Propagandizing Doth Not A Happy Historian Make


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10 responses to “Propagandizing Doth Not A Happy Historian Make”

  1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    One thing that I find fascinating about history is how much of it is still, well, unknown.

    I wish I could give you more details, but quite frankly, I wasn’t paying attention (aka drinking heavily) when a friend explained her research toward her Ph.D. thesis on the English monarchy during The War of the Roses.

    Dana, lost to us now, abandoned her very lucrative career in computer system management to pursue her doctorate in history. The upshot was she spent at least 6 months to a year in England chasing moldy papers and letters and apparently discovered 1st source documents that had never been seen by historians on one of the prominent Lancaster family members.

    As I recall her thesis caused a bit of a stir.

  2. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    If you are really interested in a topic, one history and one historian is a risk. Want to study the American Civil War? Foote, Catton, Nevins, Sandburg, Freeman — each has a different perspective on the same set of facts, or benefits from more recent research. History WITHOUT a point of view is usually boring. I have incredible respect for Ayers, but it isn’t that simple.

    I also think that good teachers, successful teachers, usually are not blatant propagandists, or if they are it is well known by the students signing up. The good teachers also encourage debate. I had such a class and got into the spirit, with some others, pushing back against the teacher as he railed against Nixon, Eisenhower, and other Republicans covered by the class but he obviously relished our responses. This was pre-Wikipedia and gathering the facts took research…maybe that was his plan all along….

  3. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    If you are really interested in a topic, one history and one historian is a risk. Want to study the American Civil War? Foote, Catton, Nevins, Sandburg, Freeman — each has a different perspective on the same set of facts, or benefits from more recent research. History WITHOUT a point of view is usually boring. I have incredible respect for Ayers, but it isn’t that simple.

    I also think that good teachers, successful teachers, usually are not blatant propagandists, or if they are it is well known by the students signing up. The good teachers also encourage debate. I had such a class and got into the spirit, with some others, pushing back against the teacher as he railed against Nixon, Eisenhower, and other Republicans covered by the class but he obviously relished our responses. This was pre-Wikipedia and gathering the facts took research…maybe that was his plan all along….

  4. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    This is excellent talk on history by Edward Ayers. This guy is a real historian, with perspective, balance, judgement, along with trail blazing originality in his treatment of new materials. It’s an authentic learning experience, he offers us, not the rant we so often hear today.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Yeah, shoulda been UVA’s president….

      I need to find a read a good history on the War of the Roses, Nancy. That may fit nicely with the rough patch we are entering, better than the War Between the States. Can’t trust Will Shakespeare’s “blatant propaganda” on the period….

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, don’t look to me. I’d suggest Lewis Carroll as my source for the War of the Roses.

  5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    One thing that I find fascinating about history is how much of it is still, well, unknown.

    I wish I could give you more details, but quite frankly, I wasn’t paying attention (aka drinking heavily) when a friend explained her research toward her Ph.D. thesis on the English monarchy during The War of the Roses.

    Dana, lost to us now, abandoned her very lucrative career in computer system management to pursue her doctorate in history. The upshot was she spent at least 6 months to a year in England chasing moldy papers and letters and apparently discovered 1st source documents that had never been seen by historians on one of the prominent Lancaster family members.

    As I recall her thesis caused a bit of a stir.

  6. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    This is excellent talk on history by Edward Ayers. This guy is a real historian, with perspective, balance, judgement, along with trail blazing originality in his treatment of new materials. It’s an authentic learning experience, he offers us, not the rant we so often hear today.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Yeah, shoulda been UVA’s president….

      I need to find a read a good history on the War of the Roses, Nancy. That may fit nicely with the rough patch we are entering, better than the War Between the States. Can’t trust Will Shakespeare’s “blatant propaganda” on the period….

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, don’t look to me. I’d suggest Lewis Carroll as my source for the War of the Roses.

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