Flyover Country’s Budget Dilemma

by James A. Bacon

Dwayne Yancey, founding editor of Cardinal News, may be the most prolific purveyor of commentary in the Old Dominion (although I try to give him a run for his money). He loves making deep dives into the data. He’s often insightful and his tone is always reasonable. I do quibble, however, with the way he has framed his commentary today.

“Those of us who live in rural areas like to think of ourselves as independent and self-reliant,” he writes. Ironically, the data show that rural American communities are among the most dependent in the country upon government transfer payments.

Yancey is too stout of an advocate of rural/western Virginia interests to draw the same conclusion that some of our friends on the left do: that such dependence marks residents of “red” flyover country as hypocrites. He notes correctly that the dependence upon federal largesse reflects the fact that rural populations are older than suburban/urban populations and, therefore, a higher percentage qualifies for Social Security and Medicare — which, I might add, they have been paying into their entire lives.

“This isn’t a case of lazy, shiftless Americans milking the system so they can live on the dole, the classic tale of the “welfare queen,” Yancey says.

Where Yancey goes astray is suggesting that rural residents cast ballots against their interests by voting overwhelmingly for president-elect Trump, who has tasked Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) to cut $2 trillion in government spending. “To reach that goal — or near it — would require cuts to transfer payments like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid,” he writes.

The voters who most strongly supported Trump are the ones who would most keenly feel the impact of one of his campaign promises, to slash government spending. Trump voters may not care if some six-figure government worker in Northern Virginia loses their job (although perhaps they should, since income taxes from Northern Virginia that help subsidize rural schools, but I digress); what are they going to think if their Social Security check winds up on the chopping block?

Here’s the thing: Trump has vowed not to cut Social Security and Medicare. He has no intention of alienating his core constituencies. This simply won’t happen.

Does this mean that Musk’s goal of slashing $2 trillion in spending out of a $6.75 trillion budget while continuing to make nearly $900+ billion a year in interest payments on the national debt and bolstering U.S. defense capacity is a pipe dream?

Yes. Yes, it does.

That’s the real disconnect.

The U.S. national debt is $36 trillion, and Uncle Sam faces $2 trillion-a-year deficits as far as the eye can see. The nation is in a fiscal box. Boomergeddon looms. The only prayer the nation has of preventing the collapse of the democratic welfare state is to throw a Hail Mary pass: slash spending and use deregulation to stimulate economic growth in the hope that economic output can grow faster than deficits can add to the national debt. If long-term growth (adjusted for periodic recessions) averages 3% annually while payments on the national debt grow only 2.5%, we might conceivably muddle through the 21st century. That, as I see it, is Trump’s plan.

By proclaiming the goal of cutting $2 trillion in spending, Musk is aiming big. If he can achieve a quarter that sum, $500 billion, the effort will be an unprecedented achievement and perhaps enough to alter the fiscal glide path to disaster. But reaching that goal by cutting Social Security and Medicare payouts to rural Americans is a political nonstarter. It won’t happen.


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16 responses to “Flyover Country’s Budget Dilemma”

  1. Musk should identify the most egregious wastes of money and have Johnson introduce a slash in a stand alone House bill and see who supports it and who votes against it. Same for the Senate. No more hiding waste in big continuing resolutions!

  2. Super Brain Avatar
    Super Brain

    About 46% of total Federal spending goes to those 65 and over. Yancey points out how Medicare/Medicaid is driving costs.
    Fact is neither party is going to do anything lest their constituents revolt. Americans want budget cuts on others, not themselves.
    Yancey points out that MAGA country would be most affected by cuts.
    Just look at the math being invented on extending the expiring individual tax cuts.

  3. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Try to remember the kind of December when pundits said grass was greener….

    "Hereโ€™s the thing: Trump has vowed not to cut Social Security and Medicare. He has no intention of alienating his core constituencies. This simply wonโ€™t happen." Say it's so, Joe. You're a man of your word.

  4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    โ€œโ€ฆwho has tasked Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) to cut $2 billion in government spendingโ€ฆโ€

    Surely you are not also contending that Elon Musk and his made up Department has authority to cut or add to the federal budgetโ€ฆ I am sure you arenโ€™tโ€ฆ.

  5. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Why is Medicare such a problem?
    Obamacare.
    He bent the cost curve alright – up!
    Just fixing so much of the govt stupidity will be a huge โ€œcutโ€ by lowering costs. And there is $2 trillion of waste anyway. Go back to a Republic.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    You and Yancy need a little more clarity on the who gets what and why.

    Everyone pays into SS and Medicare Part A (not Part B) and how much you get back depends on how much you put in to start with. AND not a penny of it comes from income taxes, 100% of it comes from FICA taxes.

    Next, Medicare Part B is provided to everyone no less than 25% of the total premium. So, taxpayers ARE paying 75% of the premium for Part B and it's fair game in budget talks, the premium cost CAN be hiked up to ask people to pay more for it.

    MedicAID is 100% from income taxes, both Federal and State and the premiums for it are means-tested but it is much more heaviy subsidized than Medicare Part B is (and even that pays only 80%) of charges unless you have supplementary insurance or Medicare Advantange.

    Roads, schools and hospitals ARE state-subsidized in Rural Va.

    Clarify these facts first, before adding the commentary on "fly over country".

    Next on the National deficit/debt. The major part of the debt was accumulated during Covid. The deficit itself IS doeable if we actually
    deal with the taxes as well as the cuts.

    We simply don't want to pay for the things we want , things we have already bought with deficits.

    Get rid of the Trump tax cuts, and you'll come close to a balanced budget.
    Take away the tax subsidies, called tax expenditures, and you'll balance the budget.

    Deal with that issue alone , balance the budget then figure out the debt which we can also buy down if we have the fiscal backbone to do it.

    It COULD be quite easily done with a temporary National sales tax on
    luxury goods, plane tickets, taxes on bitcoin transactions, etc.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Elon Musk! Proxmire lives. Prepare for pithy headline-grabbing anti-intellectualism by the greatest recipient of government fraud, waste, and abuse.

  8. Carter Melton Avatar
    Carter Melton

    I once read a pundit who said "Americans are pragmatically liberal but philosophically conservative…..which leaves them with an insatiable appetite for social programs they refuse to fund!"

    Good luck, Elon.

  9. Super Brain Avatar
    Super Brain

    Musk could make a contribution by finding Federal processes to reengineer.

  10. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Ah, Jim's favorite panacea–deregulation. To stimulate economic growth, we need to deregulate. Which regulations should we get rid of or minimize? How about the banking regulations? Oops! We already did that and we got the Great Recession.
    https://grdspublishing.org/index.php/people/article/view/132

    What about all those pesky environmental regulations? Well, sure. The James River is almost recovered from Kepone, so we can let up some now. And so what if that train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in East Palestine, Ohio? That was just an isolated incident. It couldn't happen in, say, Ashland or near Fredericksburg.

    It is worth noting that Jim did not address one way that Dwight Yancey proposed to increase economic growth–more immigration. We are going to need those young workers. Oh, that's right. Trump is going to deport several million of them. That will really help economic growth.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: "Yancey is too stout of an advocate of rural/western Virginia interests to draw the same conclusion that some of our friends on the left do: that such dependence marks residents of โ€œredโ€ flyover country as hypocrites. He notes correctly that the dependence upon federal largesse reflects the fact that rural populations are older than suburban/urban populations and, therefore, a higher percentage qualifies for Social Security and Medicare โ€” which, I might add, they have been paying into their entire lives."

    "Hereโ€™s the thing: Trump has vowed not to cut Social Security and Medicare. He has no intention of alienating his core constituencies. This simply wonโ€™t happen."

    These folks have NOT been paying into their health care their entire lives and yes, it was the Dems who voted to provide them health care with the GOP often opposing.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c24051b2778d7864b50f5cae4bbd5eb402f82fca6eef065048a814bfd2b30993.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/69929324d7e4915a5bd83bc74da342e021398ae0690a232e918d5c1cf4fdbe85.png
    This is a perennial problem with some Conservatives and many GOP.

    They rail about "spending", i.e. providing health care to people without ever mentioning flyover country then they're fine with taking it away, again , without ever mentioning who they're taking it away from and what geography.

    AND , totally true, the folks they're taking it away from are indeed those in flyover country, including Virginians, who support the GOP and Mr. Trump.

  12. DJRippert Avatar

    "Where Yancey goes astray is suggesting that rural residents cast ballots against their interests …"

    It would be in my interest for the government to confiscate all money from all billionaires and use it to pay down the national debt.

    I would vote against such a measure because it simply isn't fair.

  13. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    Standby to Make America Great Again!

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The 3 pillars of Hooverism; tariffs, shrink the labor pool, and give free rein to the wealthy. Woohoo. Works every time.

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