We Need to Listen

Mark Warner has raised the discussion of Biden’s future to a whole new level.

by Joe Fitzgerald

Virginia Senator Mark Warner is a cautious man. That’s not a negative in a world where public figures seem to have magazines full of tweets ready to load at a moment’s notice. He also trusts his own judgment. He’s got half a billion dollars in the bank, so maybe he should. When he makes a major move in a year he’s not on the ballot, he’s likely not doing it for the money or the votes.

That’s why his concerns about President Biden should carry more weight than, just for instance, the NYTimes editorial page. He doesn’t want the job himself but, even if he does, he’s smart enough to know he has less chance than Harry does of being king. He’s smart enough to know that he has enough political capital to affect the conversation, and that he may not have as much when this is all over. So, the question becomes what’s in it for him.

It’s hard to find an answer that doesn’t come down to duty and love of country. He’ll still be a rich United States Senator regardless of who’s president. He doesn’t have a personal stake in whether Biden or Trump wins, except for the desire to live in a country that’s not run by a felonious, adulterous, lying megalomaniac. But your mileage may vary. Maybe you just can’t believe in patriotism. You love your country and you don’t want to live in the one Trump will create, but you can’t quite give the benefit of the doubt to any elected officials.

But having someone of Warner’s stature, and caution, raising questions means we ought to be paying attention and not just taking a side. On the one hand, Biden won the primaries and has the delegates to win the nomination. That’s how our system works. On the other hand, his dismal performance at the debate has to be balanced against two things. One is that he’s had some good appearances since then. The other is that now we know he’s capable of the kind of lapse that made Trump look good by comparison.

Distinctions about critical things require nuance. They require sensible people in leadership roles to shape the discussion and provide context. Is it fair to think Biden should consider stepping aside because of the perception that he can’t run the country, or does he deserve a chance to refute that perception? Or is the political reality that he can’t recover, that there isn’t time to repair the debate’s damage? Does fairness to Biden mean more than that political reality? Does one man’s right to accept the nomination he won outweigh the damage to the country if he loses in November?

Warner joining this discussion doesn’t mean he gets to decide. He gets to try bringing enough senators together to guide Biden’s thinking. He’s brought it to that level. Media pundits, political donors, and keyboard warriors may hold strong opinions, but under our system, decisions are made by those who’ve won an election.

I met Warner 25 years ago when someone needed an elected Democrat to attend a meeting and the other two in the Valley were busy. I still go to his advisory group dinners and I still talk to his staff. I respect him enough to think if he has concerns, we should listen. Naturally, those with ironclad loyalty to Biden will question Warner’s motives; that’s also how our system works. I’m willing to give him credit for caring about the country’s future; specifically, whether it will have one.

Joe Fitzgerald is a former mayor of Harrisonburg. This column his republished with permission from Still Not Sleeping.


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108 responses to “We Need to Listen”

  1. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Not a fan of Warner. Still a player for Team D. Always campaigns as a "moderate," but reliably votes Team D.
    I don't know if this is more than preservation of his image. During the RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA hoax (and for which none of the hoaxers were punished), Warner was initially with Schiff, proclaiming the reality of RUSSIARUSSIARUSSIA. Then he mysteriously dropped out and it was left to Schiff to do the daily lying, saying the Intelligence Committee had the evidence. To his (mild) credit, Warner quit doing that. I think mostly for self-preservation – he could have said the truth – Schiff is lying his @$$ off! But he didn't. Team D uber alles.
    Meanwhile, all you plebes on Team D – seriously? You didn't know? You didn't know in 2020? He's a cipher. An amoral grifter traitor. The laptop was real. The money trail is real. Ashley Biden's diary is real. His plagiarism and fabulism has been known HIS ENTIRE 50+ year career. Everything you zealots every day project as the dangers of Donald Trump, Biden has done, and Trump did not do in his 4 years, even while being illegally and deceitfully resisted by his own executive bureaucray and many in his party.
    So, what's more important to you? The country and our REPUBLICan norms of democracy? Or power? Most of you know the answer for yourselves, and it is the very authoritarian desire to control others. And then one day the authoriatarians will come for you… Naomi Wolf has been red-pilled. So have many others. Do you want liberty and freedom? Or power? Maybe, when mindlessly repeating "Save our democracy" (which really means keep us in power), you should have the humility to realize that maybe those people you look down on and seem to hate have a point, and are in this instance, right.

  2. Rafaelo Avatar
    Rafaelo

    Agreed, this appears selfless statesmanship by Va.'s Sen. Warner. Win or lose he risks loss of clout, status, ongoing antipathy of some fellow Dems. That he loses is likely. Only two people now matter in Biden decision to run, or not to run: Biden himself and his supportive enabling wife. No matter how many well meaning Senators send a Best Wishes in Retirement card, Biden will not take the hint and retire from the race.

    This Virginia indepedent is considering a vote for "none of the above" in November. Virginia polls are shifting, it'll be close at best. In Virginia elections a few hundred, a dozen, or even one vote have determined the outcome. Given the choice we'll face, that vote won't be mine.

    1. You forgot to mention the 'smartest man i [he] know' according to Bugout Biden.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Apparently itโ€™s okay to mention enabling Democrat wives but not the Republican onesโ€ฆ

      https://nypost.com/article/ronald-reagans-wife-nancy-astrologer-joan-quigley/

    3. WayneS Avatar

      At this point, I would go with "exploitative" rather than "enabling".

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Where is Melania these daysโ€ฆ?

        1. WayneS Avatar

          I have no idea, but I'll bet she's nowhere near as eager (read: desperate) to see her husband elected president as Jill Biden is to see her husband elected.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            โ€ฆ or just to see her husbandโ€ฆ

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    My impression of Warner is that he's pretty much a straight shooter. He's a Dem, no question, but he's also a businessman and an independent thinker, a defense hawk.. and does well represent the interests of Virginia and Virginians.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      If Warner ran for president this Fall, I'd vote for him. Ditto Wes Moore and Larry Hogan.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Ditto, although I don't think Warner lusts after it..at all..

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    One thing you can count on is that if the Democrats managed to replace Biden with Harris, not one of the follow-up opinion pieces would use the word โ€œcacklingโ€, right?

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Correct. The term is "giggling" and the appellation is Giggles. But the electoral results would be unchanged. She is, if anything, less favorably viewed than demented Joe. Please, please Dems field actual candidates.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Well, therein lies the problem. "Anything" may be better, but it ain't electable. It will take an actual viable candidate to beat Trump.

        The Dems have their work cut out for them. It will not be easy. Fear and loathing of Trump will get the Dems about 25% (party faithful). They need 50% plus 1, twice that, to beat Trump. To do that they must field an actual candidate whose appeal is wider than the base's hatred of Trump.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Right. Trump is unelectable. So, stop working to elect him and then blaming others. Biden has done exceptionally well for 3 years. Do your part and vote for him.

          Only pundits are making hay.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Leftie wants Trump to winโ€ฆ as simple as that.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            The election is about the future, not the past. Past may be prologue, but in Biden's case the present and future is Parkinson's dementia. If Trump is unelectable then Biden is double unelectable.

            Don't be in denial. All the polls show Trump beating Biden, and with the exception of Bloomberg, all show the gap widening post debate.

            I have never voted for Trump or Biden and have no intention of voting for either of them this year. But go ahead Dems, force me to make the choice between pathological narcissism or senile dementia. I might have to choose one with a brain I don't like rather than one who has no brain left at all. That is in the unlikely event it is close, which it won't be. If Biden is the candidate he will suck Dems all down the ticket, Congress and states, down with him. How bad will it be? He will make McGovern and Dukakis look like winners.

            If you want a demonstration of Trump's electability and Dems in the wilderness, go ahead run brain dead, and getting deader by the day, demented Joe against him.

            If you want a chance to win, nominate actual candidates.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          โ€œ"Anything" may be better, but it ain't electable.โ€

          Oh yes it isโ€ฆ no questionโ€ฆ. except for RFK, Jr. that isโ€ฆ

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Poor poor troll, bereft of any rationality due to Trump derangement syndrome.

            Everyone in the country, and around the world for that matter, understood to their horror that they were experiencing Biden's dementia first hand in the debate and subsequent interview. Except you.

            You also miss that Trump is, and has been, running ahead of Biden, and that his margin, in all but one poll, has been increasing since the debate debacle.

            You also fail to understand that Trump's base is every bit as much behind him as you are behind Demented Joe. Base voters roughly balance each other out. The election will not turn on base voters, but on us Indys and other light red and light blue voters that are largely going for Trump this year. Trump won them in '16 and was elected. They sloshed to Biden in '20 and he won. This year they are back in the Trump camp.

            "Anything" ain't electable unless it can appeal to uncommitted voters who do not share your deranged hatred of Trump. Highly partisan "Anything", Dementia or Giggles do not reach those voters and will not win.

            Tremendously bad candidates, like Dementia Joe or Giggles will lose in a landslide that takes Congress and many states down with them. That is what is scaring the bejesus out of elected Dems and why they are taking the lead in urging Biden to drop out.

            Have a nice day, and please help the Dems field real candidates.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Now that your โ€œIโ€™m no Trumpsterโ€ facade has been removed, you are really working overtime. Unfortunately for you the โ€œanybody but Trumpโ€ vote will prevail.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Silly silly troll. Better spruce up your place under the bridge. You're going to need it when your delusions are smashed in November.

            Trump ain't much, but he will beat nothing every time. Please select real candidates.

            Have a nice day.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Yepโ€ฆ not the message Leftie wants to hear (anyone but Trump, that is) because thatโ€™s the message that beats Trump.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Not allowed to mention the madness of good king Donald.

          Tribunal for Liz Cheney?

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Not allowed to mention the madness of good king Donald.

          Tribunal for Liz Cheney?

        3. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Not allowed to mention the madness of good king Donald.

          Tribunal for Liz Cheney?

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Please, that's pathological narcissism.

          2. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Lefty, what did you expect?

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            I dunno, guess I cling to the unreasonable hope that the Dementocrats will come to their senses and nominate real candidates.

            With demented old Joe and the cult surrounding him accusing fellow party members of being out of touch elites because they acknowledge what their own eyes and ears tell them, and the deafening public silence of many who are privately freaked out, my hopes are dimming.

            It is beginning to remind me of Jonestown, or Joestown in the current iteration. Oh, here, drink some of this nice koolaid. We'll beat that evil qpeoirfj;, you know the thing, and leave the carcass to be eaten by cannibals like they did my uncle Bosey.

            Mums the word out of the Trump camp. They're in a win win. Either they get demented Joe to run against or likely Giggles if he is forced out. Either way the gap that we're seeing in the polls will continue to widen through election day.

            Get out the popcorn, it's not every day we get to watch a major political party implode.

          4. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I have a notion (not a theory) that neither Trump nor Biden will be the next President.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            We can only hope, and hope that the alternatives will be much better. But, it's sort of like the Russians waiting for Gorbachev after Brezhnev. The interim geezers until a new generation took over were pretty uninspiring.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            We can only hope, and hope that the alternatives will be much better. But, it's sort of like the Russians waiting for Gorbachev after Brezhnev. The interim geezers until a new generation took over were pretty uninspiring.

          7. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Here is my wildly unlikely scenario. Biden is convinced to resign ($50 to $100 million should convince Dr. Jill). Harris becomes the first female President, but agrees not to run in 2024. A viable candidate is put forward with the understanding that she (a woman would be best) does not run in 2028.

          8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            What was the delete excuse this timeโ€ฆ?

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I think it was the โ€œmad dogโ€ without the โ€œEnglishmanโ€.

          10. CJBova Avatar

            Last delete two days ago was personal attack on Walter.

      3. She did do wonders for the border

  5. Sen. Warner is on the right path…. throw all those votes out from the DNC's democratic process for the desires of the elites who know better

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Sen Warner is on the right path. It's not only the elites but 80% of American voters who say Biden is too old to be president. The whole damn country knows it except for those few party diehards who are still in denial.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I am tired of people saying that Biden is too old. Trump is only three years younger, for God's sake. Lots of folks have served at much older ages. Justice John Paul Stevens was 90 when he retired and he published three books after he retired. I know being a Supreme Court justice is not nearly as stressful as being President. My point is that Biden's age does not automatically mean he is mentally unfit to be President. Everyone ages differently. Biden has visibly declined significantly in the last year. Maybe it's Parkinson's. Maybe senility. Whatever. His mental and physical condition, not necessarily his age, are reasons he should quit.

        By the way, if Biden drops out of the race and the Democrats nominate someone else, how will Trump supporters respond to charges that Trump, at 78, is too old?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Psst, no matter who wins, an 81-year old man will be President.

          On the other hand, only one is openly talking military tribunals for American citizens.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Psst, wrong. If the one who is 81 now is elected he will be 82 and counting when his term starts.

            On the other hand only one is bragging that he beat Medicare.

            Get a real candidate, pretty please.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Okay, theyโ€™ll both be 82โ€ฆ thatโ€™s sooooo much better.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Not:)

          4. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            He beat Medicare …
            Inflation was at 9% when he was sworn in ….
            No American service members have been killed since he was elected president …
            Trump was referring to marching white supremacists when he made the "very fine people" remark …
            People paid $400 per insulin shot …
            He graduated in the top half of his law school class …
            He was jailed with Nelson Mandela …
            The Border Patrol endorses him …

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Expect "too old" is mostly a euphemism for "soft in the head". But you're right, age itself is not usually a disqualifier, except for left tackle and Prez. You, me, Nancy, Trump and Biden are all too old to be Prez, and have been for quite some time.

          It's a younger person's game. I had a cousin who was still doing crosswords and sudoku when she died at 94. But, while cognitively able she would not have been able to physically hold up to the job of Prez for several decades before that.

          Think about how international travel almost two weeks before the debate debilitated Biden, and how a common cold made him incoherent too. If you can't transcend those things you're too old and feeble to be Prez.

          St. Peter at the gate to Biden "Why did you start WW3?" Biden "Did I start WW3, I don't remember. Well you know I had a cold and I'd been traveling all around the world, and just couldn't help it."

          So yeah, I don't like ageism either, but sometimes age is a factor.

        3. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          It's not that he is too old. It's that he isn't there. And there wasn't much "there" to begin with.
          It's elder abuse. It's country abuse.

        4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          It costs the Ruskies only 200 grand a year to preserve Lenin's embalmed body. Surely the Democrats will keep Biden.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9b27d70fdfa6f1986a7881ecdc7cc426ed0d0751d476c32620e63c3f82a52c2.jpg

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            and Generalissimo Fredrico Franco is still dead too.:)

        5. Teddy007 Avatar
          Teddy007

          Being president is very hard on virtually everyone who has held the office. Trump, being a sociopath, was the least affected by being president.

        6. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Fair point. It's not that Biden is too old. It's that he's too senile. Senility doesn't reverse course. It doesn't level out or plateau. It just keeps getting worse.

          In three more years, Biden will be completely incoherent.

          We'll either have the 25th amendment or Jill Biden reprising Edith Wilson.

          I've seen too many of my own relatives and relatives of friends go through this.

    2. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      The "elites" will still make the choice. Learn the real meaning of "Save Our Democracy!", peasant…

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      You really have to be more blatant with your use of elite. Dress it up a little, plantation elite, or ivory tower elite. Without some good adjectives, some people might think itโ€™s a good thing.

      BTW, the elites driving the conversation now are the punditry elites.

      1. Rafaelo Avatar
        Rafaelo

        Commentariat? Pundocracy?

        But, no. Not just them. Startling conversation with an ordinary person, a fiercely Democratic 85 year old. Has friends in her elder care center with progressive senile dementia including some with Parkinson's.

        Apparently a Parkinson's specialist has visited the White House medical office about once a month since last August.

        I ventured the theory: "Biden knows he can't govern four more years, maybe not even four more months. He's staying in the race because whether its false bravado run wild, or diminished capacity, or aides lying to him about the polls — he believes he'll win. Then turn it over to Harris."

        "No," she said. "That's too complex, too sophisticated for someone with progressive dementia. He's just holding on to what he knows. That's all."

      2. Rafaelo Avatar
        Rafaelo

        Commentariat? Pundocracy?

        But, no. Not just them. Startling conversation with an ordinary person, a fiercely Democratic 85 year old. Has friends in her elder care center with progressive senile dementia including some with Parkinson's.

        Apparently a Parkinson's specialist has visited the White House medical office about once a month since last August.

        I ventured the theory: "Biden knows he can't govern four more years, maybe not even four more months. He's staying in the race because whether its false bravado run wild, or diminished capacity, or aides lying to him about the polls — he believes he'll win. Then turn it over to Harris."

        "No," she said. "That's too complex, too sophisticated for someone with progressive dementia. He's just holding on to what he knows. That's all."

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          He can turn it over to/switch with Harris at any point – a timing thing – for which the momentum is building to do so.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Good, give your friend a full text of a Trump speech and have her evaluate it for a cogent thought. Batteries and sharks.

          I have two friends with Parkinsonโ€™s. It manifests in a 100 different ways and symptom combinations but it is largely motor degenerative and not cognitive degenerative. Education is at your fingertips. Youโ€™d do better to drop your Parkinsonโ€™s claim (which I donโ€™t necessarily disagree with) and go with Alzheimerโ€™s.

          1. Rafaelo Avatar
            Rafaelo

            Not my claim. Citing a report, published in RealClearPolitics:

            "Dr. Kevin R. Cannard, a Parkinsonโ€™s disease specialist, has visited the White House at least nine times in the last year, official White House visitor logs show.

            The logs show Dr. Cannard traveled to the White House residence medical clinic each time. He met either with the presidentโ€™s personal physician or the naval nurse who coordinates care for the president and other top officials, the logs show.

            Dr. Cannardโ€™s spate of visits began on July 28, 2023 and continued at least through March 28, 2024. The most recently released logs end on April 1, so it is not clear if Dr. Cannard has been to the White House more recently."

            Make of that what you will.

            https://alexberenson.substa

            PS (added after posting the above) Johns Hopkins calls the idea that Parkinsons is 'only' a motor condition, Myth No. 1:

            "Nonmotor symptoms deserve โ€” and are getting โ€” more attention from doctors and researchers. These symptoms include cognitive impairment or dementia (usually in later stages), anxiety and depression, fatigue, sleep problems and more.
            For some patients, nonmotor symptoms are more disabling than motor symptoms, which are the focus of treatment. "

            Also, it's not a death sentence. Though in later stages I am told life is a burden. As J.K.Rowling said in one of the Harry Potter books, "[a]nd then he greeted Death as an old friend, and went with him gladly, and, equals, they departed this life."

            https://www.hopkinsmedicine

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Batting 500. I know I get all my best news from substacks.

  6. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Enlightened self-interest as Virginia is possibly in contention in November, at least for some down ballot choices. It's a little interesting to hear Virginia's name mentioned in this light in the national news. That much at least gives us green-light to write Virginia-nexus Bacon's Rebellion articles about national politics.

  7. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    It is unambiguous, beyond a doubt, absolutely clear that Biden is demented and is no more fit to serve out this term than to serve 4 more years. That's not Biden's fault, but for the safety of the country and the world he cannot be permitted to continue.

    Reports today are that a Walter Reed doc whose specialty is Parkinson's has visited the White House 10 times in the last year and a half. That's about once every 2 months.

    Biden's visible symptoms and descent into dementia chillingly parallel my Dad's whose diagnosis also was Parkinson's. Parkinson's fits what we saw and heard at the debate and his other appearances. Now we know the thing, and it is a monster. It is a horrible way to go. https://www.washingtonexami

    The doc visits put White House knowledge of what is wrong in Biden's head, that there is no fixing it and it only gets worse, at November 15, 2022. Knowing that, letting Biden run again was criminal. Heads should roll.

    Senator Warner deserves our thanks and gratitude for taking on what is a difficult, thankless task but one that is urgently needed for his party, the country and the world.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      The author is correct in that Warnerโ€™s advice should have weight in that he is a strong Democrat and his loyalties are above question. You, on the other hand fit neither of those criteria.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, Biden doesnโ€™t espouse plans to execute the daughter of a former vice president.

    3. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      There is much deserved retribution if Trump can get past the wired in cheating. I think he should also campaign on the future prosecution of the elder abuse of Biden by Jill and the Obama clones…

    4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Re; "letting Biden run again is criminal" Democrats were in awkward position if not Biden then Harris, so perhaps they were ambivalent as to best route, or actually they felt Biden was the best route to victory. But it back-fired. Democrats believe is identity politics wins over qualifications, so they have to live by their own rules.

    5. Hey, he's good between 10 and 4…… like Dr. PEPPER….according to his peeps

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Correct again. Understanding why Biden can't continue his run is not an endorsement of Trump. He as you, and your link, note has his own set of issues.

      But, you can't beat sumpthin' with nuttin' and that puts a premium on the Dems ability to nominate actual candidates. That will not be easy with the likes of Giggles incompetence and Newsom's promise of Californication for the entire country as leading prospects. It is hard to unsee recent pics of Batman villains Newsom as the Joker and Harris as the Giggler. Some of the rest of the usual Dem suspects have little better prospects.

      I like the idea of Tim Kaine. He's bright, he's got national name recognition & campaign experience, and best qualification he doesn't want the job.

      It will be a hard slog for the Dems, uphill both ways. The first step is to stop Joe from digging them in deeper. Dems should be outraged with those who knew about Joe's Parkinson's a year and a half ago, hid it and helped him run again.

      A loss by a decent candidate is bearable, and the next election cycle is never far off. A blowout that takes out Congress and states too because of defectives at the head of the ticket can take a long time to recover from. Even if they lose to Trump, the Dems have a huge stake in fielding credible candidates for Prez and VP.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Nope. Biden is right. Sure, he polls second in the Democrat choices after the debate, but itโ€™s within the margin of error, so he could still be the top Democrat.

        Nope. If Trump wins, itโ€™s on you.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Nah, Biden is a number of things, but right (especially in the head) ain't among them. Who does Joe poll worse among Dems than? "Anyone"?

          Giggles is as unpopular among all voters as Joe is, down around the mid 30's. She does not share the 80% who think Joe is too old. But, her unfavorable numbers will go up if she gets more exposure. Remember, she was so unpopular even among Dems that she dropped out of the primaries before the first votes. That she could not even get any traction with the party faithful does not bode well for a national election where she would need to appeal to a majority of the country.

          I've been berating you guys to field actual candidates, but it's been like warning the Titanic about icebergs. Losing to Trump will be because the Dems have allowed a demented candidate to run and failed to replace him with a viable alternative. It will not be because some of us tried to warn you.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Nah, Biden is a number of things, but right (especially in the head) ain't among them. Who does Joe poll worse among Dems than? "Anyone"?

          Giggles is as unpopular among all voters as Joe is, down around the mid 30's. She does not share the 80% who think Joe is too old. But, her unfavorable numbers will go up if she gets more exposure. Remember, she was so unpopular even among Dems that she dropped out of the primaries before the first votes. That she could not even get any traction with the party faithful does not bode well for a national election where she would need to appeal to a majority of the country.

          I've been berating you guys to field actual candidates, but it's been like warning the Titanic about icebergs. Losing to Trump will be because the Dems have allowed a demented candidate to run and failed to replace him with a viable alternative. It will not be because some of us tried to warn you.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Just watched Biden in Harrisburg, not an hour ago. Seemed fine. Stuttered, picked for words, just like he has for much of his life.

            You just want something new. Trumpโ€™s craziness ainโ€™t new, so you donโ€™t talk about it.

            Do you know the BR articles with the least unique top-of-thread comments? James writing on UVa. Why? Itโ€™s not new.

            James is a smart guy. Let him write one article on the threat Trump poses and the comments will explode,

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            My Dad's Parkinson's came and went. Sometimes he was a little better than others, but the trend was always down, down and down. After he started with the hoarse whisper of a voice, the inability to finish a thought and the rigid blank stares, the downhill slope got a lot steeper.

            Biden still seems to be able to read words someone else has written for him off a teleprompter, most of the time. End quote, repeat line, stop. That is better than the alternative, but it does not actually qualify as "fine". He does use a teleprompter almost all the time. He could not use one for the debate and the Stephanopoulos interview, and the results were horrific at best.

            The debate and his unscripted interview with Stephanopoulos showed Biden's cognitive dysfunction. It ain't just the same old inarticulate Joe, it is profound cognitive soup and it is getting worse.

            I can't do anything about Trump, but the Dems can and must do something about Biden. Please.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            โ€œ I can’t do anything about Trump, but the Dems can and must do something about Biden. Please.โ€

            So you see the Democrats as the countryโ€™s saviors? This makes the Republicans, what exactly?

          4. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Dunno, I've never been a Repub, but I have been a Dem (I got better).

            The Dems have both the opportunity and the big flashing neon debate sign screaming at them that they have to do something. If there's an opportunity for salvation, the Dems are it. The Repubs saved us from Hillary, so it's the Dems turn this year. Pretty please.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Al Franken. He grills Republicans like a 4th of July bratwurst. Heโ€™s funnier than Trump and most Republicans vote for people who make them laugh so heโ€™ll get the Nikki crowd.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            And doggonit people like him, except reportedly for some of the girls.

          7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            At the event in Harrisburg, was he using teleprompters? Was he unscripted? How long did he speak? I have read reports that he uses teleprompters at fundraisers. To me, that is a big red flag waving when his staff is unwilling to allow him to be unscripted among his most loyal supporters.

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            He turned as he was leaving and went back and began talking pro-union. Jill moved to pull him back, then let him go. Guarantee the next 5 minutes were unscripted, no prompter.

            Edit When I first saw it, it looked like Jill reached for his arm. I didnโ€™t see it this time. But that was while playing solitaire. But I heard what I heard.

            https://www.youtube.com/wat

          9. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            That looks right, he was off the prompter. Be interesting to see video of that to see how cognizant he actually was and if it lasted for the whole 5 minutes. There were parts of the interview where he was relatively straight too, and occasional moments in the debate. It can happen.

            Even with my Dad there were times when he was firing on all cylinders. It didn't last and those moments got shorter and further between. With Parkinson''s there is no recovery, just occasional spots of respite in the downhill slide.

          10. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Here's Biden from yesterday. So much for freeing Joe from the teleprompter.

            Biden also continued his penchant for bizarre statements like stating that โ€œeven when I was running for Senate, each time I ran โ€“ quite frankly, not a joke โ€“ Philadelphia, in particularly, got me across the line. No, Iโ€™m not joking. No, I mean it, seriously. Organizationally and in terms of fundraising, the whole deal.โ€

            Either Biden was confessing to using Pennsylvania votes to win elections in Delaware or he was hopelessly confused. Seriously.

            https://jonathanturley.org/2024/07/08/this-our-finest-hour-democratic-insiders-support-blitz-primary-after-blocking-primary-competition/

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Someone is not familiar with Southeastern PA and the populated portions of Delaware. Anyone who has regularly driven Routes 1, 95, and 52 understands completely.

          12. WayneS Avatar

            No matter how you try to spin it, Philadelphians cannot vote in Delaware, and therefore were not legally able to get Biden "across the line" in his senatorial elections.

            Unless, of course, you are implying they did it illegally…

          13. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Who said anything about votingโ€ฆ ?

  8. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    Well since the usurper was never elected to the white house in the first place….

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I couldnโ€™t help but wonder at the recent immunity decision. Qualified immunity works so well for the police.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      The qualified immunity for law enforcement is for civil lawsuits. Remember, if every criminal can sue any law enforcement officer, then those law enforcement officers will be incentivized to just stay in their cars and show up after the crime is over to fill out reports.

  10. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    we've been following Alan Lichtman's prediction methodology for years (because we got his lecture on it when our daughter was applying to American). Anyways Lichtman's argument is Biden needs to resign now, so that VP Harris can be Pres. Harris for a few months and then she gets 2-points for incumbency on his rating system.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Yeah, but in even a few months she'd lose 10 points for her giggling incompetence.

      Lichtman's been surprisingly accurate for a long time, and that is interesting. The circumstances this year are outside the experience of his prediction formula for several reasons. Plus, the last two elections have been so close that very small variations, even random ones below the granularity of his formula in a handful of states, would have changed the outcomes. So his last two correct predictions owe as much to luck as predictive potency. His formula might need some tweaking after this strange year.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        …he's had to tweak before I think

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          His list used to be shorter. As things change he's had to add to accommodate the exceptions. It's still interesting.

  11. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Two brain surgeons trying to make a tuna melt. Harris teaching Warner. I think I will pass.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsjyGVzV8tg

    1. Clarity77 Avatar
      Clarity77

      Oh God, I had to cut it short as the combined Giggles were starting to be nausea inducing. At least Hilary's cackles are shorter in duration.
      Nevertheless, according to the latest analysis by the "experts" on the attached video it's gotta be Giggles, and soon, or the bedwetting will quickly wash away the democrat party and the power without which it cannot exist. And which it craves above anything including a tuna melt.
      For an antidote to the nausea watch this for a good laugh.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYeAWb7rCI&t=605s

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I've seen Warner's tuna sandwich video…funny…maybe that should be the cognitive test

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Flatterers, like detractors, exist at the cost of those who listen to them.

  13. WayneS Avatar

    Over the weekend I noticed that the movie Weekend at Bernie's was "trending" on Tubi…

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Maybe there will be a sequel. <i>Parking Son's at Joe's</i>.

      A pornographic tale of drugs, dementia, prostitutes, smoking cheese, fast cars, guns, pedophilia, incest, sex with a dead sibling's widow, strippers trailing illegitimate grand kids, a high life with an international cast of characters financed by corrupt influence peddling and tax evasion, classified docs stashed in the garage along with the porn. Bit parts are a bald lipstick loving trans who steals dresses, another who likes dressing in uniforms, a giggling black woman who endlessly repeats phrases and who owes her role to past rolls with a politician, a missing in action not too bright general, a female lawyer baffled by what is a woman, and a strict school marm with a PhD running the show all guarded by the Secret Service.

      It is a rollicking tale of multiple generations of a family of dysfunctional grifters where the not dead yet but catatonic patriarch is moved around in various settings and reads from a teleprompter about cannibals eating his relatives.

      Think Hunter Thompson and <i>"Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas"</i> but with more money, drugs, porn and a 'Vette instead of an Impala convertible. Or <i>"Doctor Strangelove"</i> with a demented old man riding a bomb as the world ends. Or a melding of both with "Weekend at Bernie's".

      No joke. You can't make this stuff up. It's a documentary.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        "No joke. You can't make this stuff up."

        No, but you can…

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Dream on, it's all true. Because the pieces have floated up individually over several years it is easy to miss how bizarre things are in Biden world. Put 'em together and it makes for a very strange picture.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            A legend in your own mind…

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Remember Obama back when Joe had something that passed for a brain. "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up."

            What don't you believe about what you saw and heard with your own eyes and ears? The debate was a textbook lesson in what Parkinson's does to people. It is a one way street, all downhill. It is a personal tragedy for Biden, but it does not have to be a tragedy for the country.

            Nominate a real candidate for the good of the party, the nation and the world.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I get you are in full shore up Trump mode but this is your candidateโ€ฆ I mean reallyโ€ฆ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/76243835513e64d86e91df077f6b0addd831233b9a30eb016f910a580ccac2b5.jpg

          4. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            And think of Joe's daughter, years of therapy for sexual disorders following "showering" with her father. Pedophilia, incest? Then there's Hunter's sexual disorders, tens of thousands of dollars to prostitutes. Chances seem pretty good he was sexually abused too. Many of these things run in families, they are taught.

            But wait, there's more, Joe is severely demented. He has no business near real decisions, not to mention the nuclear codes.

            I know your TDS is debilitating troll, but give it up. Each anti Trump rant you push has a Biden in the mirror.

            Help your Dems select real candidates for the good of the country and so they have at least a chance to win. That will also give Joe an exit ramp to stop the elder torture. Is your TDS so severe that you do you not care about him either?

  14. Haig48 Avatar

    Sen. Warner has crossed the Rubicon. Good for our guy to have a backbone that is not for sale.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      I trust there was a snark in that comment since Warner has crawled back in his hole.

      He couldn't have the meeting after it became public? His office announced what he was doing.

      How's that work? I'm going to do this unless I tell you I'm going to do this in which case I won't do it. Ok, that's our Mark.

  15. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    The analogy for me is when Penn State's Joe Paterno failed to retire, until it was too late. I never knew if that was because he wanted his grown kids to take over, or to try to control the Sandusky issue, or trying for more wins.

    PS- Roar, Lions, Roar!

  16. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Joe Biden was on Morning Joe today. That's just about the friendliest "new show" he could have chosen.

    Here's what Biden had to say ….

    "The American public is not going to move away from me, as the average voter. And again, I'm here for two reasons, pal! One, to rebuild the economy for hard-working middle-class people, give everyone a shot, just a straight shot, everybody gets a fair chance! Number one. Number two, remember all this talk about how I don't have the black support? Come on, give me a break. Come with me, watch! Watch!

    I'm getting so frustrated by the elite (or leak?). No, I'm not talking about you guys, but the elites in the party, who, they know so much more. But if any of these guys don't think I should run, run against me. Go ah…announce for president. Challenge me at the convention."

    Why is he yelling at members of his own party? Why is he yelling at all?

    Watch for yourself:

    https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/1810311998950789240

  17. Are you on the list? I hope I am . . . when they come for me they had best come heavily armed.

    Todayโ€™s Letter from an American by history professor Heather Cox Richardson had some red flags for the voting public to look out for as we head into these final months before election day. Here are some of the highlights:

    Trumpโ€™s plan for revenge: Ivan Raiklin. Remember that name. He lives in northern Virginia and tried to run for U.S. Senate in 2018. HCR wrote:

    โ€œYesterday, Raw Story reported that Ivan Raiklin, Trumpโ€™s self-declared โ€˜Secretary of Retribution,โ€™ has compiled a โ€˜Deep State target listโ€™ of 350 people he wants to see arrested and punished for โ€˜treasonโ€™ if Trump is reelected. The list includes Democratic and Republican elected officials, journalists he considers to be Trumpโ€™s enemies, U.S. Capitol Police officers, and witnesses against Trump in his impeachment trials and the hearings concerning the events of January 6, 2021.

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