What the War on the Deep State Means for Virginia

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by James A. Bacon

U.S. Sen. Mark Warner warned Thursday that massive cuts and dislocations to the federal workforce under president-elect Donald Trump would be a “disaster for Virginia’s economy. … We would get hit worse than any other states.”

“When you think not just [about] the contractor workforce up in Northern Virginia, but all the folks … who are at our military installations as we go down through the peninsula into Hampton Roads, we would get hit worse than any other states,” Warner said, as reported by Virginia Business. “These kinds of attacks that Mr. Trump has made on the federal workforce, I think is unwarranted.”

Warner has good reason to be afraid. But what Virginians will mourn, much of the rest of the country will celebrate.

Trump has pledged an all-out war on what he calls the unelected “deep state.” He has said he will fire rogue administrators, slash federal payroll in the quest for efficiency, and relocate federal agencies and jobs to locales outside the Washington metropolitan area. He will have many people cheering him on, and I expect this is one campaign promise he will endeavor to make good on. We need to take it seriously.

Consider it a trial run for Boomergeddon. At some point in the next 10 to 15 years, there is a high likelihood that the federal government will face an investor revolt and find itself unable to continue financing $2-trillion-a-year budget deficits. There will be a reckoning. The federal government’s bloated payroll will be on the chopping block, and bond vigilantes will be far more merciless than Trump and his anointed cost cutter Elon Musk, if only because they don’t have to worry about the political blowback.

Whether Trump can accomplish his stated goals in the face of entrenched opposition from a recalcitrant federal bureaucracy, hostile regime media, and Democratic Party lawfare is another question entirely. But it’s a scenario that Virginians need to contemplate. As federal deficits and debt become increasingly unsustainable, the risk to the federal government workforce and military grows in tandem.

As I have argued previously, Virginia needs to conduct a stress-test analysis of what happens to the state’s economy, tax base, and budget when the inevitable fiscal reckoning occurs. The suggestion, to put it mildly, has yet to catch fire. Maybe now that Mark Warner is issuing warnings of what might happen under Trump, people will start asking the question what might happen under a bondholder’s revolt.

 


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71 responses to “What the War on the Deep State Means for Virginia”

  1. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    The winnerโ€™s campaign promise to intern and deport millions will also depress VAโ€™s common wealth and further lower tax revenues. A braver possibly poorer world. Add the imposition of tariffs to the mix for VAโ€™s stress test.

    1. Gordon McKinley Avatar
      Gordon McKinley

      Earlier posts suggest that the border crossers that are unskilled and uneducated are a net drain on the Commonwealth. When Loudoun County and I suspect the Larger NOVA doesnโ€™t have to set aside money for so many translators, healthcare needs, etc. it will not be a drain on the tax revenues we have.

      1. The total cost of illegal immigration is impossible to fully calculate, but I'm sure it's staggering.

        Undocumented migrants cost NYC $5 billion in 2 years; cost expected to double by 2025

        https://www.abc3340.com/news/nation-world/undocumented-migrants-cost-nyc-5-billion-cost-expected-to-double-by-2025-new-york-city-border-harris-biden

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          If true, then most of these costs are local, not Federal , right?

          how will that help the Federal budget?

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          โ€œThe total cost of illegal immigration is impossible to fully calculate, but I'm sure it's staggering.โ€

          The โ€œlogicโ€ of the Right on display right thereโ€ฆ a perfect exampleโ€ฆ. nicely doneโ€ฆ

      2. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Not the Commonwealth but the state's and nation's common wealth. Somehow, unknown to earlier posters, the unskilled and undocumented survive and subsist in VA. Their deportation will have some impact upon the two economies, e.g. teachers, health care workers as you note, not including the costs of internment and deportation.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      That deportation campaign is going to cost a pretty pennyโ€ฆ. and require more government employees or contractors. I am sure funding will be forthcomingโ€ฆ

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Agnostic!!! Elon Musk will provide selfless solutions along with a bit of hardship for the rest of the population. Purge 'em all, the dark and the tall, purge 'em all.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        Well, new budget will be a consolidated one that give one giant pot of money to TRUMP To spend as he see's fit as opposed to allocating to agencies to spend.

        It'll take care of those pesky issues trying to transfer money from one agency to another.

      3. LarrytheG Avatar

        Tru that. Some may think just wave a wand but it's going to take thousands of new govt-paid employees to do what they're saying. That was one of the rubs prior in hiring more judges and border patrol.

        I expect the law to be changed to essentially deny asylum in general. If you come across, they send you right back.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          That's a partial method to salve Tucker Carlson's fears of replacement. Another phase is to adhere to the recent commentary from white identarians and hope for a crisis in the UK to create a mass refugee influx to continue the nation's original heritage.

  2. Cut the US GOVT……save the next P'nut & Fred!!!!!!!

    USSS does not need an office in Milan

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      As long as people try to keep wild animals as pets, they will continue to be responsible for the deaths of those wild animals. As simple as thatโ€ฆ

  3. Carter Melton Avatar
    Carter Melton

    IF Trump has good advisors, and IF he will listen to them ( both are big IFs) we could get a running start preparing for America's day of financial reckoning.

    Some austerity will certainly be needed….but you can't cost-cut your way to prosperity…..some increase in tax revenue will be needed…..but the real key is economic growth……and if the Trump administration can find the sweet spot of regulation for our economy and light the growth fuse….despite his behavioral issues…..he will go down in history as one of our better President's.

    With the bitter partianship and rampant ignorance afoot in Washington..on both sides…. I give it about a 30% chance.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I think Carter has it right. deficit financed tax cuts will be bad karma.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Tariffs will generate the required national income needs. New sources to undertake lawn mowing, cheap construction labor, and hospitality services will be drawn from Europe and perhaps Russia.

  4. beachguy Avatar

    25% of the federal bureaucracy could probably be judiciously eliminated and nobody would ever miss it.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      I'd up that by at least double…

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      1/2 or more of the Fed workforce is military and homeland security.

  5. Walter Hadlock Avatar
    Walter Hadlock

    While it might temporarily affect the Northern Virginia economy, thinning out the contractor force would, in turn, have agency employees do the work. It might even make their jobs more fulfilling. Contractors often come up the obvious at an exorbitant cost.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Yeah! Directly employing personnel with specialized experience in areas such as security, IT, for example will increase the numbers and expense of the federal budget. Eliminating private mercenaries might save a buck. Maybe these notions are as obvious as contractor contributions.

  6. Randy Huffman Avatar
    Randy Huffman

    Better to deal with that now then face the consequences of continued growth of a bureaucracy and Government workers not adding value to our economy. Private companies constantly re-evaluate workforce growth and do layoffs or re-assignments, how often does that happen in the Federal Government?

    There are mitigating factors for the country (maybe not NOVA), such as retiring baby boomers and lower birthrates, among other things. The next few years are likely to be interesting indeed.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    Cutting Va means essentially cutting the military, right? I think more than liberals will be squawking.

    The GOP has two years to do the deed before they are up for election again.

    They have the power now. It'll be interesting to see what they cut and I'm betting, they'll cut taxes even more and generate an even bigger deficit
    rather than cut spending.

    We'll see.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Yep, if they are going to ship the government jobs out of Virginia, it will be the military contractors who are the lionโ€™s share. I am good with them slashing them but find it unlikely that they will.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        If Vlad can import military from North Korea, we can recruit from elsewhere.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        People may not realize but every single military vehicle, air, sea, sub, weapons, hardware, etc, that people "see" out there has a program office in NoVa (and other) that develop, write, maintain software and documentation.
        When you see a Tommahawk missile – it's got hundreds of contractors supporting it.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          The response is to eliminate the contractors and transfer the work to employees. Ya gotta grasp that simple proposition.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    tariffs for tax cuts! I like it! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Most of the commenters are calling for cuts in federal personnel. One says that 25% of the federal positions could be eliminated and they would not be missed. Another says double that number.

    OK. Where would you cut? How about the National Parks? How about the IRS (we don't need that many auditors; we know that all taxpayers are honest and would not cheat on their taxes.) How about the NOAA and the weather service? How about the U.S. Geological Service? (Industry and the oil companies don't need all those geological maps. They can figure out where the resources are.) What about the Dept of Agriculture? (There are not that many farmers now. The ones that remain, they will just have to do without all those crop subsidies and price supports.)

    There are lots of available targets. Come on. Let's have some suggestions. Remember, though, we want to eliminate the annual budget deficit of about $2 trillion, so we have to think big.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      The expenditure cutters are not interested in the outcome of the cuts only the enjoyment of them as promised. The common wealth is an unnecessary confection. The nasty and brutish state of nature is preferred so long as the commenters believe themselves to be competent to compete.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Cuts for effect. Like, gut the EPA but in the bigger scheme of things budget-wise, just a gnat on a doggies butt. The BIG BUCKs are Primarily the military and healthcare. So expect Obmacare and Medicaid to get whacked and perhaps Medicare if they can convince more to go with Medicare Advantage..and such.

      I just don't think they're gonna cut the military nor homeland security..

      They may make changes to SS to "undo" it and make it go away
      entirely longer term.

    3. Lefty665 Avatar

      It will start with cleaning house at the top of DoJ and the FBI. The massive DIE bureaucracy that has grown up over the last 4 years would be a good second step. Closing some of the more than 750 military bases we have overseas would be another good place to start.

      We will also get the removal of the profound embarrassment of our very own Mark Warner as chair of the Senate Intelligence committee.

  10. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Not cuts. Elimination of the income tax. All commerce qualifies for the not-for-profit IRS exemption. Establish residency off-shore US to qualify for tariff exemption. Everyone become a sovereign citizen. No more common wealth but a financial state of nature a la Thomas Hobbes.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I'm agog.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Don't forget Magog.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Ah bitcoins.. right?

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        Perhaps, a bit of coin. New iphones to engage in digital commerce to replace hard and credit currency exchange.

  11. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Expect to spend endless commentary on BR in response to the implementation of the policies announced during the campaign. Some cuts will be for effect, some to radically compel substantial change.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      cut for effect – eye poking…

      real cuts – smoke and mirror games.

  12. LarrytheG Avatar

    oh, like they are not all already working full time?

    Many of the contractors are retired military. Double dippers…. and invaluable in terms of their actual experience with the hardware and ability to relate to manuals and software used to
    operate the weapons.

    The govt folks are often called CoTars , don't have
    actual experience with the weapons but higher level management for budget and planning,etc.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Just read the commentaries. Appreciating work skills, requirements, training matter naught to the deconstructionists. Gummint for hundreds of millions of fellow Americans is simply too big to be worthwhile or conceived. The military could be eliminated were the world at peace. SS and the ACA could be eliminated were all to care for those who require such. Local militias will handle security.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I'm thinking most of the GOP is not going to go along with military cuts and I think the military is going to put on an impressive dog and pony to show really bad stuff if they are cut.

        Medicaid probably will be gutted. ACA might survive but swinging in the wind. There are those who want SS to go away and I expect them to be vocal.

        This primarily why the GOP supported Trump – it was more a means to an end for some things they've always wanted and his
        massive change to SCOTUS. Trump really did not have that much of a policy agenda per se but the Project 2025 did/does.

        I just remain skeptical that he'll cut the military and pull us back from our current place in the world. I think he WILL pull out of Ukraine AND he WILL go after Iran.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Threats to reduce the nation's military will affect the responses and participation of allies especially those in NATO. That will encourage further aggression by unfriendly countries from Russia to Iran to N. Korea to further take over in Africa by China and Russia. BTW, there are, according to Pew, some 117,000 unauthorized Ukrainians in the US who fall into the definition of deportable.

  13. LarrytheG Avatar

    Emedded chips that Starlink can track?

  14. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    TY. Done!!!

  15. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Donโ€™t know how Trump will impact the Virginia economy but if this is any indication, it wonโ€™t be pretty:

    โ€œNissan said yesterday morning they will cut 9k jobs immediately in anticipation of tariffsโ€

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Nissan is a reactionary enterprise. LOL. Scaredy cat!!! Y'all don't hear Tesla or SpaceX mewling. Or Cantor Fitzgerald. Or the crypto connoisseurs especially in the First Family.

    2. Tariffs? CNN disagrees.
      https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/08/business/nissan-job-cuts-stock/index.html

      "Like many global automakers, Nissan is struggling in China where BYD and other domestic rivals are winning market share with affordable electric vehicles and gasoline-electric hybrids equipped with advanced software.

      Nissan is also challenged in the US where it lacks a line-up of hybrids just as that vehicle type is in strong demand.

      CEO Makoto Uchida said Thursday that Nissan had not foreseen hybridsโ€™ sudden popularity in the US and that demand for revamped versions of core models had not been as strong as hoped. "

  16. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    The first two years (730 days) before the 2026 elections of 36 Senators (20 Rs) and the House will be the window out of which to throw the accomplishments of previous decades. Semper paratus.

  17. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Perhaps, we'll see a proposal to impose mandatory E-Verify with stiff penalties for non-compliance and a requirement to seek asylum from outside the U.S. border as an alternative. It will take time to set up a large-scale deportation program, such that an immigration reform bill with real teeth could effectively preempt Trump.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I'm still trying to figure out where they're gonna get the undocumented criminals that are not already in prison.

      Is there a "wanted" list of the ones on the loose?

      Don't hold your breath on E-Verify, they won't be going after businessmen especially GOPpers.

      1. James McCarthy Avatar
        James McCarthy

        By the definition of the new regime, all 11 million unauthorized persons in the US are criminals including some half million DACA folks. Pew estimates about 8.3 million are employed. Other vulnerable peoples are like the pet-eaters in Ohio whose legal status is not permanent.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          ah. Got it. I’m slow. I admit it.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      A mass deportation isn't really necessary. Start with the criminals and the others will self-deport. If they don't and are caught it's a 3 year ban the first time and life the second.

  18. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    So many of my college pals work for Easy G. And a few are making plans to move on before you know who is inaugurated. Smells like…victory.

  19. LarrytheG Avatar

    You keep this up and you’re gonna be a top commenter! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  20. Is Senator Warner's legacy the unsustainable debt that has been incurred during his service? What does he have to show for all this debt?

  21. Clarity77 Avatar

    When as a taxpayer you consider Trump being the head of a party that just won the election with a clean sweep in all categories by way of a budget that was a fraction of that of the opposing party represented by Warner why would any taxpayer give any attention whatsoever to Warner or his democrat lackeys when it comes to fiscal matters?

    And I further add amazingly the democrats blew their whole billion dollar wad and even went further in the hole by $20 million, much of which we now find out was raised in a fraudulent fashion and thereby actually stolen from their naive koolaid drinking donors. They obviously cannot effectively manage their own money so why would taxpayers entrust them with their hard earned money let alone anything?

  22. The garbage has voted.
    Now it's time to take out the trash.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Truly spokenโ€ฆ the do-called โ€œgarbageโ€ will be hit very hard by thisโ€ฆ

  23. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    And also โ€œimmigrantโ€ citizens born in this country alsoโ€ฆ by executive order starting on Day 1โ€ฆ. set the US Constitution asideโ€ฆ

  24. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    I used to get upset about federal government bloat and waste. Now I'm just glad that we don't get all the government we are paying for.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      People up my way are complaining that VDOT is not giving them enough roads… and stuff.

      Complaining about the Post Offices closing for lunch.

      Complaining the schools don't have enough classes and programs.

      they just don't want to pay for it!

      ๐Ÿ˜‰

  25. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Sadly, zealousness sometimes creates a cloud over some principles even among many who proclaim patriotism.

    Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution (adopted July 9, 1868), which states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." That statute covers the 500,000+ DACA.

    Others seek to justify internment and deportation as a tax-saving. Texas has spent $148 Million of taxpayer funds to "export" 100K immigrants including 13-15 thousand to NYC to shift a political burden.

    No matter that some US residents were born here and are citizens, the hunger to "other" newcomers, blame them for crime, stealing jobs from other native-born citizens, and generally not welcomed — astonishing!!

    The US has 23.4 million, foreign-born citizens through naturalization whose children born here will now be citizens by birthright. That dynamic has been America's value since its founding.

  26. Let the reckoning begin.

    MAKE VIRGINIA RED AGAIN.

  27. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    A Federal hiring freeze and moving agencies out of DC/NOVA/Suburban MD seems to be a good start. Does anyone really think a new FBI HQ in Springfield is a good idea? Is the traffic in the 95/495/395 interchange not awful enough already?

  28. Jim Loving Avatar

    Good luck James, you reap what you sow. It's the Dismal Tide descending.

  29. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    "And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. 19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. 20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. 21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions." Wokeism, condescension, and self righteousness are nothing new.

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