Whereas when it comes to the concept of a Creator, as I earlier mentioned, that does require a belief system as the Creator cannot be seen in plain view. What is intriguing and entertaining is to see how you seek to hide from view that which is clearly seen. And underlying all the ways you attempt to hide there is in fact always only one issue. Guilt.

          15. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            For once, I agree with you. The 10th Amendment is routinely ignored.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    As a conservative, I would think you would be appalled at the idea of tearing down a perfectly usable house. What a waste.

    The idea of "teardowns" undermines your previous theory or argument regarding housing stock. You used to argue (I did not take the time to find one of your posts on this subject) that, as folks got bigger families and/or became more affluent, they would move up to larger, fancier houses, leaving their former houses as affordable places for families just starting out. The "teardown" approach puts an end to that idea of succession housing.

    As a defense, you roll out your idea of changing the zoning codes to allow more multiuse units within traditional single-family areas. Do you really think folks that have paid over a million bucks for tearing down a house and building a bigger, more modern house on the same lot will not fight tooth and nail against any attempt to enable a multi-unit housing unit next to them?

    Teardowns eliminate more affordable houses, plain and simple. Using the teardown approach, the Gumenick company has eliminated hundreds of servicable, affordable housing units in the Richmond area.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      "Do you really think folks that have paid over a million bucks for tearing down a house and building a bigger, more modern house on the same lot will not fight tooth and nail against any attempt to enable a multi-unit housing unit next to them?"

      They will fight tooth and nail. To the death (metaphorically speaking).

  8. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I'm okay with it. I'm also ok with multi-family (apts) as well as add-on apts to existing homes, ADUs.

    That makes it truly about "affordable" housing vice an "us akin them" thing.

    1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Affordable housing is important, but like many things, it's in an economic mess. A friend of mine who works in that space posted this.

      https://shelterforce.org/2024/08/02/affordable-housers-face-deepening-rental-arrears-and-ballooning-expenses/

      My biggest takeaway is how harmful inflation is to everyone, especially low-income people. Even though interest rate cuts would help us sell a townhouse in Charlotte, the FED would better serve the nation by postponing a rate cut beyond September. Three percent inflation is not two percent inflation.

      And if only Congress would hold spending to last year's level plus inflation.

      Also, the topic no one dares mention, the impact of massive illegal immigration on both wages for lower-skilled American and legal residents and the demand for lower-priced housing.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        All those things are issues but I feel they distract from this issue which is – things we can and SHOULD do right now, this minute, to incentivize affordable housing as well as help older people in older big homes on fixed income by allowing ADUs. It's a win-win-win and yet we can't seem to get things like this done because we need to bring up other things we have problems with like immigration.

        It's a recipe for governance gridlock and i'm not onboard with it.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I'll bite … what's an ADU?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            accessory dwelling unit (ADU)

            An ADU is a separate, independent living unit with its own kitchen, bathroom, and living space. ADUs can be attached to, detached from, or within the primary dwelling. They can also take many forms, such as basement apartments, converted garages, or new detached structures.

            It's not only affordable housing but it benefits the owners of the property, especially if they are on a fixed income.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            accessory dwelling unit (ADU)

            An ADU is a separate, independent living unit with its own kitchen, bathroom, and living space. ADUs can be attached to, detached from, or within the primary dwelling. They can also take many forms, such as basement apartments, converted garages, or new detached structures.

            It's not only affordable housing but it benefits the owners of the property, especially if they are on a fixed income.

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Ahhh … thank you. Of course, ADUs will create the same problems that always accompany higher density in Virginia – the real estate is managed by the locality while the roads are managed by the state (funded, at least – even in counties like Henrico). The local politicians, with their hands deep in the developers' pockets, will run around chanting, "Build, baby, build". Meanwhile, The Imperial Clown Show in Richmondโ„ข will insist that there is no money for expanded transportation, especially roads. They will continue to make that claim despite state spending growing far faster than inflation + population growth.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so … the problem with more affordable housing is roads and it’s VDOT’s fault? not clever!

            clearly, some folks say one thing but think another!!!

          5. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            If you want to support increased density, you have to support increased transportation too.

            The answer is easy – let the localities deal with surface streets including the raising of taxes for those streets.

            The more you get The Imperial Clown Show in Richmondโ„ข out of local matters, the better.

          6. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            The problem, as I've discovered in my time here, is that Virginia Republicans aren't necessarily against "big government".

            They just think the "big government" should be in Richmond, not DC.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            They're "flexible", depending on what it is! ๐Ÿ˜‰
            There is something to be said about the Dillon Rule with the Clown Show dictating the rules to the locality but there's another side to the coin where some folks feel better if Richmond sets the rules and not the locality.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            For more housing options in neighborhoods, it's not really the streets per se, it's the parking and whether it's on the property or in the street, etc.

            That happens even when there are no ADUs. For instance, a guy/gal that drives a dump truck or tractor trailer, etc… unless it's an HOA, or the locality has rules (that they do enforce).

            But in terms of "more" traffic or street parking with respect to ADUs, set the rules for parking and require off street parking as a condition of getting an ADU.

            And, WHERE do folks who would live in ADU come from to begin with? Would the availability of ADUs (lower cost rent) bring more people into the urban area or would it just provide options for folks that already work in the region but commute to the exurbs for affordable housing – and help clog up the highways instead?

            ADUs are beneficial to the owners also for their family members, like an aging parent to
            live nearby instead of assisted care. Or a live-in
            caretaker, etc.

            Plenty of homes these days have the ability to convert IF – the offstreet parking is addressed.

            But again, – when "we" support exclusionary zoning for residential, we are essentially part and parcel of the "affordable housing" issue.

            I see where Arlington did away with exclusionary zoning for single family – where the median price for a house is something like 650K. WHERE would the service workers and others live there? It's not like they won't need service workers, they do. So where would they come from if they can't live there?
            '

          9. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            But ADUs also raise issues that need to be dealt with. One of the biggest issues is parking, especially in older neighborhoods. Can the existing lot handle parking for both the original residents and the ADU residents? What is the impact on existing street parking?

            And then there is the impact on other public facilities. Onesies and twosies probably won't create a problem for water, sewer, parks, schools, etc., but what about a large part of a neighborhood with ADUs?

            Can they be addressed? Sure, in many instances. But the gospel of many of the left is ignore the issues.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            where do you think people who already live and work in the area or commute park and use roads in general?

            no “gospel of the left” – this is a non-partisan issue. Are we serious in trying to address the issues or
            are we hypocrites who just want to talk-the-talk? I have my doubts. We really don’t want solutions
            unless we can get our way on all the issues…. not a way to go forward but a way to gridlock and blame.
            No thanks. If we are serious, we go forward and we address the problems as we do so but to do not
            do so and then wring or hands about the problems with “affordable” housing is less than earnest.

          11. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            In most instances, adding people to a neighborhood means adding cars and sometimes trucks. Let's say a block has ten homes on each side of the street, probably accurate for an older neighborhood. I believe USDOT says the average vehicle per home is 1.88. That's 37.6 for both sides of the street. If there are 4 ADUs per side of the street (I'm assuming ADUs are viewed positively by both homeowners and renters alike.) Let's say the ADU only has one car per unit. So, we are at 45.6 cars for both sides of the street.

            Of course, the impact on parking will vary by the layout of the neighborhood. If there are garages and driveways, the impact of the ADUs will be less than if there are no garages or driveways.

            Having dealt with local planning officials for decades, I doubt that many local governments will care about the negative impacts on many neighborhoods. I've many trendy concepts pushed by planning staff without regard to the views of the community.

            Does this mean that there can be no ADUs anywhere? No, but just like any land use change, including McMansions, one size does not fit all. And "reasonable" neighborhood concerns need to be addressed.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Oh I understand the issue and I’m NOT in favor of more cars than there are places for. At the same time,
            using that as a tactic to oppose ain’t so good either especially when sons and daughters come home
            and park all over the place also.

            The point is that people that might live there, very likely ALREADY live somewhere in the region and
            so they’re not really “adding” to the region.

            ADU’s with review, allowed where appropriate – as oppose to “NO” ADUs because we don’t want to
            figure out fair and reasonable rules and we have NIMBYs chewing on our ankles.

          13. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            As I wrote, ADUs will work in some neighborhoods but not in others. And people go crazy when large families "take more than their fair share of street parking."

          14. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            More likely, they work in SOME houses in MOST older neighborhoods. AND it’s helpful to the owners who
            might want one of their family members to live with them but not in the main home , i.e. a mother-in-law or garage or similar. But the point is, lots of folk wring their hands over “affordable” but don’t consider
            themselves part of the problem if they oppose ADUs in general.

          15. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            More honesty on both sides would be useful. ADUs can work in some locations, but they also can make a big change to a neighborhood just like McMansions can. I do think that some residents believe that allowing ADUs transforms an SFH neighborhood into something less desirable and that could lower property values. I would expect to pay less for a home in a neighborhood with ADUs than I would for a comparable house in a neighborhood with no plans for ADUs.

            I think a key question that needs to be discussed is: What size and amenities are truly needed in an affordable home? Aren't they like starter homes where people accept a lot less house just to get into the market? Are we making affordable housing much harder because some want to add size and amenities that cannot be constructed and sold/rented at affordable prices without huge and hard-to-find subsidies?

          16. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I lived in an ADU for a number of years – a converted garage. I was starting out and could not afford anything else. It’s helped the owners who were retired and on a fixed income. There was parking and it had a small
            kitchen and a small bedroom, and parking and all was good.

            I think property owners should have that option as long as they conform to the rules over parking. I don’t think property values should be at issue because it’s largely a made-up issue from NIMBY types who oppose just about anything from cell towers to a new roundabout, etc. Property owners should have rights also.

          17. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Here's an example. A friends Dad could no longer live by himself and so the son did this:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/66116c951dae3526e960bdfaca7543e9ae3fac9df61ac8c3baaed37cc1abf989.png

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6530b9b12667cfacb0fe852102e4fb4999caf9ec717ea1fbdae0070b30d0fa2.png

            He had to get all the permits but the county
            did allow it. His Dad did move in and there
            is one doorway between the older front and the "L" part in the back. Now that dad is gone, I'm not sure if he can rent it out or not – it has a separate outside entrance and parking.

            There is another one is our subdivision, same situation and now, after mom is gone, it sits vacant and cannot be rented. Plenty of parking , actually on 5 acres and yet……..

    2. How about 4-unit apartment/condo buildings that look like McMansions? They could mix right in with the "real" McMansions with no effect on the new neighborhood aesthetic. They could have 2 units upstairs and 2 units downstairs.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        They can and will and should.

  9. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I actually lived in an ADU for a number of years in my younger days. It was something we could "afford" and the landlord needed the money.

    It's not like ADU "attract" more cars or traffic. If anything, they have zero effect because the people very likely already work in the area and are looking
    for a place they can live without a longer commute.

    1. I lived in an ADU attached to a farm house for while long ago. It consisted of one large room that served as kitchen/dining/living room, one bedroom and a bathroom – and that was it.

      My landlord loved me because I fixed things around the place, and installed electric and plumbing for a washer and dryer in a large closet in the bedroom. I even occasionally tilled fields for him (FYI, a Steiger Panther tractor is loads of fun to drive).

      He even let me keep my motorcycles in the house. As a single guy I loved it there, but it was not exactly suitable habitation once I got married.

  10. Councilman Andreas Addison was ALL FOR destroying Munument Avenue……..

  11. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    What Richmond communists did to Monument Terrace means that the city is no longer worthy of any concern or support.

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