VCU Clarifies Rules for Demonstrators

by James A. Bacon

Virginia Commonwealth University, where police clashed with pro-Palestinian demonstrators in the spring, has responded with alacrity to Youngkin administration admonitions to update its policies in preparation for more mayhem when students return for the fall semester.

Among the more notable features of the updated policies is a requirement that anyone wearing a face mask for the purpose of concealment must present an ID to an Authorized University Employee. State law, enacted to combat the Ku Klux Klan, restricts the wearing of masks to conceal one’s identity. The law was rarely enforced last spring when protesters wore keffiyehs and COVID masks over their faces.

VCU’s policies are laid out in three documents: “Interim Campus Expression and Space Utilization,” “Interim Concealment of Identity,” and “Interim Student Code of Conduct.”

In communications to the university community, VCU officials also articulated principles for the issuance of university pronouncements in response to national and global events.

“As many institutions have found, well-intentioned statements may be received positively by some and negatively by others.” said Vice President of Student Affairs Aaron Hart, reports WRIC News. While VCU leaders “do not typically issue statements,” they will “consider doing so if there is a direct connection to the university’s core function and mission.”

VCU’s announcement comes a week after Virginia Secretary of Education Aimee Guidera urged Virginia’s public universities to update their codes of student conduct and related university policies before students return to school this month. Specifically, she asked universities to address policies regarding disruption to school functions, violations of the law, unlawful masking, erection of encampments and tents, and the use of university facilities by outside groups.

Virginia Tech, the University of Virginia, and the University of Mary Washington, where many pro-Palestinians were arrested, have not yet released any revisions to their codes of conduct.

VCU’s interim policies go into effect immediately, although the university reserves the right to modify them in response to feedback.

“Specifically, antisemitic, anti-Muslim, anti-religious or race or ethnic-based threats are taken seriously and are investigated in accordance with state and federal laws and applicable policies,” Hart said in a press release. “We expect students, faculty and staff to adhere to VCU policies; violations can lead to disciplinary action.”

Campus expression and space utilization. VCU policy prohibits unauthorized encampments like the one that led to clashes with university police and the arrest of 13 students in the spring. States the policy:

“Prohibition of Encampment: Constructing, occupying, or sleeping in tents or camping on university-owned or operated properties is prohibited unless approved in advance by the University.” Sleeping outdoors with or without a tent between the hours of 12:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., is likewise prohibited.

Other general prohibitions potentially affecting demonstrations include:

  • obstructing pedestrians or traffic;
  • obstructing movement in and out of buildings, walkways and driveways;
  • occupying university property without authorization;
  • failure to comply with reasonable instruction by university police or officials;
  • affixing flyers, signs, posters, banners in violation of university policies;
  • organizing any “Major Event” without written authorization.

Concealment of identity. VCU policy is clear and unambiguous: “Any individual who is present on University Property or attending a University Event who is wearing a mask, hood, or other covering whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered to conceal the identity of the wearer, must present an Identification Document when requested by an Authorized University.”

Student code of conduct. The Student Code of Conduct details prohibited student behaviors, including disorderly conduct or disruption to the conduct of routine university activity.

Examples include: blocking entrances, corridors or exits; unauthorized presence in buildings after normal closing hours; interfering with vehicular or pedestrian traffic; and creating unsanitary conditions.

VCU’s restrictions and prohibitions are entirely reasonable. They provide ample opportunity for students to protest and otherwise express themselves — as long as they don’t infringe upon the rights of others. VCU administrators should be commended for responding so quickly to the Youngkin administration’s request and for communicating the revised policies to the university community before demonstrations occur and any change in the rules becomes a contentious issue.

Hopefully, the leadership at Virginia Tech, UVA and Mary Washington will act with a similar sense of urgency. VCU has shown that the task can be done. There is no excuse for failure.

 

 

 


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77 responses to “VCU Clarifies Rules for Demonstrators”

  1. Let's see IF the university enforces these new rules/policies as well as Virginia law this fall…. as the Dem's love to preach: 'No one is above the law.'

    Hope all the colleges to the same.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Not sure how a college student could ever be considered โ€œaboveโ€ the law. Hardly a position of powerโ€ฆ

      1. Marty Chapman Avatar
        Marty Chapman

        Are you familiar with the recent litigation involving Gibson Bakery and Oberlin College?

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          The students and the college were found to be in violation of the law. Gibson Bakery got a big settlement from Oberlin.

          1. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Since you have chosen to opine here, I have a couple quibbles. The students pled and were found guilty. The college was sued and found liable by a jury for both compensatory and punitive damages. There was no settlement. The award was reduced to comply with statutory limits and confirmed on appeal. The final award including interest was over $30 million. In my OPINION, the college could have apologized, taken action against the students and staff, and settled for perhaps $5 million.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            Well if we are going to quibble, ok, let's quibble. $30 million qualifies as big in my book. The bakery was awarded that money. I called that a settlement, as in compensation for the wrong done to them by Oberlin. It was an award for damages that settled the issue, that's a pretty quibbling quibble.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar

            Well if we are going to quibble, ok, let's quibble. $30 million qualifies as big in my book. The bakery was awarded that money. I called that a settlement, as in compensation for the wrong done to them by Oberlin. It was an award for damages that settled the issue, that's a pretty quibbling quibble.

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I'm confused. Jim highlights as a "notable" provision the "requirement that anyone wearing a face mask for the purpose of concealment must present an ID to an Authorized University Employee." How does an "Authorized University Employee" determine whether someone is wearing a face mask "for the purpose of concealment?" Some people still wear masks to protect against the spread of COVID. If the university employee demands to see an ID of someone wearing a mask and that person says I am wearing this mask to protect against COVID or for some other medical reason, then what?

    Futhermore, the provision does not expressly prohibit the wearing of a mask for the purpose of concealment. It only provides that a person doing that must present an ID when it is demanded. The person with the mask could present the ID and then go his or her merry way still masked. What's the point? Is it so the university employees can compile a list of names of people wearing masks?

    To those that say that wearing a mask for the purpose of concealment is against the law and those people should be arrested, why doesn't the university policy expressly say that such persons will be arrested? If the university truly wanted to crack down, it could adopt a policy that anyone wearing a mask would be arrested or at least given a summons. The person so arrested or served could use the prevention against COVID or some medical reason as a defense in court.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I like the new level of security here at BR, โ€œJust a second while we determine if you are humanโ€ฆโ€

    Then they let me in anyway.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Not every system is perfect!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I knew you had a sense of humor. Itโ€™s just finding the shtick. BTW, the solution to all requests by authorities is โ€œWhat is your articulatable reasonable suspicionโ€? With body cams, it stops them cold.

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          Pick one 1. you failed to signal that lane change
          2. you failed to come to a complete stop
          at that stop sign.
          3. you are impeding traffic or going too
          fast for conditions.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Those are for traffic stops, but not all cops are even smart enough come up with one of those. Also donโ€™t forget 4) You were weaving in your lane. Thatโ€™s the usual for DUI.

            But if youโ€™re not driving, and itโ€™s just a roust, most of them donโ€™t know the law or care. Theyโ€™re just in โ€œrespect my authorityโ€ (Cartman) mode.

          2. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            My experience would differ. This habit of making wild generalizations does not further your argument.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Do I need to supply samples?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDG1HvqeOtA

          4. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I am loath to discuss your needs.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I like the new level of security here at BR, โ€œJust a second while we determine if you are humanโ€ฆโ€

    Then they let me in anyway.

  5. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    I have found that reviewing the applicable statute is useful. The exceptions seem reasonably clear. I am of the opinion that being masked in violation of this law should be a misdemeanor absent some other felonious conduct.
    18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.
    It shall be unlawful for any person over 16 years of age to, with the intent to conceal his identity, wear any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon (a) the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device, or (b) the declaration of a disaster or state of emergency by the Governor in response to a public health emergency where the emergency declaration expressly waives this section, defines the mask appropriate for the emergency, and provides for the duration of the waiver. The violation of any provisions of this section is a Class 6 felony.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I should have read the statutue. Thanks for setting it out. So, COVID is no longer a legal excuse for wearing a mask, unless one has an affidavit from a physician that it is medically necessary. Good luck on getting that. That means the several people I have been around lately who were weaing masks were actually committing a felony.

      My confusion is now greater. Why is VCU saying that it will ask people with masks for their IDs? If wearing a mask is a "notable" act that is seen as a problem, why not state in the policy that people wearing masks will be arrested?

  6. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    Exactly! I was a bit worried and wallowing in self-reflection while awaiting the verdict. A computer has validated that we are…..human.

      1. Chip Gibson Avatar
        Chip Gibson

        00101010

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I'm confused. Jim highlights as a "notable" provision the "requirement that anyone wearing a face mask for the purpose of concealment must present an ID to an Authorized University Employee." How does an "Authorized University Employee" determine whether someone is wearing a face mask "for the purpose of concealment?" Some people still wear masks to protect against the spread of COVID. If the university employee demands to see an ID of someone wearing a mask and that person says I am wearing this mask to protect against COVID or for some other medical reason, then what?

    Futhermore, the provision does not expressly prohibit the wearing of a mask for the purpose of concealment. It only provides that a person doing that must present an ID when it is demanded. The person with the mask could present the ID and then go his or her merry way still masked. What's the point? Is it so the university employees can compile a list of names of people wearing masks?

    To those that say that wearing a mask for the purpose of concealment is against the law and those people should be arrested, why doesn't the university policy expressly say that such persons will be arrested? If the university truly wanted to crack down, it could adopt a policy that anyone wearing a mask would be arrested or at least given a summons. The person so arrested or served could use the prevention against COVID or some medical reason as a defense in court.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Worthy of a book, โ€œHow to Deal with Authority; Exercise Your Rightsโ€

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        There are two sides to every law. What it requires you to do, and how authorities are required to conduct themselves. As citizens we have every right to hold authority to conduct themselves as scrupulously as they require us to obey the requirements of the law.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      โ€œIf the university employee demands to see an ID of someone wearing a mask and that person says I am wearing this mask to protect against COVID or for some other medical reason, then what?โ€

      Or if the face covering is for religious reasonsโ€ฆ seems like an easily challengeable policyโ€ฆ

      1. Chip Gibson Avatar
        Chip Gibson

        Or, maybe they are simply being kind to those of us now verified as human, hiding that nose mounted USB port from our human gaze. While a bott might be enchanted by that visual statement and want to plug in…

      2. Lefty665 Avatar

        With the Klan era Virginia law against face coverings, VCU could argue that it is being considerably more lenient than the law. Not sure that Covid masking ever got more than an informal exception to the law. Not arguing against your position, just that the state code (right or wrong) is more stringent than the VCU policy.

        In my long ago years of protesting the Viet Nam war it never occurred to me to want to disguise who I was. In fact I, and many more like me, was happy to be identified as petitioning government to see the error of its ways and reform itself, to cease an illegal war of aggression. Eventually, and with enough assembly and petition, it did.

        Things change. Long ago we never envisioned setting up encampments or covering our faces (except with hair, I've still got a beard). With each generation we have the opportunity to reexamine how the right to "peaceably assemble and petition" is defined. It is not clear to me how pitching a tent is outside the protections of the 1st Amendment right to assemble and petition.

      3. Lefty665 Avatar

        With the Klan era Virginia law against face coverings, VCU could argue that it is being considerably more lenient than the law. Not sure that Covid masking ever got more than an informal exception to the law. Not arguing against your position, just that the state code (right or wrong) is more stringent than the VCU policy.

        In my long ago years of protesting the Viet Nam war it never occurred to me to want to disguise who I was. In fact I, and many more like me, was happy to be identified as petitioning government to see the error of its ways and reform itself, to cease an illegal war of aggression. Eventually, and with enough assembly and petition, it did.

        Things change. Long ago we never envisioned setting up encampments or covering our faces (except with hair, I've still got a beard). With each generation we have the opportunity to reexamine how the right to "peaceably assemble and petition" is defined. It is not clear to me how pitching a tent is outside the protections of the 1st Amendment right to assemble and petition.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          โ€œWith the Klan era Virginia law against face coverings, VCU could argue that it is being considerably more lenient than the law.โ€

          It looks like that is their intent. Both the law and the policy have the giant loophole of โ€œwith the intent to conceal their identityโ€ that must be met first though. I think it would be interesting to know if that clause was intentionally included in the law so as to make it unenforceable from the get go. Kind of a โ€œnudge, nudge, wink, winkโ€ kind of thing. Seems like the student protestors have seen it for what it is and are effectively using it.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          โ€œWith the Klan era Virginia law against face coverings, VCU could argue that it is being considerably more lenient than the law.โ€

          It looks like that is their intent. Both the law and the policy have the giant loophole of โ€œwith the intent to conceal their identityโ€ that must be met first though. I think it would be interesting to know if that clause was intentionally included in the law so as to make it unenforceable from the get go. Kind of a โ€œnudge, nudge, wink, winkโ€ kind of thing. Seems like the student protestors have seen it for what it is and are effectively using it.

  8. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    Hats off to the Virginia Commonwealth University! Mom would have been proud.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Do you need examples?

  10. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    I do not, but you seem to need to cite some. "Lay on MacDuff"

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Go find your own.

  12. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    So fickle! You know everyone on this blog anticipates your daily (often hourly) doses of wisdom.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Compared to you, infinitely so.

  14. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Just like Virginiaโ€™s anti-sodomy law which was eventually largely ignored but hung around until 2014, this law is antiquated and should be ignored.

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      I actually agree as a felony it is overkill. If reduced to a misdemeanor it has limited application.

    2. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      in terms of enforcement the former statutes prohibiting sodomy were used to discourage homosexual hookups in public bathrooms, parks, highway rest stops etc. Once again, a reasonable approach was simply having a cop say "fellas get a room".

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Public sexual activity continues to be against the law. Anti-sodomy laws were not specific to public homosexual sex. But your point is legitimate, cops could and did ignore the law once it conflicted with other rights or societal norms. Eventually, the laws were stricken by the SCOTUS but it remained on our books for like another decade. The same conditions generally apply to these masking laws. Case in point, VCU attempts to enforce this law (in response to Youngkinโ€™s directive) yet appears to violate state law in requiring an ID to be produced. In Virginia, you only have to give oneโ€™s name (not produce ID) and then only to a uniformed or identified police officer. I certainly hope some civil liberties group tests this policy. We do not live in a police stateโ€ฆ yetโ€ฆ

    3. Thomas Carter Avatar
      Thomas Carter

      Until you happen upon a masked genius while walking back to your car.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Not sure I understand, are we to arrest every person wearing a mask in public then? Is that your position?

        1. Thomas Carter Avatar
          Thomas Carter

          Since you didn't read between the lines, add "with a gun" after genius."

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Why would we want to arrest anybody who has a gun in Virginia? Or is it anybody who has a gun and wears a mask in Virginia?

          2. Since you didn't read between the lines, add "with a gun" after genius."

            Why would we want to arrest anybody who has a gun in Virginia?

            Add (verb), (1) to join or unite so as to bring about an increase or improvement; (2) to say further; to append

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So then he IS saying that if a gun owner dons a mask they should be arrestedโ€ฆ

            Do you agree?

          4. A gun owner? No.

            But the added descriptor "with a gun" obviously means in possession, perhaps even brandishing.

            A masked person holding or brandishing a gun should at the very least be stopped and questioned by a law enforcement officer. I'm confident even the most ignorant officer who stopped such a person could come up with an answer to the question: โ€œWhat is your articulatable reasonable suspicionโ€?

          5. A gun owner? No.

            But the added descriptor "with a gun" obviously means in possession, perhaps even brandishing.

            A masked person holding or brandishing a gun should at the very least be stopped and questioned by a law enforcement officer. I'm confident even the most ignorant officer who stopped such a person could come up with an answer to the question: โ€œWhat is your articulatable reasonable suspicionโ€?

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            โ€œA masked person holding or brandishing a gun should at the very least be stopped and questioned by a law enforcement officer.โ€

            I suppose you are rightโ€ฆ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/249b113888a44aafa83f6450b462dc69b7c5be32b7dec564d22374c87202c54a.jpg

          7. Lefty665 Avatar

            That was during covid wasn't it when the wearing of masks for public health was required? It does seem ironic that open carry is legal in Virginia while openly wearing a mask may not be.

          8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Maybeโ€ฆ honestly not sure of date but this one is from 2023. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/566e926b9d0198d7633886c4162ac1f6b4200dddee4cbb2f924a413a3a5c01f6.jpg

            To suggest these citizens should be arrested or even questioned by police seems absurd.

          9. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            If you are wearing a mask and openly carrying a firearm in a public place, say a bank, you should expect some unpleasant attention from the police.

  15. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Not seeing how it is relevant to my comment.

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      The origin of the dispute was a shoplifting incident and assault on a bakery employee by an Oberlin Student. The college demanded that the student in question not be prosecuted and asserted the bakery owners were racist. Massive protests organized and led by college administrators followed. You asked how a college student could be considered above the law. I would argue having your college assert that you should not be prosecuted and attempt to bankrupt your accuser is an example of a being considered above the law.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Ummโ€ฆ the students were prosecuted and the blowback after that prosecution from the students is what the lawsuit was about. Based on what I read, the university did not step in at all during the prosecution of the underlying crime. Again really not relevant.

        In any case, โ€œabove the lawโ€ is really about politicians, business executives and other elites and upper crusts using their influence, power, annd wealth to avoid criminal charges and prosecution. The common college student has no such leverage. The prosecution and jailing of Martha Stewart is a good example of demonstrating that โ€œno one is above the lawโ€.

      2. Marty Chapman Avatar
        Marty Chapman

        Note: the bakery eventually prevailed in court and was awarded $$$$ in compensation.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Sounds like it was justified.

          1. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I would say so!

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            As I noted in response to to your question about Oberling and the bakery.

            A) The students were found guilty. They were not above the law.

            B) Oberlin claimed they were innocent, not above the law. Their argument was that the bakery racially profiled the students and falsely accused them of shoplifting.

            The case confirms, albeit at long length and great expense, the Troll's assertion rather than contradicting it as implied.

          3. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I disagree and I think the facts are on my side here. Oberlin demanded the charges be dropped despite overwhelming evidence and an eventual guilty plea. Oberlin attempted to coerce the bakery by canceling a contract, defaming the owners as “racist” and organizing boycotts and protests, rather than simply allowing the charges to come to trial. In addition, the college demanded an agreement to not charge any student in future cases of alleged theft. That is the very definition of considering students above the law and not subject to the same standards of justice as the rest of the community.

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            I agree that Oberlin wanted the students to be above the law. If those are the facts that are on your side, then they ignore the verdict of the courts.

            The courts found both the students and Oberlin in violation of the law and awarded the bakery a sizeable judgement as compensation for Oberlin's behavior. That is the essence of not being above the law.

            Expect you and I do agree that the ultimate verdict, sizeable judgement for the bakery and conviction of the thieves was justice delivered. It was evidence that college kids are not above the law despite Oberlin's efforts to make it so.

      3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Ummโ€ฆ the students were prosecuted and the blowback after that prosecution from the students is what the lawsuit was about. Based on what I read, the university did not step in at all during the prosecution of the underlying crime. Again really not relevant.

        In any case, โ€œabove the lawโ€ is really about politicians, business executives and other elites and upper crusts using their influence, power, annd wealth to avoid criminal charges and prosecution. The common college student has no such leverage. The prosecution and jailing of Martha Stewart is a good example of demonstrating that โ€œno one is above the lawโ€.

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          I think you are missing some important facts in the case. Does the notion of a "protected class" not suggest being above certain laws or at least having them apply differently?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            โ€œThe law should be applied uniformlyโ€ is different from โ€œno one is ABOVE the lawโ€. It is a nuance thing but there is a clear difference.

  16. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    Standby, I need to chat with your "half troll" running dog.

  17. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    The origin of the dispute was a shoplifting incident and assault on a bakery employee by an Oberlin Student. The college demanded that the student in question not be prosecuted and asserted the bakery owners were racist. Massive protests organized and led by college administrators followed. You asked how a college student could be considered above the law. I would argue having your college assert that you should not be prosecuted and attempt to bankrupt your accuser is an example of a being considered above the law.

  18. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Dick, suppose there was a KKK rally with participants wearing hoods or a Neo-Nazi takeover of a synagogue where the demonstrators were wearing Hitler masks. Would that be OK too?

    And, yes, there are people wearing masks for Covid-related issues. It's on the rise again. But do you really think all those people are wearing masks for health reasons at a pro-Hamas demonstration, which may or may not include a partial takeover of a campus?

    Or is this just one more set of special rules for the Left? And people wonder why so many people flock to crazies like Trump.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      โ€œDick, suppose there was a KKK rally with participants wearing hoodsโ€ฆโ€

      Ahemโ€ฆ see these guys like on a monthly basis these daysโ€ฆ I think Nashville was the latestโ€ฆ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/24a498e5b93444b102f09d579b0493146f0d33124fba008c991fae4c775317d9.jpg

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        And go after them too. You should not be able to hide your identity if and when you are trying to violate the law.

  19. "How does an "Authorized University Employee" determine whether someone is wearing a face mask "for the purpose of concealment?" Some people still wear masks to protect against the spread of COVID."

    This will assuredly become an issue. People can lie about their reason for wearing the mask, and how can their intent be disproven?

    On the other hand, Students for Justice in Palestine is telling people to wear masks — and if you think it's to protect against COVID, I have a tunnel in Gaza I'd like to sell you.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      โ€œโ€ฆand if you think it's to protect against COVID, I have a tunnel in Gaza I'd like to sell you.โ€

      The onus is not on them to explain why itโ€™s mandatory, the onus is on law enforcement to prove it is to conceal their identity. What you or I โ€œthinkโ€ has no bearing. To be honest, I think some civil liberties group should test the rule (by law, unless you are driving a vehicle, you are not required to produce identification to law enforcement or anybody on public property in Virginia) and I think student protesters should carry a pre-printed card to hand to any official trying to enforce this rule that states simply that their mask is to protect against airborne disease transmission. So much for the protection of liberties from the right these daysโ€ฆ

  20. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    A bank is not a public place.

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      It is open to the public and generally anyone can enter. But let’s change the example to a public sidewalk in downtown Richmond.

  21. Lefty665 Avatar

    Ok, but the facts are not on your side and have not been from the get go.

    1. Marty Chapman Avatar
      Marty Chapman

      You just can’t help yourself can you?

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