Bacon's Rebellion

Your Daily Illegal

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James A. Bacon
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by Kerry Dougherty

Chances are until this week you’d never heard of Melody Waldecker. She’s the 54-year-old mother of four and grandmother of eight who was run over and killed Sunday morning in Sterling, Va. by a carjacker.

His name? Jose Aguilar-Martinez, 21. He’s from El Salvador. In the country illegally.

Thanks to failed border czar Kamala Harris.

Ms. Waldecker is from Silver Spring, Md., but she was in Virginia this weekend, visiting her ailing mother. On Sunday morning she dashed into a 7-Eleven when she saw someone getting into her Kia Sorento.

She ran to the car and attempted to stop the car thief. He gunned the engine and ran her over.

This suspected killer took off, was involved in two other minor accidents before being arrested. Continue reading. 

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134 responses to “Your Daily Illegal”

  1. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Those who support illegals should get aid and abet charges.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Our daily immigrant vilification post… alas…

    1. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      Really ? If the illegal isn't here no death and destruction occurs. Bad enough to deal with citizens committing crimes but to allow illegals to murder, rape and plunder shows a lack of common sense.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Undocumented immigrants reduce violent crime rates. That is a fact. Intentional vilification of a group of human beings based on the actions of individuals is the standard approach of totalitarians.

        1. kls Avatar
          kls

          Mathematically, you're right…..because 20,000,000 get added for the statistics… but that Dem adage. "If it saves just one life" apparently does not apply to criminal foreigners

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Mathematically I am right but not because of the number of undocumented immigrants but because they are more law abiding as a population than born and bred Americans. Are you saying all gun owners need to be judged based on the actions of a few bad actors? Fwiw, there are far more instances of bad actor gun owners than bad actor undocumented immigrants… should we start a thread… ?

        2. James Kiser Avatar
          James Kiser

          U.S. Congressman Jerry Nadler (D–NY) claims it is “pure hogwash” that “this country is threatened by a great crime wave because of illegal immigrants.”
          IN FACT, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that the criminal records of non-citizens in U.S. prisons and jails contained 33,300 arrests/transfers for murders committed in the United States. Contrary to the media, illegal immigrants are far more likely to commit serious crimes than the general U.S. public. From the Website ” Just Facts” which uses documented and proven info not your hyperbole.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I guess the Cato Institute is to Woke for you … alas… https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2020-10/working-paper-60.pdf

        3. Randy Huffman Avatar
          Randy Huffman

          Facts based on what? Violent crimes have to be reported, and have to be reported as being from a person being a US citizen, here legally or here illegally, for what you assert to be tracked Do you really believe that data is being accurately reported throughout the entire country?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31440/w31440.pdf

            https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2020-10/working-paper-60.pdf

  3. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O'Keefe

    The claim that VP Harris was the "border czar" is false news. As best I can tell her responsibilities were limited to working with 3 countries.

    1. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      Not what the Dems stated repeatedly 3 years ago. Changing history, one twisted dialogue at a time. Nope, that was not pig on the table this morning, that was bacon! She was assigned a task and failed miserably. She betrayed the country. Call it whatever you want. Harris is a marxist and a failure. Leading the Dem Party…..

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        No, what the media reported, not what the administration said. Get it straight. There are no quotes, anywhere, around 'czar' attributable to the administration. https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/kamala-harris/vice-president-harris-border-czar-claims-misleading-fact-check/536-1f49fa77-10b7-402b-aac5-acb9dd59018b

      2. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        No, what the media reported, not what the administration said. Get it straight. There are no quotes, anywhere, around 'czar' attributable to the administration. https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/kamala-harris/vice-president-harris-border-czar-claims-misleading-fact-check/536-1f49fa77-10b7-402b-aac5-acb9dd59018b

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Please ….

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20the,the%20formal%20title%20%22czar%22.

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Crowdsourced wisdom?

      3. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O'Keefe

        Read this—https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/jul/24/republican-national-committee-republican/border-czar-kamala-harris-assigned-to-tackle-immig/

        1. Clarity77 Avatar
          Clarity77

          Can you do us a favor and post a link that works. Neither one you posted is valid apparently.
          In the meantime, given that illegal immigrants have come from at last count over 150 countries do you really think she was given the directive to deal with only 3! C'mon man the audience you are here posting to is not going to buy that. Do us a favor and make some sense.

          Unless of course Biden figured she was sure enough nothing but a DEI hire and did not have the ability to handle more than 3 countries. Now that would make sense. Have you seen her interview with Lester Holt where he points out she actually at that moment had not even visited the border? But she's perfectly capable to handle the Oval Office job according to the demoncrat party. Cackling her way around the country is not going to cut it. Hate to have to point that out.

          1. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O'Keefe

            If you can’t open the link, try googling it. It should be easy to factcheck what her assigned responsibilities really were. As best I can tell the term Czar came from republicans, if you can call them that, and not from the White House.

          2. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            Of course it did not come from the White House as "czar" is not in keeping with leftist approved nomenclature. Its origin clearly comes from the right in the form of snark which is perfectly designed to poke fun at someone who is clearly incompetent. And where there is no known or defined slot, then it opens the door and is fair game for a label of one's own choosing to be used.

            As to googling "assigned responsibilities" what's the point as Lester Holt nailed her in that interview as to the common sense of making a trip to actually view the situation herself which being incompetent she sure enough apparently had not given even thought to doing such. Which of course resulted in a cringe moment of embarrassment for Commiela.

          3. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O'Keefe

            So, the choice is someone the cult attacks or the incompetent orange man who wants to rip up the Constitution. Before you react to my last comment, please fact check Trump on getting rid of the Constitution.

          4. Clarity77 Avatar
            Clarity77

            I don’t know how to put it in a nice way but it is obvious you are clueless as to either using or suggesting the use of google as an objective source present day when it comes to political topics. For a company hq’ed in San Francisco do you really think they are going to post anything remotely favorable to any thing conservative? It has been especially in the past few days pointed out on social media that googling topics such as “Trump rally” or “Trump assassination” yields a bizarrely left slanted result. If you personally are able to discern between truth and propaganda google would not serve you well when attempting to present a valid viewpoint. If you doubt me then do yourself a favor and check out that which I relate to you.

    2. kls Avatar
      kls

      ReRead the White House statement of March 24th

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/03/24/remarks-by-president-biden-and-vice-president-harris-in-a-meeting-on-immigration/

        “In addition to that, there’s about five other major things she’s handling, but I’ve asked her, the VP, today — because she’s the most qualified person to do it — to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle and the countries that help — are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks, stemming the migration to our southern border”

    3. Clarity77 Avatar
      Clarity77

      If facts as to Harris' Biden designated role are important to you, you might benefit from the following:
      https://cis.org/Krikorian/Oped-Course-Harris-Was-Border-Czar?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwqre1BhAqEiwA7g9Qhkek7LTXrTeR0sNnD3d7QJkZpFNV5RSI2v-Zh-Wxk5U7T8w7N1WuHxoCliAQAvD_BwE

      1. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O'Keefe

        Here is my fact check source—https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/jul/24/republican-national-committee-republican/border-czar-kamala-harris-assigned-to-tackle-immig/

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          A clean link:

          https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/jul/24/republican-national-committee-republican/border-czar-kamala-harris-assigned-to-tackle-immig/

    4. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      "Kamala Harris in a new role, taking the lead on the border crisis."

      ABC News.

      Quit trying to gaslight people.

      Everybody called her the border czar and she never objected. Until now.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NXoooO8Ego

      1. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O'Keefe

        Just fact check. As the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, we are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          The Dem controlled House passed a resolution celebrating Harris as the Border Czar. Biden made a statement that he had placed her in charge of fixing illegal immigration. Those are facts.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          The Dem controlled House passed a resolution celebrating Harris as the Border Czar. Biden made a statement that he had placed her in charge of fixing illegal immigration. Those are facts.

          1. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O'Keefe

            Please cite your sources.

          2. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O'Keefe

            Please cite your sources.

  4. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Those who support illegals should get aid and abet charges.

    1. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Should they? Including those who support the progeny of Friedrich Trump? https://www.history.com/news/donald-trump-father-mother-ancestry

    2. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Should they? Including those who support the progeny of Friedrich Trump? https://www.history.com/news/donald-trump-father-mother-ancestry

    3. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      Should they? Including those who support the progeny of Friedrich Trump? https://www.history.com/news/donald-trump-father-mother-ancestry

  5. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    Public hanging, on the border wall.

    1. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      Sends a positive message…a lasting impression for all…no Kamala word salad here.

  6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Not an undocumented immigrant…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/efd898684f4e9ef2fb3d2d832a20154dc2057127734240908a9877e06e1153d9.jpg

    1. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      He is documented now! Off to the wall with the rest.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “He” was documented all along. Once again, the real criminals are born and raised Americans not immigrants. Your “wall” comment is senseless but really all you have left.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “He” was documented all along. Once again, the real criminals are born and raised Americans not immigrants. Your “wall” comment is senseless but really all you have left.

        1. Chip Gibson Avatar
          Chip Gibson

          Of course. No National Security issues here. White House: "The Border is Secure"….nothing to see here. The 12 Million new illegal invaders are here to help…

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Again, the largest seizure in history… a US citizen. That equals a secure border and not an undocumented immigrant to be seen…

  7. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    24 March 2021 – Liberal BBC – "Announcing Ms Harris's appointment as his immigration czar, Mr Biden told reporters and officials at the White House: "She's the most qualified person to do it, to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle [Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador], and the countries that are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks – stemming the migration to our southern border"."

    Let us attempt to apply a bit of logic here. What is the most fundamental, undeniable, fixture of immigration control? That would be a well defined and defended border. Immigration and border are inseperable. Enough of the name games, Dems. Your party and administration have intentionally inflicted grave damage upon our Nation in order to gain political power and control.

    1. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

  8. John Harvie Avatar
    John Harvie

    Did the lady leave her engine running? Souds like maybe she did…

    1. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      Maybe she did or left the keys in the car, so what? Blame the victim,eh? You probably think all women that are sexually assaulted asked for it.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        I'm not "blaming her" per se so don't paint me with that brush. Your post is pure BS and you should be smart enough to discern my meaning.

        Evidently you are not smart enough to differentiate a comment from a stance.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Apparently, certain Kias and Hyundais can be taken easily using a thumb drive as a key. The plastic on the steering column is popped off with a screwdriver and there’s a slot into which the thumb drive is inserted. Twisting the thumb drive disengages the steering wheel lock and starts the car.

          More likely than not, this car thief would have driven the car to a legitimate garage where a good upstanding American businessman would have stripped it for parts.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Apparently, certain Kias and Hyundais can be taken easily using a thumb drive as a key. The plastic on the steering column is popped off with a screwdriver and there’s a slot into which the thumb drive is inserted. Twisting the thumb drive disengages the steering wheel lock and starts the car.

          More likely than not, this car thief would have driven the car to a legitimate garage where a good upstanding American businessman would have stripped it for parts.

        3. James Kiser Avatar
          James Kiser

          It is your job as any person learns in communications class to posit you meaning clearly . I suggest you edit your post so you say what you mean.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Seems like everyone else understood perfectly…🤷‍♂️

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Seems like everyone else understood perfectly…🤷‍♂️

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Are you asking about the victim, or the author? The term “unattended running engine” definitely applies to one of them.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        Definitely not the victim. Clever of you!

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    What is Kerry's basis for labeling this as a result of Kamala Harris and the Biden administration policies? The link she provides says, according to ICE, the man "entered the U.S. as a “gotaway” at an unknown time & location." It could have just as well been five years ago when Trump was president.

    1. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      Sure, Dick. Whatever meets the dem narrative. Actually, this individual could have hitched a ride with Ilhan Omar when she was shipped into the United States from Mogadishu.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        It seems to be whatever meets Kerry's narrative, even if she has to make it up.

        1. Chip Gibson Avatar
          Chip Gibson

          Don't think we know yet either way. So, have a fine evening.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            That was my point.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Ilhan Omar, with her family, fled Somalia during a civil war. She then spent four years in a Kenyan refugee camp. She was then granted asylyum in the United States. I hardly would call that being "shipped" to the U.S. https://web.archive.org/web/20180709064727/http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/profiles/2016/11/09/Ilhan-Omar-elected-first-Somali-American-legislator-in-the-US.html

  10. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Where's the partial troll? A couple of weeks ago we had this conversation. He insisted that illegals were more law abiding than American citizens and had lower crime rates. I argued that the relative crime rates were immaterial, that each crime committed by an illegal was one more than would have been committed had they not been here illegally.

    It is so sad that the issue is demonstrated with a death right here in Virginia. What say you now troll? What do you have to say to this woman, oh she can't hear you, or her elderly mother about how illegals have lower crime rates than citizens and we should welcome them? How many additional deaths will it take to make you happy?

  11. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    Very interesting that a comment suggesting the hanging of a murderer is deleted from the posts, as hanging remains a legal form of punishment is several states, as well as firing squad. A bit sensitive here?

    1. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      "Crime, Corrections, Law Enforcement, Immigration"….

    2. CJBova Avatar
      CJBova

      It was flagged by a commenter who went on a rampage of flagging which put it in a pending review file after my Checking earlier today . I just approved and restored it.

      1. Chip Gibson Avatar
        Chip Gibson

        Thanks, with compliments.

      2. Clarity77 Avatar
        Clarity77

        As to the commenter who went on a rampage of flagging. No doubt an individual with TDS. I will add this to the next psychiatry textbook in the ever expanding list of acknowledged classical signs of TDS.

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      So you are for capital punishment for misdemeanor offenses now… is that the Conservative position?

      1. WayneS Avatar
        WayneS

        Murder is a misdemeanor?

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          The comment to which he referred (that he thought had been deleted):

          “Public hanging, on the border wall.”

          It says nothing about murder.

          1. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            It was in reference to a person who killed a lady during a carjacking.

            Seems like everyone else understood perfectly…🤷‍♂️

          2. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            It was in reference to a person who killed a lady during a carjacking.

            Seems like everyone else understood perfectly…🤷‍♂️

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “It was in reference to a person who killed a lady during a carjacking.”

            Sure it was… 😉

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “It was in reference to a person who killed a lady during a carjacking.”

            Sure it was… 😉

          5. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            I see. Only you may take things out of context.

          6. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            I see. Only you may take things out of context.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I took nothing out of context… my 😉 is there to acknowledge the context….

          8. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            Okay, then, I'll revise it to "only you may intentionally misinterpret comments".

            The original comment was made as a direct response to the article, not to anyone else's comments about illegal aliens in general.

          9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The plain language of his comment demonstrates that I misrepresented nothing…

          10. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            I did not say you misrepresented anything. I said you misinterpreted it (intentionally).

            So basically, if one is to participate in a discussion in your presence, one needs to restate everything that has previously been said before one makes any kind of additional comment, lest you accuse them of saying something they never said.

            Unless, of course, one has the exact same opinions as you, in which case one can say anything one wants about anything or anybody without fear of criticism.

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well first intentionally misinterpreting is indeed a form of misrepresentation. I did neither. The intent is exactly what he said and exactly what I heard… as did every anti-immigrant extremist reading his comment.

          12. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well first intentionally misinterpreting is indeed a form of misrepresentation. I did neither. The intent is exactly what he said and exactly what I heard… as did every anti-immigrant extremist reading his comment.

          13. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            The person was talking about executing a murderer, not a misdemeanant. That is 100% clear to any reasonable person reading his thread.

            You are simply wrong on this one. You have made a vile and unjust accusation against a fellow commenter, and if you are capable of feeling shame, you should be ashamed of yourself.

          14. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            The person was talking about executing a murderer, not a misdemeanant. That is 100% clear to any reasonable person reading his thread.

            You are simply wrong on this one. You have made a vile and unjust accusation against a fellow commenter, and if you are capable of feeling shame, you should be ashamed of yourself.

          15. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Simply untrue – personal insults aside.

            I will give you one small explanation (even though you don’t deserve it nor do I need to defend my plain reading of his plain words). When the deleted comment which followed his original comment pointed out that such imagery is consistent with the tyranny depicted in The Hand Maiden’s Tale in which any person found crossing the boarder was executed by hanging with the body left as an example for others, he wrote:

            “Sends a positive message… a lasting impression for all…”

            He provides his own context with this response and demonstrates that I did not misinterpret his remarks at all.

            You are right about one thing, I feel no shame but the reason is because I am correct and no shame is warranted.

            This has been an interesting exercise but I must now do something useful with my time.

  12. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    Amazing how many come out in such rabid defense of the invasion destroying our country.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Your so-called “invasion” is and always has been central to the success of our country.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Then Congress should legalize open borders. That has not happened. Our elected officials in Congress have never passed laws supporting unfettered immigration.

        The problem is that the senile clown in the White House had no intention of enforcing the laws Congress passed about immigration.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “Our elected officials in Congress have never passed laws supporting unfettered immigration.”

          For most of the history of this country, immigration was largely unfettered and our country succeeded as a result.

          Even in recent times if you were the right kind of immigrant, your entry was largely unfettered. Make it here from Cuba you were in if just one foot hits soil. Historically, Chinese immigrants faced a few more… shall we say… hurdles…

  13. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Hate to say if but this sort of thing has been going on in Loudoun County since the 1990s. Fortunately, Sheriff Chapman is a no-nonsense lawman and the Commonwealth's Attorney is no longer Butta B.

  14. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    It's way past time to fix this. Pass legislation that: 1) requires proof of financial ability, including a bona fide, written job offer, to support oneself and one's family or have a sponsor sign a guarantee before one can immigrate to the U.S. (just like those of us who adopted children have been required to prove); 2) tighten up on asylum requirements so that solid proof must be provided up front; 3) require anyone seeking asylum to seek it at the first safe nation closest to the persons' home county (i.e., you can't decide you want to come to the U.S. if other countries are safe); 4) anyone caught lying or presenting false information in an asylum application is barred for life from entering the U.S.; 5) make it a separate felony for anyone to assist an asylum applicant make a false or misleading statement;

    5) authorize DACA by statute; 6) limit chain immigration to a person, spouse and minor children; 7) give any illegal immigrant in the U.S. for five year and without a criminal record a non-immigrant visa; 8) require every person or entity hiring an employee or independent contractor for 20 working days per year to use E-Verify; 9) provide a cash reward for anyone turning in an employer or party using an independent contractor in violation of the E-Verify rules; 10) prohibit anyone not in full compliance with E-Verify rules from deducting any compensation paid to a person or entity for services on a federal income tax return; and 11) provide a way for a business to hire guest workers without criminal records, with labor law protections for the workers, upon showing that resident workers are not available when offered the prevailing wage & make it a felony to falsify information.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      E-Verify needs some examination. There are reports that illegals who came here to work routinely pass E-Verify checks by their employees. That's a lot of SS numbers. How are they obtained, and does E-Verify maintain records of how many times each is used?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        there was a large employer in Georgia 20, 25 years ago had 100s of employees on a handful of SSNs. I want to say Monsanto.

      2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        How about continuous improvement? Instead of paying for flights for immigrants to come to the U.S. (gee, guess who had to pay for my kids' flights from Korea to DCA), put the money towards improving E-Verify and protecting against SS fraud. Maybe furnishing an invalid SSN should be a felony with a five-year sentence, and using one by an illegal immigrant should be grounds for summary deportation and strip federal courts from jurisdiction to review.

        Article III, Section 1:

        The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          While I don't like policy (or law) by anecdote, I am aware of a guy who came here to work and send money home. He paid for brick houses for multiple family members, put two kids through college and socked enough away to retire on. He'd have been a good citizen if here legally, but he didn't want to be a U.S. citizen. What he wanted was the wages to improve the living standards of his family in Mexico.

          He periodically would go home to Mexico to see his family. Each time he came back he would have a different last name and SS#.

          His employer loved him, he was highly skilled and worked 7 days a week in part because he did not want to leave his employer's place and risk running into the cops, and because what he was here for was the money. He got that by working, and the overtime wages were especially attractive.

          Last time he headed south it was for good, he retired to live on his earnings, leaving his contributions to SS and Medicare, as well as some Fed and State income tax withholdings here.

          I was aware of several other guys with similar histories. Clearly they had no trouble, just some expense, in obtaining valid SS numbers that gave their employers a fig leaf to hide behind. Dunno where they got them, whether it was the same organizations that smuggled them across the border or a different operation.

          Whatever it was, it was effective at making a mockery of our employee verification laws. It lead me to the cynical view that E-Verify was designed to allow employment of illegals and to let authorities look the other way. I look with a jaundiced eye at professions of outrage that millions of illegals are working here. Employers get cheap labor, Gov't gets FICA taxes, and American workers get screwed.

          I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to find there are phony E-Verify numbers provided to the government to facilitate employment of illegals in America.

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            You are ignoring my proposal to provide non-immigrant visas to all who entered here illegally say 5 or more years ago and who don't have a criminal record. They could work in the open.

            If there is a problem with false SS numbers, let's go after those people who provide them. I suspect that in a lot of cases, the employer is involved. So, go after them and impose a big fine for the first offense and jail time for anything subsequent. Employers should be judged by the "knew or should have known" standard. Or allow the "private attorney general" approach to apply. Employers can be sued, pay a big civil penalty and attorney fees. We lawyers will get them.

            And if the vast number of illegal immigrants here had non-immigrant visas, how hard would it be to hire workers legally? What many businesses really want is illegal workers who can be paid less than market wage and don't give a darn about the impact on American workers. So, if bad things happen to these people, who cares?

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Not sure if I like the idea of rewarding illegals with legal status after they hang out here for awhile. Seems more an incentive for more illegal behavior than a solution to the problem.

            In my experience the employer's involvement has been to say "I am required to validate employees legality to work here, and E-Verify is the method the government requires me to use to do that. Thank you for providing the information I need to follow the law.". The employer has not been part of providing or obtaining the phony SS numbers. It would be hard to go after employers. "He said his name was MacNamara and provided proof. How was I to know he was really Garcia? Shocked, I'm shocked!"

            If you give 'em all visas it still depresses wages for native workers by flooding the market with cheap labor. Excess supply over demand, even less the discount for illegality, still depresses wages.

            The people I met were honest (mostly, except for immigration), hard working people. They would have made good neighbors and citizens. I'd argue for making our system better by facilitating honest entry and making illegal entry more difficult while penalizing illegal entry rather than rewarding it.

            Your incentive seems upside down to me.

          3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Deporting everyone who is here illegally would create a significant disruption to the economy. But giving them a pathway to citizenship like what occurred in 1986 is bad public policy, sends a signal to keep coming to the U.S. illegally and is slap in the face to anyone who followed the rules. A friend of mine suggested non-immigrant visas as a middle ground. I raised all sorts of questions and arguments against his proposal. But he had good answers for everything I raised. Therefore, I agreed with his position. It's a compromise between giving away citizenship and deporting everyone.

            Both the FCC and the FTC hold voice service providers liable for their customers' illegal robocalls if the provider "knew or had reason to know" that their customers or their customers' customers were making illegal calls. The same standard should be applied to businesses that know or have reason to know a job applicant or an independent contractor is presenting a fake SSN or otherwise providing false information that he/she is eligible to work in the U.S. Impose fines, negative tax results or even jail time will force businesses to follow the rules. Hurting a business' bottom line will coerce following the rules.

            Legal immigration is good. Many of my neighbors in Wake Forest are immigrants but they came here legally. They couldn't afford the houses otherwise.

            But just like everyone who adopted a child from overseas, people immigrating should be able to support themselves or have a sponsor ready to support them. Moving to the U.S. should not make one or their dependents eligible for government benefits. If they can do this, I don't care where they come from; I welcome them.

            If we need guest workers, let's authorize them, making it possible to bring them in and give them protections of labor laws but not a way to stay permanently.

          4. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            You only needed to demonstrate your financial fitness at the time of the adoption. Your kids are free to receive if you die or fall on hard times. They’re not barred forever and ever, amen. Why should legal immigrants of any other sort be held to a different standard? Surely, you pay in, you can receive back. Anything less is just punitive and cruel.

          5. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            This doesn't make sense. Of course, things can change in the future. Five years down the road, a parent could be paralyzed in an accident, requiring public assistance. And it should apply to children and adults alike. But for the near term, what is so unfair about making immigrants have sufficient economic wherewithal to support themselves or have a sponsor ready to support them when they arrive, just like parents adopting children from overseas?

            Did you notice the impact on local budgets and services when Biden's open-door policy brought floods of immigrants to cities around the U.S.?

            My old law school torts professor, who later become a Democratic commissioner on the FCC, used to tell us regularly "Every tub must stand on its own bottom." When you move to another country, you need to be ready to support oneself and/or have a sponsor ready to help. It's wrong to expect taxpayers to support you.

          6. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            His kids are U.S. citizens. They have the same rights and responsibilities as all U.S. citizens.

          7. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            They weren’t when they arrived. Citizenship had to be obtained, they were naturalized after arrival.

          8. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            If his children are older than about 30 years, you may be correct. But in the 1990s Federal law changed so that the adopted child becomes a citizen as soon as he/she passes through customs in the United States.

          9. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            If his children are older than about 30 years, you may be correct. But in the 1990s Federal law changed so that the adopted child becomes a citizen as soon as he/she passes through customs in the United States.

          10. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            That's correct. We had to go through the naturalization process for my daughter but when my son arrived it citizenship came with adoption. But we still had to go through all the proof of income and assets for both children.

          11. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            It’s still not an automatic process for all and requires various steps. You’re making my point tho. There’s zero difference between kids who were legally brought to the U.S. and ended up on the wrong side of the law and those who legally immigrate and wind up in need of govt assistance (which literally has temporary in the name). All immigrants, whatever their means of arrival, should be treated like any other legal resident or citizen. Not a fan of actively differentiating between HOW people obtain their legal status. Can you explain how that is NOT fundamentally unfair and creating different classes of legal residency/citizenship? https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/12/16/international-adoption-does-not-guarantee-adoptees-us-citizenship/6310358002/

          12. WayneS Avatar
            WayneS

            Citizenship is an automatic process for children adopted from foreign countries by U.S. citizens and brought back to the U.S. by their parents.

          13. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            This doesn't make sense. Of course, things can change in the future. Five years down the road, a parent could be paralyzed in an accident, requiring public assistance. And it should apply to children and adults alike. But for the near term, what is so unfair about making immigrants have sufficient economic wherewithal to support themselves or have a sponsor ready to support them when they arrive, just like parents adopting children from overseas?

            Did you notice the impact on local budgets and services when Biden's open-door policy brought floods of immigrants to cities around the U.S.?

            My old law school torts professor, who later become a Democratic commissioner on the FCC, used to tell us regularly "Every tub must stand on its own bottom." When you move to another country, you need to be ready to support oneself and/or have a sponsor ready to help. It's wrong to expect taxpayers to support you.

          14. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            What’s so unfair is that any number of unpredictable circumstances can befall someone as soon as they set foot on our shores, legally, to include being shot randomly AND that if this standard were a universally held value add, most European immigrants wouldn’t have been allowed in either. It’s selectively proposed and applied when immigrants are seen as undesirable when, in hindsight, each and every migrant wave, no matter how poor and needy, has reinvigorated the nation with new foods, ideas, and energy and made us better.

          15. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            You make an interesting argument. Maybe there is some merit in non-immigrant visas, I gotta think about it some more, and will.

            It's easy to identify what employers do, use E-Verify to qualify workers. It's a lot harder to prove bad intent on the part of employers. It would take a lot more than just having verified people who were later determined to be illegals.

            Your last question is the right one "<u>If</u> we need guest workers". The answer is that need is not a given. Our labor participation rate has not recovered to pre covid levels, a smaller percentage of citizens are participating in the labor force than pre covid. Nor have wages kept pace with inflation, so real earnings for those working are down too. With adequate real wages would we have the citizen workers we need?

            Why are real wages and labor participation lower than they have been? One reason may be that illegal workers, are taking jobs that citizens would take if wages rose to make that attractive. If wages rose to attract citizen workers they would also more than keep pace with inflation by increasing wages in real terms. Excess supply may well be keeping wages artificially low for all workers and discouraging others from seeking work.

            That is also the argument for why employers are willing to use E-Verify and look the other way. It keeps their labor costs low. It is a classic case of capitalism exploiting labor and using government regulation to do it. That is a condition our mixed system of government was designed to moderate. It has at least kept the excesses of capitalism from killing us all, as it tends to do if it is unrestrained. However, workers are arguably poorer than they would be if illegal labor was effectively restrained.

            Legitimizing illegals as you propose seems likely to increase the non citizen labor supply and even further reduce wages for citizen workers. We have visa quotas for non citizen workers who enter the country legally. Those can be expanded if needed. Why not use them to meet demand with legal immigrants instead of rewarding those who have entered the country illegally?

            It seems your friend is really advocating for old school capitalist/Repub exploitation of labor by expanding supply in relation to demand by legitimizing illegal immigrants. He or she needs to get on board the new Repub populism that advocates for citizen workers, or at least says it does.

          16. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            I agree with much of what you wrote. And I don't fully buy the argument that illegal immigrants do the work that Americans won't do. Raise the pay and many of these unfillable positions will be filed with citizens and lawful residents. Also, I've seen a number of articles that explain that the availability of illegal labor also businesses to avoid investment in technology that can replace unskilled labor.

            My proposal on E-Verify does not focus on bad intent, which, as you say, may be hard to prove. Rather, I propose using the "knew or had reason to know" standard.

            Here's how the SBA's rules against program fraud defines "knew or had reason to know" standard. 13 CFR § 142.6 "What does the phrase 'know or have reason to know' mean?
            A person knows or has reason to know (that a claim or statement is false) if the person:

            "(a) Has actual knowledge that the claim or statement is false, fictitious, or fraudulent; or

            "(b) Acts in deliberate ignorance of the truth or falsity of the claim or statement; or

            "(c) Acts in reckless disregard of the truth or falsity of the claim or statement."

            It would be pretty easy to nail employers hiring ineligible workers under this standard. Many of them close their eyes and don't do any due diligence. Under this standard, they would be violating the law and subject to fines.

            I do, however, agree that mass deportation of everyone here illegally would cause a huge disruption of the economy. So, I buy into my friend's proposal as a compromise. It protects the status quo without granting a path to citizenship that tells the world we won't enforce our immigration laws.

          17. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Are you arguing that using E-Verify is doing no due diligence?

            If an applicant says they're legal and provides a valid SS# to prove it would seem hard to prove A actual, B deliberate or C reckless knowledge, ignorance or disregard. You're the lawyer, not me, but that seems a hard case to make with competent counsel on the defense.

            The status quo is the suppression of wages for citizens through the use of illegals or as you propose, non-immigrants. That's not something I could support or consider a valid compromise.

            Doing something for people who have been here for an extended period, worked and kept their noses clean is another question, and one deserving consideration. Legitimizing their use as scab labor to suppress the employment and wages of citizens is not.

          18. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            It's my understanding that an employer is supposed to verify an applicant's SSN as part of the E-Verify process. https://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnv.htm

            I know that many employers do this. But I bet many don't even check.

            If one checks the SSN through the SSA's system and it comes back that the applicant's other paperwork identifies him/her as the applicant and the SSA says the number matches the applicant, I don't think that the employer has any risk. But how many simply accept a card with a number and a name? How many don't verify with the IRS.

            While I don't like DJT, I did support his directive to the SSA to send out no-match letters to employers when an employee's SSN didn't match their records. Of course, Biden stopped sending the letters.

            I do appreciate your position on deporting illegal workers. I guess we just agree to disagree.

      3. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        there was a large employer in Georgia 20, 25 years ago had 100s of employees on a handful of SSNs. I want to say Monsanto.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          The new E-Verify supposedly prevents multiple uses of SS numbers, but I dunno if it actually works that way. It could be as stupid as validating each submission and not keeping a record of the SS number and name submitted. I would hope not.

          My impression is that there is a big market for valid unduplicated SS numbers, and nobody is very curious about it. The ones I'm aware of, although I never saw the actual payroll records, apparently had different names and SS numbers each time they entered the country.

          One thing I am sure of is that no earnings other than my own were ever credited to my SS account. Guess we could just be happy that 7.65% of wages, doubled to 15.3% with the employer match, are contributing to SS and Medicare solvency since they will never be collected, But that would be wrong.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          The new E-Verify supposedly prevents multiple uses of SS numbers, but I dunno if it actually works that way. It could be as stupid as validating each submission and not keeping a record of the SS number and name submitted. I would hope not.

          My impression is that there is a big market for valid unduplicated SS numbers, and nobody is very curious about it. The ones I'm aware of, although I never saw the actual payroll records, apparently had different names and SS numbers each time they entered the country.

          One thing I am sure of is that no earnings other than my own were ever credited to my SS account. Guess we could just be happy that 7.65% of wages, doubled to 15.3% with the employer match, are contributing to SS and Medicare solvency since they will never be collected, But that would be wrong.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You don’t think SSA would tell you that 10 people at Tyson’s Chicken are also contributing to your benefit, do you? Not like they’re going to give you $50/month more on your benefit.

            As for the excess going into SSA help keeping it solvent, I’ll bet my dollar to your dime Federal law prevents SSA from informing ICE… privacy, donchakno.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You don’t think SSA would tell you that 10 people at Tyson’s Chicken are also contributing to your benefit, do you? Not like they’re going to give you $50/month more on your benefit.

            As for the excess going into SSA help keeping it solvent, I’ll bet my dollar to your dime Federal law prevents SSA from informing ICE… privacy, donchakno.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            The reports I got from SS showed my annual earnings all the way back to my first job at 15. SS seemed pretty good at applying all the wages reported under my SS number to me.

            What would SS be reporting to ICE? Again my impression is that folks were presenting valid individual SS#s, not hordes using the same numbers as at the packing plant you cited.

            That gets back to my original curiosity, what is the source of the pool of valid SS numbers that are being sold to illegals, and how is it being accessed so they can work here? There does not seem to be any curiosity on the government side, and the employers who benefit from the cheap labor are not going to bitch.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            RNC? They can trace anything but the things they don’t try.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            RNC? They can trace anything but the things they don’t try.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Watching the cognitive dissonance as the Repubs old school country club elites grapple with the populism Trump espouses and doubled down on with Vance is fun. I'm afraid you'd have to elect him to get any action out of SS or ICE on illegals with SS#s. But, it's a nice thought.

          7. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Watching the cognitive dissonance as the Repubs old school country club elites grapple with the populism Trump espouses and doubled down on with Vance is fun. I'm afraid you'd have to elect him to get any action out of SS or ICE on illegals with SS#s. But, it's a nice thought.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            By now most people understand what was meant when Nancy Pelosi said, “we’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it,” in this case, “Let’s not!”

            ** https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Of course, you'd have to have a competent administration to enforce any of your ideas. That is something we don't have now with Biden/ Harris.

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-migrant-sponsorship-program-paused-cuba-haiti-nicaragua-venezuela/

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Do you have permission from the WaPo's editorial board not to be in awe of Biden-Harris? At least Bill Clinton used to say it's wrong for the people who follow the rules to get screwed by the federal government.

  15. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    You only needed to demonstrate your financial fitness at the time of the adoption. Your kids are free to receive if you die or fall on hard times. They’re not barred forever and ever, amen. Why should legal immigrants of any other sort be held to a different standard? Surely, you pay in, you can receive back. Anything less is just punitive and cruel.

  16. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    You only needed to demonstrate your financial fitness at the time of the adoption. Your kids are free to receive if you die or fall on hard times. They’re not barred forever and ever, amen. Why should legal immigrants of any other sort be held to a different standard? Surely, you pay in, you can receive back. Anything less is just punitive and cruel.

  17. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    You only needed to demonstrate your financial fitness at the time of the adoption. Your kids are free to receive if you die or fall on hard times. They’re not barred forever and ever, amen. Why should legal immigrants of any other sort be held to a different standard? Surely, you pay in, you can receive back. Anything less is just punitive and cruel.

  18. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    the goal?
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/04/uk/uk-riots-rotherham-southport-intl/index.html

    1. WayneS Avatar
      WayneS

      What's the problem? The protests look 'mostly peaceful' to me…

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Like tourons walking through the Capital… somebody should have explained the silhouettes on the doors to them first.

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