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46 responses to “More Burdens on Teachers”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Conservative version of ‘cancel culture’ ?

    does this apply to all grades or just the lower?

    How do private K-12 schools handle this? Anyone here who has some
    experience with private schools?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, not teaching about sex could have a bad effect with these later generations. They may stop.

  2. The other side of the Woke coin continues to show itself. I don’t have a child in K-12 anymore, but beyond that, the fringes of conservative AND progressive movements trying to dominate culture, society, politics and the economy is getting old quick.

  3. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    The original article and the comments seem to be based on the assumption that the parents will ban or reject whatever is considered “sexually explicit.” Recent events certainly show that lack of parental review has permitted objectionable materials to be presented to the students, either directly or via the school libraries.
    I don’t think I was harmed by not reading any of the books listed in the article until I was an adult. In fact, by not reading these books until I was an adult helped me see sex from a healthier viewpoint.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Yes, but 55 is still a tender age…

  4. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Let the parents decide. There was obviously books available years ago to teach. What was wrong with all of them? Kids are getting less academics, scoring worse on tests. Considering the leftist solutions don’t work, try something else. I want kids concentrating on academics without political or physical or other garbage in them. Life can be a drudge some days. Get used to it.

  5. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Whether or not “it is a burden on teachers” doesn’t matter as much as the parents who have the legal and moral authority to decide their kids’ future, NOT for the convenience of teachers, librarians, principals.

  6. Why shouldn’t the burden be upon parents to be aware of what their children are doing and reading in school?

    Really? How are parents to know about sexual content unless they read every teaching assignment given to every child?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      If they care that much about what their children are assigned to read, they should be familiar with the books.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        “Dick Hall-Sizemore James A. Bacon • an hour ago
        If they care that much about what their children are assigned to read, they should be familiar with the books.”

        That’s not logic at all, that’s called blame shifting.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Familiar only entails reading reviews. But remember, “The Art of Racing in the Rain” was banned in some Texas school because the subject of child custody was broached in which a false accusation of abuse was made. Nothing more explicit than the accusation. There is no “reasonable person” tests anymore, just screaming parents in some cases.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            What or what as not “banned” is Texas is irrelevant.

            There is no “reasonable” person test regarding minors. It is the school’s duty to inform the parents of any materials that are used for teaching that may be to advanced for the child. The school board is elected to serve in this function, if they do not wish to conduct their jobs. They have one option.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            They DID serve the function, for all you know. Some persons merely took exception to how they did their jobs.

            But to you favor, read Feynman’s “Surely you’re joking…” for his description of serving on the SB and the “blank” textbook. Maybe accountability has been a long time coming.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Nancy Naive 7 minutes ago
            They DID serve the function, for all you know. Some persons merely took exception to how they did their jobs.

            But to you favor, read Feynman’s “Surely you’re joking…” for his description of serving on the SB and the “blank” textbook. Maybe accountability has been a long time coming.”

            I don’t think you should presume to know my thoughts on a SB nor assign me thoughts or statements I haven’t made.

            VA Code 22.1-79

            “5. Insofar as not inconsistent with state statutes and regulations of the Board of Education, operate and maintain the public schools in the school division and determine the length of the school term, the studies to be pursued, the methods of teaching and the government to be employed in the schools;

            Since the SB’s were against presenting or publishing what was being contained in some books, I think it’s a good indication that it wasn’t suitable for the audience without parental consent, which is required for a minor.

            While we are on the topic of SB’s and what they are and are not doing, we can discuss “Race to the Bottom” by Luke Rosiak.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            There isn’t one.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Riveting reply, pure edge of the seat stuff.

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Then let me elucidate. There isn’t a top, nor a sense of direction. It’s a cave dive. Without lights.

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Your should patent your ability to obfuscate topics, you’d be rich.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I am already.

          9. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Logically speaking, rich people don’t spend their days arguing on the Internet. Also, note your current wife is rich, you lost your money is the first divorce.

          10. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You’re rich. Your logic is, however, faulty, as usual.

            Actually, I got the house. She took the new car.

          11. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I’ve never claimed to be rich, you however have repeatedly. Umm also no, that’s not divorce works.

            She’s entitled to half of your martial property, so you can drop the act. You’re a gold digger, it’s cool.

          12. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            No. I meant another definition of “rich”. Like, oh say, that’s rich. Funny guy.

            Are we talking about my first wife? She got the car. It was 1981 and, well, we didn’t have much, a house with a hefty mortgage payment and two paid-for cars, one in constant repair. Oh, she took half my vinyl collection too. I bargained hard and got all of the Wishbone Ash and Steely Dan though.

            As a household, even at half, we’d both still be rich by percentile. But then, that would depend on your definition of wealthy.

            But, remember, America IS the land of opportunity. Get a second hand guitar, chances are you’ll go far, if you fall in with the right bunch of fellas. And invest.

          13. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Again, you should patent that’s obfuscation you’d be rich.

            VA law stipulates 30%, so you can pretend she got the car and you got a house all you’d like, it won’t make it true.

            Furthermore, most people who boast about themselves on the Internet, aren’t being truthful (those are facts despite you insisting otherwise).

            Your current wife is rich, you married into wealth that your wife is not entitled, as VA is an indefinite alimony state.

            Beyond that your finally statement, like most is pointless. You’ve made statements on here that are false, not even a simple sense but outright by anyone with knowledge on the topics.

          14. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Again. Already am. Even split 50-50.

            As for the untidiness in 1981, it’s called a Property Settlement. Judges are loath to set aside a duly signed contract. 30%? Do you mean alimony? There’s no alimony when both are making equivalent amounts, no kids, no contest. The value of the new car was equal to the equity.

            But since you’ve been divorced far many more times than I, well you should know.

          15. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Once again, you’ve made a comment which discussed the article move to be about yourself.

            “But since you’ve been divorced far many more times than I, well you should know.”

            False, I can just read the laws and actually understand them.

            However, we’re done.

          16. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            That has yet to be proven, and is highly unlikely given the number of 5-4 splits even with those who really can.

            $1?

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      How do parents know about things outside of class? Kids these days are bullied, some commit suicide, others become mass killers – and parents apparently were clueless in some cases.

      Teachers know more about some kids than their parents do.

      Teachers are how child abuse is often discovered.

      Teachers are being pushed back into just doing a job and nothing more.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      They should at least do as much as the kids, and read the Cliff Notes. Actually, since my daughter’s years, the school sent home a reading list, most of which I read when I was in school. Better K-3, no Dick & Jane… where was Spot going that he was always running?

  7. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    For me the litmus test is simple. If the illustrations or written passages in a book are too explicit or offensive to publish in the local newspaper or a school newsletter, then teachers should let parents know. The great irony in this whole dispute is that the media refuses to publish offensive material (for example, self-censoring descriptions of bestiality in “Beloved”) but rails against parents for wanting to censor the same book.

  8. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
    Virginia Gentleman

    Boomers Unite! Karens Speak out! We can’t let our children be exposed to reading about sex. They need more quality time in front of the TV playing Doom, Call of Duty, and Mortal Kombat.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Virginia Gentleman • an hour ago
      Boomers Unite! Karens Speak out! We can’t let our children be exposed to reading about sex. They need more quality time in front of the TV playing Doom, Call of Duty, and Mortal Kombat.”

      Tipper Gore is that you?

  9. tmtfairfax Avatar
    tmtfairfax

    And no age-inappropriate materials with explicit sexual content have been presented to school kids.

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, IKEA assemby manuals are right out! Cannot talk about putting “tab A” into “slot B”, let alone slots C, or D.

  11. VaNavVet Avatar
    VaNavVet

    Perhaps Gov Youngkin can strike a blow against “cancel culture” in the General Assembly by vetoing this legislation.

  12. Deborah Hommer Avatar
    Deborah Hommer

    First of all, there are laws governing limits on what state employees may access. “The bill’s definition of “sexually explicit” comes from a different section of Virginia code that limits what content state employees can access on government-provided computers.” https://www.insidenova.com/headlines/virginia-lawmakers-give-parents-a-say-on-sexually-explicit-classroom-materials/article_f12a7264-9985-11ec-9be9-eb196bd9dc6f.html
    https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/2.2-2827/

    So if there are limits to what state employees may access, why not children? It’s The Who Decides question. And this should be common sense.

    What’s most disturbing about almost any topic where there needs to be open, honest, non-political communications happening. Unfortunately, we are getting propaganda puppets that are spouting the party line without truth attached to the arguments. It’s really getting old.

    I have written an article on the legalese (loopholes) that allows these materials in schools and libraries that otherwise would incur severe legal consequences.

    https://www.fairfaxtimes.com/articles/opinions/obscenity-porn-gets-thumbs-up-if-has-literary-value/article_21c41270-27a0-11ec-a471-03075043c749.html

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Hmmm, so if a teacher reads books online to determine if they’re are objectionable and thus discovers that they are so, are they then in violation of the objectionable material ban for online access? Ya know, I smell a Catch 22.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        oh wait………….

        how DOES that work? Do Conservatives go check out suspect books and actually read the book? LORD!

        So… any parent that has a problem with any book can not only prevent their kid from reading it but have it removed from the library?

        Or does it take a vote?

        1. tmtfairfax Avatar
          tmtfairfax

          Or the school library could segregate the books in a manner that only age-appropriate students would have access. It doesn’t need to be all or nothing.

      2. Deborah Hommer Avatar
        Deborah Hommer

        seriously. If the sky is blue, and the teacher says it’s green, what color is it? This is a problem of the modern/postmodern world we live in.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Sounds like they’re a Republican.

          1. Deborah Hommer Avatar
            Deborah Hommer

            that’s a deflection, not an answer.

  13. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Great comments. We are creating a litany of many documents a parent will have to sign so that school boards will not be sued. Let’s not forget that good teachers, both in history and literature, will leave because they are afraid to teach. We love to create code, but are often short-sighted on implementing the code.

  14. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    I share the revulsion at books that include explicit depictions of and advocacy for pedophilia as was the issue in Fairfax. The idea that if the school board would not permit reading of the text or showing the illustrations at their meeting then perhaps the book was inappropriate for a middle school library seemed reasonable.

    But… this seems like going after all sexuality with a machete when a scalpel to excise a specific malignancy would have been appropriate.

  15. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    “The Notebook by Nicholas Sparks describes sex scenes between a married couple”

    When did we move on from using Charles Dickens works to Nicholas Sparks?

    Edit:

    “For members of the General Assembly wondering why there is a shortage of teachers, legislation like this is a prime example of some of the reason.”

    Furthermore, there was a shortage of teachers prior to this and there is a host of reasons for that. To simply lament that this is the only reason for the shortage, is myopic if not completely and utterly disingenuous.

    https://teachercareercoach.com/why-teachers-quit/

  16. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Over the past 30 years, the birth rate in the United States has been steadily declining, and in 2019, there were 11.4 births per 1,000 of the population.”

    Maybe it has been an attempt to fix a problem.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/195943/birth-rate-in-the-united-states-since-1990/

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