Virginia’s New Rules for Permitted Political Discourse

You will be assimilated.

by James A. Bacon

In censuring Sen. Amanda Chase, R-Chesterfield, the Senate of Virginia has established new rules for acceptable political behavior and rhetoric. The rules are always changing, so it’s important to keep up or risk being consigned to the netherworld of the political undead.

You can read the censure here. Do not misinterpret what follows as a defense of Chase. She’s destroying Virginia’s Republican Party with her antics and hyperbolic language, and she has brought much of this obloquy upon herself. Rather, take the recitation of the charges listed in the censure as signs of a phenomenon even more disturbing than Chase: evidence of how the political Left in Virginia increasingly dictates the rules of acceptable political discourse and to whom the rules apply.

Charge #1: Chase berated a Capitol Police officer on duty when the Senator was not given access to a restricted parking area in front of the Capitol. She addressed the officer profanely and made offensive remarks to the Clerk of the Senate. She suggested the officer had been racially motivated in reaction to the Senator’s “white privilege.”

New rules: Profanity and rudeness now are grounds for censure. So is imputing racial prejudice to a person of another race…. depending upon the race in question.

Charge #2: Chase “used her social media page to recklessly identify the names and contact information of colleagues whose legislation she disagreed with.” Furthermore, she expressed “outrage” and urged her followers to “voice their dissent directly.” Some aides and legislators received threats.

New rules: No more publishing legislators’ publicly available contact information on Facebook. No more urging followers to let lawmakers know how they feel. And if some of your nutcase followers issue threats, you are personally responsible.

Charge #3: On social media, Chase “blamed victims of sexual assault for not fending off their attackers, making the damaging and indefensible claim that ‘It’s those who are naive and unprepared that end [up] raped.’”

New rule: No more saying provocative and outrageous things that offend the sensibilities of Democratic lawmakers.

Charge #4: Chase decried “identity politics” and suggested that, because her fellow Senator is vice-chair of the Virginia Legislative Black Caucus, she is “not for all Virginians.”

New rule: Objecting to identity politics — the idea that discriminating against people on the basis of race, religion or ethnicity is bad, but organizing politically to promote a particular race, religion or ethnicity is OK — is outside the bounds of acceptable discourse.

Charge #5: During the COVID-19 epidemic, Chase said, “I don’t do COVID.”

New rule: No more saying provocative and outrageous things that offend the sensibilities of Democratic lawmakers.

Charge 6: “Following the 2020 presidential election, Senator Chase implicated both major political parties in baseless claims of a ‘stolen’ election, asserting, ‘Make no mistake. We are at war. The Democratic Party hijacked our 2020 Presidential Election and [has] committed treason. Where the hell are the Republicans?’”

New rule: It’s OK to accuse President Trump of treason for stealing the 2016 election by colluding with Russia, but it’s outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse to accuse Democrats of stealing the 2020 election.

Charge 7: Chase asserted that “The Virginia Democratic Party is racist to its core” after Democratic officials asked a white local registrar to step down.

New rule: Only Democrats are allowed to accuse their political opponents of being racist.

Charge #8: After the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol, Chase voiced support for the rioters, calling them “patriots who love their country” and propagated unfounded claims regarding the nature of events. Further, when called upon to do so, she declined to repudiate white supremacists in the mob.

New rule: No more saying provocative and outrageous things that offend the sensibilities of Democratic lawmakers. No more propagating claims that Democrats believe are unfounded. No more refusing to answer “gotcha” questions from left-leaning media who never ask the same “gotcha” questions of Democrats.

To repeat: I do not defend Chase’s statements, many of which I have criticized on this blog. Her style is inflammatory, her rhetoric is often outrageous and not backed up by the facts. But many elected officials say a lot of things that I find inflammatory, outrageous and lacking in factual basis, and I don’t see anyone censuring them.

Chase is a rabble-rousing populist who appeals to the grievances and sense of victimhood of Virginia’s working-class and middle-class whites — the mirror image of the victimhood and grievance crowd on the Left. But I don’t see her as a threat to American liberties. The larger threat comes from those who say that some peoples’ right to not be offended trumps other peoples’ right to free expression. The larger threat comes from technology giants who have de-platformed innumerable voices they find objectionable. The larger threat comes from those who would censure political opponents for the expression of unpopular opinions.


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89 responses to “Virginia’s New Rules for Permitted Political Discourse”

  1. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Getting crosswise with Senate Clerk Susan Schaar was the fatal mistake. The rest are just window dressing. (Only half kidding.)

    Initially I dismissed the idea of running to federal court over this, but there is a pretty good argument that the process that led to the vote deviated from what the state Constitution lays out for a censure. Lt. Gov. Fairfax ruled it was out of bounds, but was overruled. If a court does overturn this, she’s an even bigger hero to her followers. The Democrats know full well she is the weakest possible candidate in November and would love to see her nominated.

    This would not be happening if her relationship with her colleagues, including on her own side, had not been strained for several years. This is a team sport and she has made herself the ultimate free agent. Ken Cuccinelli was an insider in comparison.

    Here is the key roll call: The vote to overrule Fairfax after he said the resolution was not properly before the body:

    https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?211+vot+SV0150SR0091+SR0091

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      If you think she’s an outsider in your Party, you better check your wheel alignment, Bubba.

      The mistake the Left is making is in thinking like you — that “the fringe” is also a fringe inside your tent. When 76% of Republicans think “Trump is Right”, elections are stolen, not lost, then it’s your ilk who are in the cheap seats. Push come to shove, you’ll vote your conscience, and vote the Party Line. Dogmatic response ain’t the same as courage of conviction.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Indeed this is going on nationally with the Greene / Cheney issue.

        Greene’s views and behavior were well know by voters in her district and they chose her consciously.

        In Wyoming, many in the GOP are less than happy with Cheney’s stance on impeachment.

        It’s not Trump they are afraid of – it’s the voters who supported Trump who still vote and when Cheney runs again – she could lose her seat to a Trump-supported GOP candidate.

        Same deal with Chase in Virginia. She would be the choice of many GOP in Virginia and in a Virginia primary for the GOP, she might well beat Cox.

  2. djrippert Avatar

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    It has been long decided that what applies to Congress in the US Constitution also holds for state government.

    Virginia’s State Senate is not a private enterprise, it is not a club regardless of whether the elected officials decide to call themselves “members”. It is an arm of government and the censure violates Amanda Chase’s first amendment rights.

    I join Jim Bacon in having no interest in Chase’s policies. I think she’s a horse’s ass for many of her comments and much of her behavior. However, she still has first amendment rights. Finally, anybody who tries to slap the snot out of the plantation elite (metaphorically speaking, of course) should be applauded for that.

    From the Virginia Mercury:

    “Democratic leaders in the Virginia House of Delegates have stripped three Republicans of some committee assignments after they signed a letter casting doubt on the results of the presidential election and urging Vice President Mike Pence to block the lopsided Democratic victory in Virginia.

    House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn, D-Fairfax, stripped Dels. Dave LaRock, R-Loudoun, Ronnie Campbell, R-Rockbridge and Mark Cole, R-Spotsylvania, of one committee assignment each. They were not booted from all their committee seats.”

    Sounds like more governmental retaliation for expressions of free speech covered under the first amendment.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Speech is free, but not free of consequence. Rambling lunacy will get you a ride in the ambulance.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    I think you’re missing context and the full record over time on not only what Chase said but where and when.

    She was parroting the hate and invective of the hard right long BEFORE she went up there to be with insurrectionists and then spoke to them as a group, then ran away to hide before the real fireworks started.

    When you say this is about her and not the GOP, I strongly disagree. The GOP has enabled her and people like her then gone silent when they blow up.

    You say she is destroying the GOP in Va. Nope. They are destroying themselves by pretending she is not them rather that they openly criticising her themselves as a party – she’s just another loon they have in their ranks that they pretend are not.

    She richly deserves censure.

  4. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    White Privilege – Ralph Northam being protected by the MSM, including the WaPo, in two election cycles from his adult blackface conduct. Maybe COVID-19 will mutate into a virus that attacks only mainstream journalists. We can only wish.

  5. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
    UpAgnstTheWall

    One cop was beaten to death using a fire extinguisher by Chase’s “patriots who love their country” and two more have killed themselves in the aftermath of 1/6. Hers isn’t a provocative or outrageous statement – it’s outright support of an open attempt at a coup. Similarly, asking her to repudiate white supremacists isn’t an unfair “gotcha” question – it should be the lowest possible bar to hurdle. You keep wanting to pretend that what happened on 1/6 was just some mob that got out of hand while ignoring the guys with zip ties, the theft of documents, and statements about turning on the gas on our elected representatives doing their jobs in certifying a free and fair election.

    You don’t want to defend Chase, sure, but you will as long as doing so ensures one of your top three political priorities – protecting conservatives from ever facing consequences for their actions.

    1. Look, if she was referring to the guys who killed the policeman with the fire extinguisher when she said they are “patriots who love their country,” then that is clearly FUBAR and she deserves censure. So, we’re agreed on that.

      If she’s referring to a bunch of guys who got swept up in the mob enthusiasm and entered the Capitol Building but otherwise did nothing wrong, then that’s a very different matter entirely and cannot be construed as an endorsement of the storming of the Capitol or an attack in the certification of the election.

      So far I have seen zero evidence — merely wild assertions — that the former scenario is the case. Basically, UATW, you’ve adopted a lynch mob mentality. Evidence, we don’t need no stinking evidence!

      Show me the evidence, and I’ll change my story.

      1. I tried to find the source of the “they were patriots” quote. It likely originated with this story in The Virginia Star the day after the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol: https://thevirginiastar.com/2021/01/07/virginia-state-senator-amanda-chase-on-d-c-rally-it-was-very-heartwarming/

        State Senator Amanda Chase (R-Chesterfield) was present at the Washington, D.C. rally on Wednesday morning, and she told The Virginia Star that it was a historic day after historic voter fraud.

        “It was very heartwarming,” Chase said. “The people that were there, they were good people. They were patriots, they love their country, they were there to peacefully show support. They weren’t there for destructive purposes at all.”

        Chase spoke to the crowd a few hours before Congress began considering certificates of electors for president.

        “We are here today to stand with President Donald J. Trump, and we are here to be a sign of encouragement to the U.S. Senators and members of Congress that have to make a very important decision today. We are asking them to openly contest this election which we know was stolen from the people of the United States of America,” she told the crowd.

        The context was very clear — she was speaking about “good people” and “patriots” attending the peaceful rally, and she was praising them for being “peaceful” and not being there “for destructive purposes.”

        Later, on the floor of the Senate, she said this, according to the AP:

        “We remember Ashli, and the three who died of medical emergencies and the Capitol Police officer who died during the chaos at the Capitol. These were not rioters and looters, these were patriots who love their country and do not want to see our great republic turned into a socialist country,” she said at the time, sparking an outrage.

        She later said that when she referred to “patriots,” she meant people she was standing with at the nonviolent rally “before all the mayhem took place,” including veterans and police officers.

        Given her earlier statement to The Virginia Star, it’s pretty clear that in her Senate statement, she was referring to people at the peaceful rally. No other grammatical reconstruction of her meaning makes sense.

        This is how the Senate’s censure twisted her words: “In the aftermath of the unfortunate events and riots at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, Senator Chase voiced support for those who participated in storming the United States Capitol, calling them “[p]atriots who love their country.”

        That is just flat-out wrong.

        1. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
          UpAgnstTheWall

          So Ralph Northam is an iron fisted partisan bent on denying hundreds of thousands of Virginians a voice because he didn’t call for a special election on your schedule (even though Dick laid out incredibly reasonable alternatives for why he made the call he made) but Amanda Chase – who has never minced words in her life – is all of the sudden talking about peaceful protesters when she says “These were not rioters and looters, these were patriots who love their country and do not want to see our great republic turned into a socialist country” immediately after talking about Ashli Babbitt and the others killer in the chaos they started because later, after she started getting pushback she puked up some back peddling.

          Sure, Jan. Enjoy losing Virginia for the foreseeable future.

      2. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
        UpAgnstTheWall

        I love that in your desperation to make this okay you make a distinction between people partaking in “mob enthusiasm” merely “entering” the Capitol versus “storming the Capitol.”

        The complete inability of conservatives to have their members be held responsible for their actions in any meaningful way is part of what’s dooming their odds of success in Virginia. You think Spanberger’s district was itching to send her back to Washington? The answer is flatly no, but if the available choices were her or a member of the party that just continuously enabled Donald Trump a lot of people held their nose and pulled the blue lever.

  6. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Up against the wall. Spot on. Their ilk enabled Trump and tried to pretend he never happened. What was it? Thirty plus thousand documented lies? I covered a Trump rally in 2016 and counted 38 or so lies or direct contradictions in just under an hour. Don’t believe these people.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Please. A week of reading all these BR comments has to include 30,000 lies or falsehoods or statements of nonsense.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Peter Galuszka | February 2, 2021 at 2:02 pm | Reply
      Up against the wall. Spot on. Their ilk enabled Trump and tried to pretend he never happened. What was it? Thirty plus thousand documented lies? I covered a Trump rally in 2016 and counted 38 or so lies or direct contradictions in just under an hour. Don’t believe these people.”

      Your concurrence with a statement that was a non sequitur doesn’t validate your claim.

      In fact you’re just gaslighting you own opinion.

  7. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    Getting crosswise with Senate Clerk Susan Schaar was the fatal mistake. The rest are just window dressing. (Only half kidding.)

    Initially I dismissed the idea of running to federal court over this, but there is a pretty good argument that the process that led to the vote deviated from what the state Constitution lays out for a censure. Lt. Gov. Fairfax ruled it was out of bounds, but was overruled. If a court does overturn this, she’s an even bigger hero to her followers. The Democrats know full well she is the weakest possible candidate in November and would love to see her nominated.

    This would not be happening if her relationship with her colleagues, including on her own side, had not been strained for several years. This is a team sport and she has made herself the ultimate free agent. Ken Cuccinelli was an insider in comparison.

    Here is the key roll call: The vote to overrule Fairfax after he said the resolution was not properly before the body:

    https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?211+vot+SV0150SR0091+SR0091

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      If you think she’s an outsider in your Party, you better check your wheel alignment, Bubba.

      The mistake the Left is making is in thinking like you — that “the fringe” is also a fringe inside your tent. When 76% of Republicans think “Trump is Right”, elections are stolen, not lost, then it’s your ilk who are in the cheap seats. Push come to shove, you’ll vote your conscience, and vote the Party Line. Dogmatic response ain’t the same as courage of conviction.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Indeed this is going on nationally with the Greene / Cheney issue.

        Greene’s views and behavior were well know by voters in her district and they chose her consciously.

        In Wyoming, many in the GOP are less than happy with Cheney’s stance on impeachment.

        It’s not Trump they are afraid of – it’s the voters who supported Trump who still vote and when Cheney runs again – she could lose her seat to a Trump-supported GOP candidate.

        Same deal with Chase in Virginia. She would be the choice of many GOP in Virginia and in a Virginia primary for the GOP, she might well beat Cox.

  8. djrippert Avatar

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    It has been long decided that what applies to Congress in the US Constitution also holds for state government.

    Virginia’s State Senate is not a private enterprise, it is not a club regardless of whether the elected officials decide to call themselves “members”. It is an arm of government and the censure violates Amanda Chase’s first amendment rights.

    I join Jim Bacon in having no interest in Chase’s policies. I think she’s a horse’s ass for many of her comments and much of her behavior. However, she still has first amendment rights. Finally, anybody who tries to slap the snot out of the plantation elite (metaphorically speaking, of course) should be applauded for that.

    From the Virginia Mercury:

    “Democratic leaders in the Virginia House of Delegates have stripped three Republicans of some committee assignments after they signed a letter casting doubt on the results of the presidential election and urging Vice President Mike Pence to block the lopsided Democratic victory in Virginia.

    House Speaker Eileen Filler-Corn, D-Fairfax, stripped Dels. Dave LaRock, R-Loudoun, Ronnie Campbell, R-Rockbridge and Mark Cole, R-Spotsylvania, of one committee assignment each. They were not booted from all their committee seats.”

    Sounds like more governmental retaliation for expressions of free speech covered under the first amendment.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Speech is free, but not free of consequence. Rambling lunacy will get you a ride in the ambulance.

  9. LarrytheG Avatar

    I think you’re missing context and the full record over time on not only what Chase said but where and when.

    She was parroting the hate and invective of the hard right long BEFORE she went up there to be with insurrectionists and then spoke to them as a group, then ran away to hide before the real fireworks started.

    When you say this is about her and not the GOP, I strongly disagree. The GOP has enabled her and people like her then gone silent when they blow up.

    You say she is destroying the GOP in Va. Nope. They are destroying themselves by pretending she is not them rather that they openly criticising her themselves as a party – she’s just another loon they have in their ranks that they pretend are not.

    She richly deserves censure.

  10. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I say that this woman’s threatening behavior with brandishing high power rifles, and her hate speech is so outrageously inciting, nay, fomenting, of insurgent action and with violence against our elected leaders that this wretched, ignorant woman should be dragged, kicking and, uh…. oh, wait.

    Okay, censure works, and that is how elected democratic governments work. Not with gallows and flexcuffs, but with ballots and votes.

    1. Just to pick a nit, an AR-15 is not a particularly high-powered rifle.

      I wouldn’t want to get shot with one, mind you, but then again I wouldn’t want to be shot with .22 LR (again) either.

      Thirty caliber is where REAL high-power starts…

      …although a .270 is no slouch.

  11. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Your point? Of course I don’t defend her but I defend her?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      She’s a cancer on the RPV, in the words of Mitch “Yertle the Turtle” McConnell on conspiracy theorists and lunatics like her — exactly like her.

      Some people deserve cancer.

      Blessed are the willfully ignorant for they shall soon see God.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      I don’t defend the philosophies of those who burn the American flag. However, I do defend their right to burn the flag. Is this really hard?

  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Your point? Of course I don’t defend her but I defend her?

  13. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Square your high falutin’ notions of the 1st with this 1st and Amada can pull the cork from her, uh,… er, gaping maw!
    https://d2wcro6av4bts2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/No.jpg

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Who owns that pier? The City of Virginia Beach? You sure? You might want to check. Or, is it a “consortium of families” thus making it a private enterprise? You know – a private enterprise – kind of like the NFL.

      Meanwhile, the Commonwealth of Virginia clearly owns UVa. Yet Amanda Chase can be censured while the F*** UVa girl cannot be told to remove her sign. Square that … after you have successfully researched the ownership of that pier.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        The profanity prohibition is enforced though out the tourist area AND ON THE BEACH.

        Watch your posts here…
        https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter9/section18.2-427/

  14. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Square your high falutin’ notions of the 1st with this 1st and Amada can pull the cork from her, uh,… er, gaping maw!
    https://d2wcro6av4bts2.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/No.jpg

  15. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    The yearbook picture, babies, guns, executive orders, nursing homes, vaccines, VMI, history, monuments, riots, criminal justice, Farmville, 11.2% unemployment, closed schools, and on and on. No wonder he smiles. He cannot be held accountable. And guess what is coming right behind him.
    https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/roanoke.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/20/f20a119f-bbac-5a11-9417-315d9b0c2ac8/5a03694b6d45b.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C842

  16. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Nancy. What is gaslighting? I missed the movie.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Beats me. Probably something Matt thought sounded cool. Was it Boyer and Day?

      Of course, Matt’s quite familiar with gas. Sniffing his own, for example.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      That’s odd your own employer has used the term. If you’re having trouble with terms there is always the dictionary.

  17. The conversation has drifted away from commenting on the criteria for censuring Chase to commenting on Chase herself, about whom there is no disagreement. Please get back to commenting on the criteria.

  18. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    As the crusty old newspaper editor said: “stop pissing down both legs at the same time.”

  19. If the Senate censure resolution had focused on Chase’s activities and words in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6, it would have made a much stronger case. Chase’s response to that incident was severely deficient.

    The Senate made a huge mistake listing all these other transgressions. Now the censure looks like another example of “cancel culture.” Cancel culture is not just something that happens in universities. It is not just perpetuated by social media companies. Mainstream Democrats now have embraced it.

    When Democrats introduce new rules, Republicans will, when given a chance, apply them just as arbitrarily and unsuitably against Democrats.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “When Democrats introduce new rules, Republicans will, when given a chance, apply them just as arbitrarily and unsuitably against Democrats.”

      They don’t seem to notice the parallels to the nuclear option being invoked in the Senate.

      It’s the mantra of the ends justify the means.

  20. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    White Privilege – Ralph Northam being protected by the MSM, including the WaPo, in two election cycles from his adult blackface conduct. Maybe COVID-19 will mutate into a virus that attacks only mainstream journalists. We can only wish.

  21. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Chase calling for sedition and violence to prevent a legal national election’s results from being certified is a crime. Jim, stop trying to split hairs with rad -right double talk.It’s getting boring. You’ve never been through a coup. I have.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

      Pretty much covers it. In fact, brandishing a weapon while calling for a “2nd Amendment Solution” may very well be a violation.

      I think the use of the 2nd as a means of governmental change was resolved in 1865.

    2. If Chase had actually “called for sedition and violence” to prevent a the election results from being certified, I suspect that would have made it into the censure resolution.

      What evidence have you uncovered that state senate Democrats did not possess to justify your assertion that Chase called for sedition?

      As for the fact that you’ve been through a coup and I haven’t, that’s the ultimate non sequitur. Does your experience in Russia give you some special inside knowledge into what happened on Jan. 6.?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Chase is like a 3-day old dead hog with flies all around and we’re arguing about how intense the smell is or what color the flies are.

        And the is IN THE GOP – and almost no one in the GOP is rejecting her.. nope.. they’re either hiding or apologizing…and when this blows over, the GOP will be busom-buddies with her once again.

        jesushkeeerist…

  22. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Chase calling for sedition and violence to prevent a legal national election’s results from being certified is a crime. Jim, stop trying to split hairs with rad -right double talk.It’s getting boring. You’ve never been through a coup. I have.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385

      Pretty much covers it. In fact, brandishing a weapon while calling for a “2nd Amendment Solution” may very well be a violation.

      I think the use of the 2nd as a means of governmental change was resolved in 1865.

    2. If Chase had actually “called for sedition and violence” to prevent a the election results from being certified, I suspect that would have made it into the censure resolution.

      What evidence have you uncovered that state senate Democrats did not possess to justify your assertion that Chase called for sedition?

      As for the fact that you’ve been through a coup and I haven’t, that’s the ultimate non sequitur. Does your experience in Russia give you some special inside knowledge into what happened on Jan. 6.?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Chase is like a 3-day old dead hog with flies all around and we’re arguing about how intense the smell is or what color the flies are.

        And the is IN THE GOP – and almost no one in the GOP is rejecting her.. nope.. they’re either hiding or apologizing…and when this blows over, the GOP will be busom-buddies with her once again.

        jesushkeeerist…

  23. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Yes it does.

    1. OK, then, please present your evidence — ANY evidence, from Moscow or anywhere else — that Chase called for “sedition and violence.”

      If you can show it to me, and it isn’t ripped recklessly out of context, I’ll change my tune. I have no love lost for Chase. I would be perfectly happy for her to be discredited and drop out of the Republican nominating contest. But if there is no evidence, then I have to call B.S.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “After initially downplaying her association with two men arrested Thursday outside a vote counting center in Philadelphia, Chesterfield state senator and gubernatorial candidate Amanda Chase reversed course Saturday afternoon and acknowledged they are her supporters.

        Speaking to the media during a “Stop the Steal” rally outside the Virginia Department of Elections building in Richmond, a defiant Chase said Anthony LaMotta and Joshua Macias are “innocent until they’re proven guilty” and slammed media reports of their arrest on illegal possession of firearms charges as “complete and total bullcrap.”

        “They are not going to be tried in the media. That’s wrong. Let it go through the court system and apply the law, but people need to stop jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” she added.

        LaMotta, 61, and Macias, 42, both of Chesapeake, were taken into custody by Philadelphia police near the city’s convention center, where mail-in ballots were being tallied for the Nov. 3 general election.”

        It’s pretty clear who she has been hanging around with.

  24. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Yes it does.

    1. OK, then, please present your evidence — ANY evidence, from Moscow or anywhere else — that Chase called for “sedition and violence.”

      If you can show it to me, and it isn’t ripped recklessly out of context, I’ll change my tune. I have no love lost for Chase. I would be perfectly happy for her to be discredited and drop out of the Republican nominating contest. But if there is no evidence, then I have to call B.S.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “After initially downplaying her association with two men arrested Thursday outside a vote counting center in Philadelphia, Chesterfield state senator and gubernatorial candidate Amanda Chase reversed course Saturday afternoon and acknowledged they are her supporters.

        Speaking to the media during a “Stop the Steal” rally outside the Virginia Department of Elections building in Richmond, a defiant Chase said Anthony LaMotta and Joshua Macias are “innocent until they’re proven guilty” and slammed media reports of their arrest on illegal possession of firearms charges as “complete and total bullcrap.”

        “They are not going to be tried in the media. That’s wrong. Let it go through the court system and apply the law, but people need to stop jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts,” she added.

        LaMotta, 61, and Macias, 42, both of Chesapeake, were taken into custody by Philadelphia police near the city’s convention center, where mail-in ballots were being tallied for the Nov. 3 general election.”

        It’s pretty clear who she has been hanging around with.

  25. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
    UpAgnstTheWall

    One cop was beaten to death using a fire extinguisher by Chase’s “patriots who love their country” and two more have killed themselves in the aftermath of 1/6. Hers isn’t a provocative or outrageous statement – it’s outright support of an open attempt at a coup. Similarly, asking her to repudiate white supremacists isn’t an unfair “gotcha” question – it should be the lowest possible bar to hurdle. You keep wanting to pretend that what happened on 1/6 was just some mob that got out of hand while ignoring the guys with zip ties, the theft of documents, and statements about turning on the gas on our elected representatives doing their jobs in certifying a free and fair election.

    You don’t want to defend Chase, sure, but you will as long as doing so ensures one of your top three political priorities – protecting conservatives from ever facing consequences for their actions.

    1. Look, if she was referring to the guys who killed the policeman with the fire extinguisher when she said they are “patriots who love their country,” then that is clearly FUBAR and she deserves censure. So, we’re agreed on that.

      If she’s referring to a bunch of guys who got swept up in the mob enthusiasm and entered the Capitol Building but otherwise did nothing wrong, then that’s a very different matter entirely and cannot be construed as an endorsement of the storming of the Capitol or an attack in the certification of the election.

      So far I have seen zero evidence — merely wild assertions — that the former scenario is the case. Basically, UATW, you’ve adopted a lynch mob mentality. Evidence, we don’t need no stinking evidence!

      Show me the evidence, and I’ll change my story.

      1. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
        UpAgnstTheWall

        I love that in your desperation to make this okay you make a distinction between people partaking in “mob enthusiasm” merely “entering” the Capitol versus “storming the Capitol.”

        The complete inability of conservatives to have their members be held responsible for their actions in any meaningful way is part of what’s dooming their odds of success in Virginia. You think Spanberger’s district was itching to send her back to Washington? The answer is flatly no, but if the available choices were her or a member of the party that just continuously enabled Donald Trump a lot of people held their nose and pulled the blue lever.

      2. I tried to find the source of the “they were patriots” quote. It likely originated with this story in The Virginia Star the day after the Jan. 6 storming of the Capitol: https://thevirginiastar.com/2021/01/07/virginia-state-senator-amanda-chase-on-d-c-rally-it-was-very-heartwarming/

        State Senator Amanda Chase (R-Chesterfield) was present at the Washington, D.C. rally on Wednesday morning, and she told The Virginia Star that it was a historic day after historic voter fraud.

        “It was very heartwarming,” Chase said. “The people that were there, they were good people. They were patriots, they love their country, they were there to peacefully show support. They weren’t there for destructive purposes at all.”

        Chase spoke to the crowd a few hours before Congress began considering certificates of electors for president.

        “We are here today to stand with President Donald J. Trump, and we are here to be a sign of encouragement to the U.S. Senators and members of Congress that have to make a very important decision today. We are asking them to openly contest this election which we know was stolen from the people of the United States of America,” she told the crowd.

        The context was very clear — she was speaking about “good people” and “patriots” attending the peaceful rally, and she was praising them for being “peaceful” and not being there “for destructive purposes.”

        Later, on the floor of the Senate, she said this, according to the AP:

        “We remember Ashli, and the three who died of medical emergencies and the Capitol Police officer who died during the chaos at the Capitol. These were not rioters and looters, these were patriots who love their country and do not want to see our great republic turned into a socialist country,” she said at the time, sparking an outrage.

        She later said that when she referred to “patriots,” she meant people she was standing with at the nonviolent rally “before all the mayhem took place,” including veterans and police officers.

        Given her earlier statement to The Virginia Star, it’s pretty clear that in her Senate statement, she was referring to people at the peaceful rally. No other grammatical reconstruction of her meaning makes sense.

        This is how the Senate’s censure twisted her words: “In the aftermath of the unfortunate events and riots at the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, Senator Chase voiced support for those who participated in storming the United States Capitol, calling them “[p]atriots who love their country.”

        That is just flat-out wrong.

        1. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
          UpAgnstTheWall

          So Ralph Northam is an iron fisted partisan bent on denying hundreds of thousands of Virginians a voice because he didn’t call for a special election on your schedule (even though Dick laid out incredibly reasonable alternatives for why he made the call he made) but Amanda Chase – who has never minced words in her life – is all of the sudden talking about peaceful protesters when she says “These were not rioters and looters, these were patriots who love their country and do not want to see our great republic turned into a socialist country” immediately after talking about Ashli Babbitt and the others killer in the chaos they started because later, after she started getting pushback she puked up some back peddling.

          Sure, Jan. Enjoy losing Virginia for the foreseeable future.

  26. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Up against the wall. Spot on. Their ilk enabled Trump and tried to pretend he never happened. What was it? Thirty plus thousand documented lies? I covered a Trump rally in 2016 and counted 38 or so lies or direct contradictions in just under an hour. Don’t believe these people.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Peter Galuszka | February 2, 2021 at 2:02 pm | Reply
      Up against the wall. Spot on. Their ilk enabled Trump and tried to pretend he never happened. What was it? Thirty plus thousand documented lies? I covered a Trump rally in 2016 and counted 38 or so lies or direct contradictions in just under an hour. Don’t believe these people.”

      Your concurrence with a statement that was a non sequitur doesn’t validate your claim.

      In fact you’re just gaslighting you own opinion.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Please. A week of reading all these BR comments has to include 30,000 lies or falsehoods or statements of nonsense.

  27. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    I say that this woman’s threatening behavior with brandishing high power rifles, and her hate speech is so outrageously inciting, nay, fomenting, of insurgent action and with violence against our elected leaders that this wretched, ignorant woman should be dragged, kicking and, uh…. oh, wait.

    Okay, censure works, and that is how elected democratic governments work. Not with gallows and flexcuffs, but with ballots and votes.

    1. Just to pick a nit, an AR-15 is not a particularly high-powered rifle.

      I wouldn’t want to get shot with one, mind you, but then again I wouldn’t want to be shot with .22 LR (again) either.

      Thirty caliber is where REAL high-power starts…

      …although a .270 is no slouch.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, based on John Wayne’s use of the word “varmint”, a .223 qualifies as a pretty good varmint gun.

        Been shot at. Heard the bullet twice. Once when it passed me, and once when I passed it. And with all due respect to Winnie, no, it’s not exhilarating. It’s dehumanizing — the laundry part afterwards.

        1. I guess it depends on your definition of a varmint.

          There is no doubt the .223 can be quite deadly (so can a .177 air rifle in the right hands), but in Virginia it is not considered powerful enough for deer hunting.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            but perfect for killing hogs at harvest time…..

          2. It’s okay for killing a hog, I guess – if you’re standing within a few feet of it – and you get a head shot.

            I don’t hunt, but if I did I would not go after wild pigs with anything smaller than a.308 or .30-06, with a .357 magnum revolver as a back-up. A wild hog is something you want to kill with one shot -the damn things are mean enough when they’re not wounded.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            well the hog is in a pen and maybe 5 or 2 feet away looking at you like you’d never do it.

            easier than killing a chicken with an ax… but a lot more effort getting it butchered.

            I used to hunt. No more.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            My grandfather had a .222 iron sights bolt action that every grandkid had to use as their first deer hunting gun. I’m not certain I could’ve taken a deer with it or if it was legal to use in PA, but I carried it until I bought my own.

            He was fond of using a tricked out 22 to take groundhogs.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Been shot at. Heard the bullet twice. Once when it passed me, and once when I passed it. And with all due respect to Winnie, no, it’s not exhilarating. It’s dehumanizing — the laundry part afterwards.”

          If you heard the bullet, it wasn’t anywhere near you.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive
          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            It was a nice little experiment. I wish he had walked the rounds toward the target from wide right to the final hit. A supersonic round will make the pop sound, and the range where it is audible will depend on the shape of the bullet since it determines how tight the shock wave will be.

            For subsonic speeds, you *could* consider the sound of an arrow from a bow or ball shot from a sling shot. I assume you have used both of those. I have, and yes, I could hear the flight of both leaving.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            If you heard a wizz the round was close, if you heard the crack it was nowhere near you. I highly doubt you were being “shot” at with sub-sonic ammunition.

            A sub-sonic round still travels at 900 ft/s (supersonic is 1127 ft/s) and it still makes plenty of noise unless it’s suppressed, those gases have to escape somewhere and unless there is a suppressor it’ll come out of the firearm.

          4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            It were a hand gun.

            I was 12 years old in the hills of San Diego playing with a friend when we walked over the top of a hill. Some guy was plunking cans in the ravine from halfway up the other side.

            We shouted and waved to let him know we were there. He shot at us. That simple.

            We took off like rabbits back over the hill and we watched as he climbed the other side, got in his car, and left.

            I was looking on Google Earth last night at the spot. Shame, they’ve flattened the ridges and it’s wall-to-wall houses. The bottom of the ravine is still there.

            And just so you know, I lied about hearing it the 2nd time. That was humor.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Nancy_Naive | February 3, 2021 at 10:08 am |
            It were a hand gun.

            I was 12 years old in the hills of San Diego playing with a friend when we walked over the top of a hill. Some guy was plunking cans in the ravine from halfway up the other side.

            We shouted and waved to let him know we were there. He shot at us. That simple.

            We took off like rabbits back over the hill and we watched as he climbed the other side, got in his car, and left.

            I was looking on Google Earth last night at the spot. Shame, they’ve flattened the ridges and it’s wall-to-wall houses. The bottom of the ravine is still there.

            And just so you know, I lied about hearing it the 2nd time. That was humor.”

            Interesting, well I’ll take your word for it but if you were outside of 30 yards you weren’t “shot” at.

          6. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            500 – 600 feet. Minimum. You’re correct. “At” is a stretch at that range with a hand gun. But, there is such a thing as “bad luck”. There are those every so often on a 4th of July…

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            ” There are those every so often on a 4th of July…”

            Accidents that occur on the 4th are by people who shouldn’t be playing with gun powder especially when they’ve been drinking.

            While a 9MM has a max effective range of 1800 m, doesn’t mean someone’s gonna tag you from a mile with a 9MM.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh, and to sympathize with you, I don’t want to be stapled again either.

  28. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Nancy. What is gaslighting? I missed the movie.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Beats me. Probably something Matt thought sounded cool. Was it Boyer and Day?

      Of course, Matt’s quite familiar with gas. Sniffing his own, for example.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      That’s odd your own employer has used the term. If you’re having trouble with terms there is always the dictionary.

  29. djrippert Avatar

    At time like these it’s best to remember the words of a late liberal who led the thinking of the Democratically-controlled Virginia Senate:

    “There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.”
    ― Idi Amin

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      GOOD LORD DJ – did you see this:

      ” RICHMOND—Today, the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) announced that Appalachia’s 13 governors elected Virginia Governor Ralph Northam to serve as ARC’s states’ co-chair for 2021. ”

      They picked him over Hogan.. geeze…. what does this mean? Has coonman gone away ?

  30. djrippert Avatar

    At time like these it’s best to remember the words of a late liberal who led the thinking of the Democratically-controlled Virginia Senate:

    “There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.”
    ― Idi Amin

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      GOOD LORD DJ – did you see this:

      ” RICHMOND—Today, the Appalachian Regional Commission (ARC) announced that Appalachia’s 13 governors elected Virginia Governor Ralph Northam to serve as ARC’s states’ co-chair for 2021. ”

      They picked him over Hogan.. geeze…. what does this mean? Has coonman gone away ?

  31. LarrytheG Avatar

    nothing in the Constitution about the consequences of Free Speech. Right?

    Ask Marjorie Green.

  32. LarrytheG Avatar

    nothing in the Constitution about the consequences of Free Speech. Right?

    Ask Marjorie Green.

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