The Ugly Ain’t Over (Part II)

The United States, and Virginia along with it, is entering a new era of budgetary constraints. The economic expansion we’re now entering will be weaker and frailer than in previous business cycles, with lamentable consequences for the productive, tax-paying economy of businesses and workers — and for the government that feeds off them.

Two weeks ago (See “The Ugly Ain’t Over, Not by a Longshot“), I made the point that the economy faces a wave of bad commercial real estate loans that will result in another round of crippling write-offs for commercial banks. But the magnitude of that problem is modest compared to the coming second wave of defaults in the residential mortgage business. Even that’s not the end of it. On top of real estate loans going bad, we soon will need to worry about the precarious state of the junk bond market.

While the Obama administration has supported the residential real estate sector with more than $1 trillion in TARP funds, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mortgage purchases, FHA mortgage underwriting and Federal Reserve purchases of mortgage-backed securities, it is not clear that housing prices have hit bottom. The housing sector has ridden out the wave of defaults on sub-prime loans and some “Alt-A” loans (lesser credit quality than prime loans but better than sub-primes), but it is bracing for a tsunami of bad Option ARM (Adjustable Rate Mortgage) loans. (See the T2 Partners presentation for details.)

During the peak of the housing bubble, financiers kept mortgages flowing by relying upon Option ARMs, which enticed buyers through ultra-low teaser rates and the ability to defer payments by adding to the mortgage balance. Typically, these loans reset after five years, at which point the payments can jump by 60% or more. Roughly $750 billion of these mortgages were written, and they are coming due. As Option ARM homeowners go into default, they will dump more houses into a sagging market, which will exert more downward pressure on housing prices. In a downward spiral, more homeowners will find themselves underwater, owing more on their mortgages than their houses are worth. If they walk away from the loans in large numbers, they will put even more pressure on housing prices and the financial institutions left holding the bag.

Indeed, there is little sign that the foreclosure crisis is abating. Monthly year-to-year comparisons between 2009 and 2010 show that mortgage foreclosures were still increasing. Realtytrac Inc. reported more than 308,000 default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions in February, a six percent increase over the previous February. The silver lining was that, for the moment at least, the rate of increase was slowing.

Similarly discouraging is a recent report by Neil Barofsky, special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), who concluded that the Obama administration’s $75 billion Home Affordable Modification Program (HAMP), which aimed at reducing the number of foreclosures by subsidizing the restructuring of troubled mortgages, was having little effect. Writes Barofsky in a recent report:

Absent a thorough review of HAMP and its goals, the program risks helping few [homeowners], and for the rest, merely spreading out the foreclosure crisis over the course of several years, at significant taxpayer expense and even at the expense of those borrowers who continued to struggle to make modified, but still unaffordable, mortgage payments for months before succumbing to foreclosure anyway.

Throughout the 2000s bacchanalia of borrowing, the non-finance business sector was restrained about taking on debt — thank goodness, or business bankruptcies would be far more widespread and unemployment even worse than it is now. But there were pockets of excess in residential and commercial real estate, and in the private equity sector. The growth of private-equity financial companies, which structure debt-heavy buyouts, led to a surge in highly leveraged acquisitions during the 2000s.

According to a recent McKinsey Global Institute study, companies acquired through such buyouts were 2.7 times as leveraged on average as publicly listed corporations. The use of leverage is a wonderful thing for investors if the companies prosper and pay off their debt — big fortunes can be made in a hurry. But if the economy stalls and companies have difficulty paying off their loans, investors and debt-holders can take a beating. By McKinsey’s estimate, roughly $434 billion of such loans in the U.S. are scheduled to come due between 2010 and 2014.

Add it all up, and the U.S. could experience another $1 trillion or more of write-offs over the next three or four years — and that’s just from the problems we know about. Banks, which have barely recovered from the sub-prime loan fiasco, will endure more rounds of massive write-offs. To avoid the prospect of more Wall Street-style bailouts, regulators are requiring banks to set aside more loan-loss reserves and strengthen their balance-sheet leverage, which leaves them no choice but to restrain lending. That they are doing by tightening their lending standards. No more sub-prime mortgages. No more liar’s loans. Lower lending limits on home equity loans. Fewer credit cards issued. More collateral demanded of small businesses.

Predictably, the politicians will rail at the banks for taking bailout money only to turn around and curtail their loan volume, but banks cannot simultaneously bullet-proof their balance sheets and ramp up lending. It is a financial impossibility that only a grand-standing congressman could fail to grasp.

The chart above shows the contraction in lending by which the banking industry shared its pain with consumers and small business in the past two years. Large, publicly traded corporations have alternatives to bank loans: They can issue stock and sell bonds. But small businesses, the job-creating locomotive of the U.S. economy, depend heavily upon banks. Obama’s plan to pump up small business lending by $30 billion may help, but it can’t make up for the $110 billion decline in bank lending to business last year alone. If the banks can’t lend, small businesses can’t hire, and the economy can’t grow.

No, the ugly ain’t over. And the politicians in Washington, D.C., and Richmond had better adjust their plans to that economic reality.


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60 responses to “The Ugly Ain’t Over (Part II)”

  1. Groveton Avatar
    Groveton

    Good article. Commercial, residential ARM and private equity loans are all risks. Got it. On the other side, public companies are trading at normal-to-low P/E rations in historical terms. This fact indicates a stock market which should stay relatively stable unless there is some new and unexpected financial calamity. Those same companies are also sitting on vast pools of cash (also by historical standards). This points to either growth in dividend rates and share buybacks, M&A or investment. If Dear Leader really wants to help the economy he will push for investment tax credits for the corporations holding all that cash. I know, I know … corporate welfare, blah, blah, blah. Unfortunately, Dear Leader is running out of options. If he prints more money our national debt will fall in quality and we'll have to pay higher interest rates to sell the debt. Berkshire Hathaway bonds are already paying less than Treasury notes indicating that the market has more faith in Warren Buffet than Dear Leader. If interest rates go up, all of Jim's concerns about real estate loans (and the related banking problems they create) will get worse. The states have no money since they were addicted to property taxes derived from the housing bubble. Who's left?

    Obama needs to encourage corporations operating in the United States to make business investments in the United States. He needs to do that before they start using their very large cash balances to buy back their own shares or pay out dividends. Even M&A is counter to employment growth. The only good use of the large pools of cash presently on many corporate balace sheets is domestic business expansion. Obama needs to address this.

  2. Larry G Avatar

    well I was waiting for this part:

    " Obama needs to encourage corporations operating in the United States to make business investments in the United States."

    We need more of this IMHO as opposed to the " Now that this lefty liberal is in really deep deep dodo what will he do that won't make things worse" stuff that seems to be making the rounds.

    I swear, I have never seen so many people finding so many different ways to essentially wish that the current Prez stumbles an falls….

    it's like half the blame country has a death wish.

    As far as politicians go – I'm quite amused that so many folks seem to be "discovering" that Obama is a political critter not unlike a lot of other current and previous political critters.

    Are the American people the quintessential rubes every time a new politician shows up to run for office?

    Here's a little question to chew on today – Pick the BEST Virginia Politician that you think could do BETTER than Obama at being President.

    No, don't hold back here. Our esteemed AG is in the running also.

    ๐Ÿ˜‰

  3. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    I think Obama and Congress could also foster more real business investment by reducing the amount of trading and arbitrage in the economy by making this type of behavior ungodly expensive from a tax perspective. Our friends on Wall Street have managed to de-link the price of oil (and who knows what else) from supply and demand. http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/01/1559175/whats-driving-up-oil-prices-again.html

    Increase the tax on very short term capital gains (less than sic months) to 80%. Let the states have at the rest.

    If there's no money to be made flipping and trading, investment may actually return to businesses.

    Also, Congress should prohibit any institution that trades for clients from doing its own investments, either directly or indirectly.

    TMT

  4. Larry G Avatar

    one rule to consider. Make it ILLEGAL for any company to pay for any rating agency that is rating it's financial instruments.

    Make ALL investments rated by an independent FDIC-like entity funded by fees on financial transactions

    All these RATS on Wall Street – they KNEW these companies were PAYING rating companies to highly rate their highly toxic investments and the rest of us were standing around with our thumbs up our noses or worse.

    Of course, the right-wing propaganda machine is already gearing up to fight regulation by essentially arguing that regulation is bad for business.

    So the Republicans have already concocted their excuse for voting against regulation – by saying that they are so "P"-owed by losing on HC that they'll not cooperate on any future legislation no matter what it is about (you know..like they had no idea that the regulation issue was coming up).

    These are the guys that are telling voters that the big "O" is bad, bad, bad for the USofA and to put them back in.

    I'm starting to seriously consider that many folks in the US … ARE, in fact, RUBES – easily influenced by misinformation campaigns.

    Right now – we are told that it's Franks and Dodd that helped to cause the meltdown – despite the fact that they were not committee chairs from 2001-2007 and in fact, in the minority unable to even move ANY legislation out of those committees and even if they had succeeded.. never made it past the House and Senate or the President.

    Yet the propaganda machine keeps right on going… and you know why? Because about 1/2 of the nation will believe it.

    we are becoming a nation of dumb stumps.

  5. Gooze Views Avatar
    Gooze Views

    Jim,
    There's a huge conundrum here, and it really doesn't have anything to do with Obama.
    As the distinguished commentaors have just noted, there's plenty of cash washing all over the place.
    Interest rates are at historic lows.
    So why isn't more money being loaned for either new investment or to rengotiate or otherwise salvage commercial and residential real estate?
    The answer? The banks either don't want to or are too afraid to.
    The trick is to get the money flowing through tax credits and perhaps, some stop-gap, short-term guarantees.
    I'm not all that afraid of a decades-long real estate deflation a la the lsot decade of Japan. The problem with Japan was that the government, tied to tightly to private business, did very little. Successful bounce backs from real etate crashes are more common than ones remaining forever in the tank. (that's one of my fears with your project — you always see the glass half empty.).
    At the same time, I am annoyed that so little has been done on necessary financial regulation reform, such a reeling int he rtings agencies and gtighting some of the credit-equity ratios. You can still have a strong economy with common sense regulation. Problem was with Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush we all got into the "magic of the market" and threw caution to the wind.
    So, let a lot of the pent-up cash flow but keep your head. You'll see a lot of the problems you raise go away.
    Peter Galuszka

  6. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    Peter, I agree that the bad debt problems are a relatively short-term issue. We'll work our way through the problem. My point is that the bad-debt overhang will slow the recovery in the current business cycle. In a future post, I will address the longer-term problem of the over-extended consumer.

  7. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Peter – I think that markets still work, but for markets to work, there must be provisions to make markets open, transparent and fair. The decoupling of the price of oil from supply and demand clearly shows that the market is not open, transparent and fair. Rather, it's being manipulated. Crooks have no place in a free market.

    Departments of agriculture in most states regularly inspects scales and gasoline pumps for accuracy. That's light-handed, but necessary, regulation not inconsistent with a fully competitive market.

    Larry – I think your argument that a member of the legislative minority cannot stop or change legislation or circumvent Executive Branch action falls apart quickly. Witness HCR. Barney Frank played a major role in stopping regulation of Fannie and Freddie. He's guilty as sin.

    TMT

  8. Larry G Avatar

    Barney had … A – vote TMT on the minority of that panel.

    How in the world can ONE VOTE from a minority member stop legislation if the majority wants it and the President wants it?

    When I hear things like this.. all I can think of is that somebody has constructed their own view of the world and it does not actually jive with the actual facts.

    Now why would folks think like that to start with?

    what are the facts?

    how many votes did the majority party have and how many of them voted for regulation?

    did the Republican majority oppose the regulation and vote against it – regardless of how Frank voted?

    I think they did.

    You had a Republican President, a Republican House, a Republican Senate and a Republican Banking Committee and the legislation failed because one member of the minority party killed it?

    Come on TMT – do you REALLY believe that?

  9. Mimi Stratton Avatar
    Mimi Stratton

    Regarding the views of Barney Frank, I've read recently that though he used to be an huge ally of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, he now thinks they should be dissolved as they are such a enormous drain on the budget (360 billion, I believe?) He's starting to advocate for another entity to be put in their place.

  10. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    All that money that got "lost" by homeowners must have gone somewhere. Is that why companies are sitting on hoards of cash?

  11. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "The only good use of the large pools of cash presently on many corporate balace sheets is domestic business expansion."

    Even if they can make more profitble investments overseas?

    Are we now encouraging government intervention to support American Business?

    Is "American Business" the ultimate in too big to fail?

  12. Larry G Avatar

    Barney Frank was a major (but I agree, misguided) ally of Fannie/Freddie and more than likely in cahoots with them in ways less than savory.

    but it strains credibility that the same Congress and President who pushed through tax cuts, funding for 2 wars, Medicare Part D and the Patriot Act were thwarted in reforming Fannie/Freddie by ONE MINORITY MEMBER of one committee when the majority had 12 votes.

    It this kind of fiction that is apparently accepted by people as fact and just a simple check of the dates – 2001-2007 when the President and both houses of Congress held complete sway of the banking committees .. some would have us believe that one guy … stopped the entire Republican-dominated govt from reforming Fannie/Freddie.

    If you want me to agree that Frank and Dodd were involved in some scummy business..no problem but if you want me to believe that they thwarted the Republican majority then I'm going to throw the BS flag.

  13. Larry G Avatar

    what's freezing the banks is pretty simple.

    When it comes to housing, we still have folks (fewer now) that think it is morally wrong to walk away from an underwater 'investment'.

    Business owners have no such qualms an right now – many Community Banks own a whole lot of bad paper and the only thing keeping them solvent is their cash assets – which they are not about to lend out to those who think they can make a go of it right now – but themselves will walk away if it don't work out.

    So the banks are looking into the abyss and they got a case of back end pucker.. and they are hating life… but not about to just jump.

    The ONLY way this is going to get better is when/if the economy turns…

    and here again.. we have folks who apparently almost giddy with the idea that if Obama fails – it's okay with them.

    I liken this to a large gathering of good old boys at the annual Darwin Championships.

    So the Conservatives are so unhappy that the only thing that will cheer them up is a total meltdown of the economy so they can say that the big "O" "owns" it and the only way back out is to put them back in.

    If things were not so bad – they'd actually be funny.

    Clowns are becoming more and more appropriate for some of these fools.

  14. Gooze Views Avatar
    Gooze Views

    Folks,
    If you five minutes to kill, checkout Barney Frank's political ontributions at the Center for Responsible Politics. Just about every mutual fund, hedge fund, whatever fund in Boston has bankrolled him. A lot of conservativers were terrified when Frank took over House Financial Services, but they were terrified for all the wrong reasons. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac being some of them.
    Peter Galuszka

    PS: Jim, thanks for yor comment. Maybe you'll shut off the hyperboyle machine (just kidding)

  15. Larry G Avatar

    I think if one checks the chairs of both the House and Senate Committees for the periods 2001-2007 and 2007-2010 you will find that the chairs pretty much received equivalent contributions from financial services companies – usually favoring whoever the chair was.

    I encourage an airing of the facts but who got paid what won't matter as much as who chairs that committee and what political party controls it, and the House and Senate and the Presidency.

    it's not like a Republican-controlled Congress and Presidency fails to pass legislation.

    They passed a lot – tax cuts, Medicare Part D, 2 wars, the Patriot Act, NCLB, and more.

    So I assume that if the Republicans had truly wanted to rein in Fannie/Freddie they would have done so.

    It they had … early in 2001, they may well have saved us from some of the mess we're in right now.

    but saying Barney is the one who stopped them … well.. show me the money..

  16. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Mr. Bacon:

    I agree with Groveton, good post!

    You do a nice job with many of the short term realities.

    We look forward to your longer term perspectives.

    In the medium and long term there is no possibility of โ€˜economic growthโ€™ if that means expansion of consumption โ€“ growth of consumption per capita or due to population increase.

    The reality for citizens to understand in the short run โ€“ and to take action on in the immediate future if humans are to stave off near term collapse โ€“ is how to minimize the pain for the majority from a shrinking economic pie.

    The goal must be of achieve a modest annual shrinking of the economic pie and a shift to renewable resources and thus avoid rapid collapse.

    At current levels of per capita consumption and for the current expansion of population the Earth past the tipping point in the mid 80s. Humans are now in Overshoot.

    If all citizens consumed as much as the citizens of the US consume now (even without iPads), the holding capacity of the Earth is less than 2 Billion humans. There are already 6.5 Billion humans and that means consumption levels on a par with India, not the US.

    Humans must learn to consume much less and they must do it very quickly. That is not anyoneโ€™s current perception of โ€˜economic growth.โ€™

    Professor Risse has pointed out that market economies and democratic processes cannot survive in an environment of growing Wealth Gaps within Regions or between Regions.

    Groveton speaks of some enterprises having cash reserves and that they need to โ€œinvestโ€ these funds.

    The problem is that there is no place to make significant โ€˜investmentsโ€™ โ€“ in the US or abroad โ€“ that will earn an โ€˜acceptableโ€™ return.

    That is because there is already more capacity to mine, manufacture, grow, ship, warehouse, advertise and sell โ€˜stuffโ€™ than there are the resources to employ workers so they can earn enough to be the consumers who pay for the โ€˜stuffโ€™ and generate the return on investment.

    The primary โ€˜opportunitiesโ€™ out there are speculation and paper profits from M&A. That means fewer jobs, no more. It means lower wages, less money to use to consume, much less save.

    That is the tragedy of a consumption based economy that is not in balance.

    As someone said recently, human's use and misuse of the Earth is a Ponzi scheme and the bubble has broken.

    We hope that Mr. Bacon points out that in the short term what is needed is for the interest rates to rise so that the tens of millions who saved โ€“ especially older citizens โ€“ can get a modest return on safe, insured investments e. g. CDs.

    Without a source of income, millions of older citizens will abandon underwater mortgages and exacerbate all the short-term forces that Mr. Bacon describes.

    Observer

  17. Mimi Stratton Avatar
    Mimi Stratton

    So sorry for the double post and for misspelling Mr. Galuszka's name. Was typing on Bethany beach with mobile phone teeny-tiny keys; looking out to sea–still no oil rigs visible!

  18. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Shrinking economic pie?

    What planet do you live on? Virtually every nation on earth is increasing their GDP. There is presently a shortage of container ships.

    GDP (GWP) (gross world product): (purchasing power parity exchange rates) – $59.38 trillion ๏ผˆ2005 est.), $51.48 trillion (2004), $23 trillion (2002)

    GDP (GWP) (gross world product):โ€™โ€™โ€™[4] (market exchange rates) – $60.69 trillion (2008)

    GDP – real growth rate: 3.2% (2008), 3.1% p.a. (2000-07), 2.4% p.a. (1990-99), 3.1% p.a. (1980-89)

    GDP – per capita: purchasing power parity – $9,300 (2005 est.), $8,200 (92) (2003), $7,900 (2002)

    And that is just what we count. It doesn't include perhaps a billion people who live outside of the market economy.

    To be sure, the world economy is ultimately limited by its geological resources, including energy, and its ecological/environmental resources including food production and carrying capacity for waste.

    Ultimately is not immediately.

    Even if dire predictions come true, what will be the result? Probably not dinosaur style extinction, but perhaps a major human die-off, similar to the plague.

    What then? The top of the ziggurat will most likely survive, and economic growth will immediately resume, although from a smaller base.

    Far from being a catastrophe, a major die-off might well be the fastest and cheapest way to solve our resource problems.

    Certainly the people that survive it will probably prefer that fate to one in which their economic pie gradually shrinks to sub-Zimbabwe levels.

    Congo is poor while its managers struggle for control of its mineral wealth, and Congo is not alone.

    Zimbabwe is starving because of gross disregard of property rights.

    Eritrea might be said to be living a renewable lifestyle, with 80% of its population living close to the land as subsistence farmers, but I don't see anyone holding Eritrea up as a green model. The way they manage balance with their resources is through starvation.

    Finally, by all means, let's manage the price of money so the interest rates can rise. In spite of the need for a declining economy.

    The interst paid on borrowed money comes from profits from the invested enterprise. But there is little reason to invest in new enterprises in a declining economy. The old and existing enterprises will have extra, unused, capacity as is.

    Observer can take his own retirement money and advetise it for loan in WAPO at 50% interst if he likes, but he will make the most money at the much lower market rate.

    Observer strikes me as seriously disturbed. In his opening paragraphs he stresses the need for less consumption and less economic growth.

    Then, later he blames all of this on more capacity to produce stuff than we have workers who can afford to consume it.

    Then, since there is no profit to be made form consumables, the only way for people with money to grow their stash is to speculate: bet against other people who have money.

    With perfectly circular symmetry he then claims this exercise is the reason peopel with money are not hiring people to make stuff that workers can consume!

    And that is why his retirement fund is not earning enoughpassive interest.

    My observation, Mr Observer, is that if you want to actually make money, create it from scratch, stop being a spectator. Go out and do work to build or grow something and sell it. When and if you do that, expect that you will need to speculate in the tools you use, and the resources you consume.

    Oh yeah, all those people with real money that are betting against each other? The bet is on whether you will succeed or fail.

    RH

  19. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    RH is largely right on several points and tragically WRONG in his conclusions.

    โ€œShrinking economic pie?

    โ€œWhat planet do you live on?โ€

    EARTH

    โ€œVirtually every nation on earth is increasing their GDP.

    GDP (GWP) (gross world product): (purchasing power parity exchange rates) – $59.38 trillion (2005 est.), $51.48 trillion (2004), $23 trillion (2002)

    GDP (GWP) (gross world product):โ€™โ€™โ€™[4] (market exchange rates) – $60.69 trillion (2008)

    GDP – real growth rate: 3.2% (2008), 3.1% p.a. (2000-07), 2.4% p.a. (1990-99), 3.1% p.a. (1980-89)

    GDP – per capita: purchasing power parity – $9,300 (2005 est.), $8,200 (92) (2003), $7,900 (2002)

    TWO PROBLEMS:

    1. THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW AND WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD?

    2. GDP IS A MEASURE OF CONSUMPTION NOT SUSTAINABILITY.

    GENUINE PROGRESS INDICATOR (GPI) HAS FLATLINED SINCE 1980 AND OTHER, MORE COMPLEX INDICATORS OF HUMAN WELL BEING โ€“ ONES THAT MEASURE SOCIAL STABILITY AND MORE ENVIRONMENTAL INDICATORS โ€“ HAVE BEEN GOING SOUTH AT AN INCREASING RATE SINCE 1973 AND ESPECIALLY SINCE 2000.

    โ€œThere is presently a shortage of container ships.โ€

    BECAUSE SHIP OWNERS ARE RELUCTANT TO PUT BACK IN SERVICE THE SHIPS THAT WERE MOTHBALLED (LAY-UP) DUE TO DROP IN DEMAND IN 2007, 2008 & 2009. SO FAR MANY ARE HEDGING THEIR BETS ON A SUSTAINED โ€˜RECOVERY.โ€™

    โ€œAnd that is just what we count. It doesn't include perhaps a billion people who live outside of the market economy.โ€

    SEE NOTE ABOVE CONCERNING GPI.

    โ€œTo be sure, the world economy is ultimately limited by its geological resources, including energy, and its ecological/environmental resources including food production and carrying capacity for waste.โ€

    NOW YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, THIS IS REALITY

    โ€œUltimately is not immediately.โ€

    THAT IS WHY HOLDING CAPACITY AND OVERSHOOT CITED IN OUR COMMENT ARE SO IMPORTANT. SEE DIAMOND AND โ€œCOLLAPSEโ€ AND 2010 STATE OF THE WORLD.

    โ€œEven if dire predictions come true, what will be the result? Probably not dinosaur style extinction, but perhaps a major human die-off, similar to the plague.โ€

    EITHER, OR SOME OF BOTH.

    BUT FOR THOSE WHO THINK CIVILIZATION IS WORTH SAVING NEITHER IS ACCEPTABLE

    โ€œWhat then? The top of the ziggurat will most likely survive…โ€

    NOT LIKELY. GIVE THEM A KNIFE, A MATCH AND A RABBIT AND THOSE AT THE TOP OF THE CURRENT ZIGGURAT WILL STARVE. THEY LIVE IN AN URBAN SOCIETY. WHO SURVIVES? A FEW SCATTERED SURVIVALIST CLANS AND A FEW PRIMITIVE, DEMAGOGUE TRIBES. NOT THE BASIS FOR A NEW GREAT SOCIETY.

    โ€œ…, and economic growth will immediately resume, although from a smaller base.โ€

    THE โ€˜GOOD NEWSโ€™ FROM THE BLACK DEATH AS NOTED IN DR. RISSEโ€™S โ€œTRILO-Gโ€ WILL NOT BE REPEATED FOR THE REASONS THAT HE (AND OTHERS, E.G. JANE JACOBS IN โ€˜THE COMING DARK AGEโ€) SPELL OUT.โ€™

    THE RESIDUE OF MOST WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE FAR MORE PERSISTENT THAN THE MICROBES OF THE PLAGUE.

  20. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Part II

    โ€œFar from being a catastrophe, a major die-off might well be the fastest and cheapest way to solve our resource problems.โ€

    TELL THAT TO THE NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING ON MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ECONOMY.

    โ€œCertainly the people that survive it will probably prefer that fate to one in which their economic pie gradually shrinks to sub-Zimbabwe levels.โ€

    LET US KNOW YOUR POLL RESULTS ON THAT ASSUMPTION.

    THE LARGER POINT IS THAT ZIMBABWE LEVELS OF POVERTY ARE NOT NECESSARY IF INTELLIGENT STRATEGIES ARE IMPLEMENTED SOON, EVEN WITH 6.5 MILLION CITIZENS. LESS PER CAPITA CONSUMPTION, MORE INTELLIGENT AND SUSTAINABLE CONSUMPTION AND OF COURSE, MORE FUNCTIONAL SETTLEMENT PATTERNS.

    โ€œCongo is poor while …โ€

    โ€œWHILEโ€ OR โ€œBECAUSE OFโ€ CORRUPTION DUE TO BELGIUMโ€™S FAILURE TO BUILD INSTITUTIONAL CAPACITY BEFORE IT ABANDONED THE COLONY?

    โ€œ… its managers struggle for control of its mineral wealth, and Congo is not alone.โ€

    โ€œZimbabwe is starving because of gross disregard of property rights.โ€

    SOME TRUTH HERE.. ZIMBABWE HAD A PRE-URBAN, QUASI COLONIAL ECONOMY THAT SURVIVED ON SUBSISTENCE AGRICULTURE, EXPORTS, AND EXTRACTIVE INDUSTRIES. SORT OF LIKE PRE REVOLUTIONARY US. PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT AND FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT IN THIS CONTEXT THAN IN AN URBAN SOCIETY.

    โ€œEritrea might be said to be living a renewable lifestyle, with 80% of its population living close to the land as subsistence farmers, but I don't see anyone holding Eritrea up as a green model. The way they manage balance with their resources is through starvation.โ€

    CONGO, ZIMBABWE AND ERITREA ARE NOT THE PLACES THAT ARE DRIVING MASS OVERCONSUMPTION. THEY EACH HAVE DIFFERENT SETS OF PROBLEMS.

    โ€œFinally, by all means, let's manage the price of money so the interest rates can rise. In spite of the need for a declining economy.โ€

    RH COMPLETELY MISSED THE WHOLE POINT RELATIVE TO THE TRUE CAUSE AND CURE FOR A โ€˜DECLINING ECONOMYโ€™ AND THE IMPACT OF INSUSTAINABILITY.

    โ€œThe interst [INTEREST] paid on borrowed money comes from profits from the invested enterprise. But there is little reason to invest in new enterprises in a declining economy.

    THAT IS ESPECIALLY TRUE FOR THE ENTERPRISE SECTORS THAT HAVE BEEN RELIED ON TO โ€˜GROWโ€™ THE ECONOMY IN THE PAST FOUR DECADES โ€“ AUTOS AND HOUSES IN THE WRONG LOCATION.

    โ€œThe old and existing enterprises will have extra, unused, capacity as is.โ€

    THAT WAS OUR POINT IN THE ORIGINAL COMMENT.

    โ€œObserver can take his own retirement money and advetise [ADVERTISE] it for loan in WAPO at 50% interst [INTEREST] if he likes, but he will make the most money at the much lower market rate.

    MOST WOULD BE HAPPY WITH 5 TO 7 PERCENT, THAT IS WHAT THEY PLANNED TO EARN ON THEIR SAVINGS WHEN THEY PUT THE MONEY ASIDE.

    โ€œObserver strikes me as seriously disturbed.โ€

    SINCE RH AGREES WITH OBSERVER ON MOST FACTUAL POINTS EXCEPT WHERE HE IS CLEARLY WRONG. DOES THAT MAKE HIM โ€œMORE SERIOUSLY DISTURBED?

    โ€œIn his opening paragraphs he stresses the need for less consumption and less economic growth.โ€

    TRUE

    โ€œThen, later he blames all of this on more capacity to produce stuff than we have workers who can afford to consume it.โ€

    HERE WE HAVE A GROSS FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUSTAINABLE PATTERNS OF STUFF CONSUMPTION AND UNSUSTAINABLE PATTERNS OF STUFF CONSUMPTION.

    RH HAVING FAILED TO GRASP REALITY, THERE IS NOTHING MORE THAT IS WORTH DISCUSSING.

    Observer

  21. Gooze Views Avatar
    Gooze Views

    Mimi Stratton,
    No proiblem with the last name. You are right that many Congressmen take conributions from big financial firms.
    I guess my point is that Barney Frank is a lot more moderate than his reputation and while that might be a good thing according to some, it seems tobe that a lot more can be done with reforming fnancial regulation. There has been very little real activity (save for the credit card bill).

    Peter Galuszka

  22. Groveton Avatar
    Groveton

    The Dems were so completely wrong about Fannie and Freddie. And the leader of that incompetent pack was none other than Barney Frank. Frank is an habitual liar and an utter clown.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63siCHvuGFg&feature=related

  23. Mimi Stratton Avatar
    Mimi Stratton

    I hold Barney Frank accountable. I hold Alan Greenspan accountable. I hold George W. Busch accountable. The Federal Reserve chairman, the Treasury secretary, and senior members of Congress–they are all accountable for the housing bubble and economic fiasco.

  24. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "The baseline scenario calls for global growth firming to 2.7 percent in 2010 and 3.2 percent in 2011 after a 2.2 percent decline in 2009….

    Prospects for developing countries are for a relatively robust recovery in 2010, with growth of 5.1 percent in aggregate."

    World Bank

    RH

  25. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Observor:

    Your original post simply said there was no possibility for intermediate or long term growth if that means growth of consumption, consumption per capita or due to population growth.

    No mention was made of whether this was to bbe done sustainabley.

    In my response I pointed out the numerous reaqsons this view is false: we will have economic growth, one way or another.

    And I pointed out that ULTIMATELY our economy is limited by the natural resources we can produce and the ability of the environment to absorb wastes.

    But then in your response [which appears to have been ghost written by EMR] you merely claim that " GDP IS A MEASURE OF CONSUMPTION NOT SUSTAINABILITY."

    This is merely changing your original argument, which in no way diminishes my response, especially since it already addressed the problem of ultimate sustainability.

    The rest of you rresponse is either childish and meaningless retort, or tacit agreement.

    For example I suggested that iven if your dire predictions come true the result is probably not extinction but die-off and subsequent recovery. We are already seeing this happen in some nations.

    You agreed with me,saying : "EITHER, OR SOME OF BOTH." and continues [web shouting] "BUT FOR THOSE WHO THINK CIVILIZATION IS WORTH SAVING NEITHER IS ACCEPTABLE"

    If that's the case then I suggest that those who think civilization is worth saving are bien unrealistic. I doubt the dinosaurs thought extinction was acceptable either, but that was the reality they faced: through no fault of their own, I might point out.

    If we merely suffer die-offs, then I suggest civilizaton will come back stronger, just as it did after the plague with the introduction of better sanitation.

    The interesting thing to me about this argument is that you argue for both civilization and sustainability, when observation suggests they are incompatible. Most everything we regard as sustainable exists in the natural world where civilization is mostly lacking, and killing without remorse, culling the weak, and die-offs are accepted.

    Yet, to suggest that since we are part of the biosphere, we may inevitably face the same limitations, despite our attempts at civilization, is (hypothetically) unacceptable:

    "TELL THAT TO THE NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING ON MAINTAINING THE CURRENT ECONOMY.

    ……

    LET US KNOW YOUR POLL RESULTS ON THAT ASSUMPTION."

    This last retort is really a chuckle, since the only way it can happen is if my prognostication is correct.

    RH

  26. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "THE RESIDUE OF MOST WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION ARE FAR MORE PERSISTENT THAN THE MICROBES OF THE PLAGUE."

    ——————————–

    You really shouldn't pick arguments that fall in my area of expertise. This simply isn't true.

    If it ever becomes true, we won't have to worry about those who think civilization is worth saving.

    RH

  27. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    I think Barney Frank was a representative from my district before he became a senstor (and before I could vote, probably).

    I have met him, and he does present an unusual and some would say clownish aspect, but like many powerful people he has a certain magnetism and presence that does not project through the media.

    Rather than argue over the man we should stick to examining the history of our policies and the results, as far as we can discriminaqte them from other events.

    RH

    RH

  28. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    โ€œIn his opening paragraphs he "stresses the need for less consumption and less economic growth.โ€

    TRUE

    โ€œThen, later he blames all of this on more capacity to produce stuff than we have workers who can afford to consume it.โ€"

    Also true.

    I agree there is no point in discussing a circular argument.

    RH

  29. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.

    "MOSCOW — For a decade, Russian academic Igor Panarin has been predicting the U.S. will fall apart in 2010. For most of that time, he admits, few took his argument — that an economic and moral collapse will trigger a civil war and the eventual breakup of the U.S."

    Say, EMR, here is someone who might peer review your stuff.

    RH

  30. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Global Economic Forecast 2010-2015
    by Sheldon Filger

    "In his provocative look at the global economic crisis, Sheldon Filger presents an urgent warning that the unprecedented budget deficits and growing national debt to GDP levels of major advanced and developing economies will result in a critical sovereign debt crisis by 2012, plunging the global economy into a synchronized depression. Though the avalanche of sovereign debt has been justified by policymakers as the solution to the economic crisis that exploded with the collapse of Lehman Brothers in September 2008, Sheldon Filger provides compelling data and a cogent analysis that convincingly demonstrates that the present trajectory being pursued by decision makers in the United States and other major economies will inevitably lead to fiscal collapse."

    Sheldon Filger is founder of GlobalEconomicCrisis.com, one of the world's leading websites devoted to the global economic crisis.

    RH

  31. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "The main lesson here about international trade, whether it involves foreign vehicles or Chinese imports, is that we only hear half the story when politicians, unions and domestic producers focus on the jobs lost from trade. What we don't hear is the story that involves the significant benefits and millions of dollars of cost-savings for American consumers and businesses, and the millions of jobs created from international trade – directly by the American firms using foreign inputs that operate more efficiently and competitively with low-cost inputs and thereby expand output and hire more workers, directly by the American suppliers, retailers and dealers who distribute and sell imported goods like Japanese vehicles, and indirectly by the American firms that benefit from increased output, sales and employment because of the significant cost-savings from cheaper imports that translate into increased demand for other goods and services. "

    From Carpe Diem

    RH

  32. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "Connecticut Power and light recently asked the state's Department of Public Utility Control to change its pricing structure starting in 2012. The proposal calls for a 10 to one ratio in off-peak to critical peak pricing.. The national average in December was around 9.44 cents per kwh, according to the Energy Information Administration. Connecticut's average retail price at that time was 17.94 cents. Under the proposed plan peak power rates could be as high as $1.60. The rates for CL&P's proposed peak-time pricing are expected to reduce peak demand and perhaps more importantly help recoup a substantial portion of the cost of installing some 1.2 million smart meters starting in 2012, which is estimated to be nearly $500 million."

    adapted from
    Greentech Media

  33. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "I think Barney Frank was a representative from my district before he became a senstor (and before I could vote, probably)."

    What is a 'senstor'?

    Barney is still a member of the house.

    What is the Fauquier number for AA?

  34. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "The baseline scenario calls for global growth firming to 2.7 percent in 2010 and 3.2 percent in 2011 after a 2.2 percent decline in 2009….

    "Prospects for developing countries are for a relatively robust recovery in 2010, with growth of 5.1 percent in aggregate.

    "World Bank"

    And what was the World Bank prospect for 2007, 2008 and 2009 in 2005 and 2006?

  35. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "I think Barney Frank was a representative from my district before he became a senstor (and before I could vote, probably)."

    What is a 'senstor'?

    Barney is still a member of the house.

    =============================

    I stand corrected. At the time I met him around 1975 he was a state representative, which was the intent of my statement. The personal observation remains: recall him as a person of unique presence.

    Good to see an error makes one a candidate for AA.

    RH

  36. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    And what was the World Bank prospect for 2007, 2008 and 2009 in 2005 and 2006?

    ——————————

    What was the weather forecast the day before it turned out to be wrong?

    Please, if you have an argument to make, make it, but don't insult us with cheap logical fallacies.

    The world bank sugests the global economy will increase in the near term (however unsustainably).

    You, and a Russian Professor who thinks the US will split into five parts in 2010, to be taken over by other nations, don't think so.

    I think that if we are going to solve our environmental, ecological, and economic problems we are either going to find ethical and egalitarian ways to do it, or we won't.

    How's that for a conditional/irrefutable EMR-style statement?

    I'm also not convinced that a civilized conclusion is inevitable. If you really believe that the only answer is natural sustainability, then the "civilized" approach is probably undesireable.

    The ugly part isn't over yet. When it is over we will have economic growth. Some will benefit from the current turmoil and some won't.

    Predators eat well while the water hole shrinks.

    RH

  37. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Here is a scary graphic concerning ugly beng over….

    Percent Job Losses During Recessions, aligned at Bottom

    http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/

    If you think previous hisstory applies, this may be a time to buy. On the other hand, it won;t really be over until 2015 or later.

    If the Republicans get elected in 2012, who are they going to blame, three years later?

    RH

  38. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    A question to ask at the next gathering of your friends, co-workers or neighbors:

    If citizens knew…

    …โ€œKnewโ€ not because they were told by political, religious, enterprise, or scientific โ€œleadersโ€ or by MainStream Media, but โ€˜knewโ€™ because they also could gather, confirm and analyze the data …

    … that the cumulative result of their activities (the current economic, social and physical trajectory) would result in collapse of civilization as it is now known,

    And that this collapse would be akin to the 60 plus million-years-ago demise of dinosaurs and other animals or at the very best would be akin to the Black Death of the 14th century,

    would at least 80 percent agree that profound changes were required to avoid that future?

    Or would they try to figure out a way so that โ€˜othersโ€™ would have to change and / or bear the brunt of the collapse so they could continue to enjoy the perks of the current trajectory?

    Observer

  39. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    They would try to figure out a way so that โ€˜othersโ€™ would have to change and / or bear the brunt of the collapse so they could continue to enjoy the perks of the current trajectory.

    What makes you think they might change from what they are doing now?

  40. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "
    In every human society, special privileges are reserved for individuals gifted with the ability to โ€œpredict the future.โ€ Such individuals are known by various titles (for examples, babalawo, shaman, scientist, etc.), and they typically spend many years in preparation for their esteemed status, studying natural phenomena and human social behavior in all their complexities.

    It is easy to understand why we want information about the future. We seek to avoid natural disasters such as earthquakes and human-made disasters such as climate change. Hence, the biblical visions captured in the stories of Noahโ€™s ark and the conservation of biodiversity following global flooding,…..But making accurate predictions is not necessarily accompanied by planning to avoid disasters. We tend to discount heavily risks that seem too far in the future.

    …[C]ollectively we face the future with an incredulous impotence. The climate summit at Copenhagen in December 2009 produced no concrete agreement despite decades of scientific treatises and prestigious prizes.

    In the native traditions of revelations associated with deities, disasters are typically avoidable with the prescription for individuals, families, and whole communities to give us some material possessions, called sacrificial rituals for lack of a better phrase. So too it seems, that implementing the societal changes necessary to respond to scientific revelations must require sacrifices at the global level.

    We are called to reduce our appetite for petroleum-guzzling technologies, invest in public health and urban engineering, re-discover small scale agriculture, and redefine the essence of the โ€œgood life.โ€"

    Oladele A. Ogunseitan, Ph.D., M.P.H.
    School of Social Ecology,
    University of California, Irvine,

    http://www.academicjournals.org/ajest/PDF/pdf%202010/Feb/AJEST-%20Editorial%20-%20February%202010.pdf

    Some things never change: shamans and sacrifices.

    RH

  41. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Environmentalists wild predictions

    -Global cooling
    -US famine
    -Demise of England
    -Gold, Mercury, and siver shortages. [Mercury?]
    -Shortages of Petroleum, copper, lead, and natural gas by 1992

    In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, "The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000."

    George Wald in 1970 warned, "… civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken

    Gaylord Nelson warned, in Look Magazine, that by 1995 "… somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct."

    In 1885, the U.S. Geological Survey announced there was "little or no chance" of oil being discovered in California,

    In 1939, the U.S. Department of the Interior said American oil supplies would last only another 13 years.

    in 1974 the U.S. Geological Survey advised us that the U.S. had only a 10-year supply of natural gas. The fact of the matter, according to the American Gas Association, there's a 1,000 to 2,500 year supply. [Of course we may not be able to burn it]

    When Ehrlich predicted that England would not exist in the year 2000, what steps should the British Parliament have taken in 1970 to prevent such a dire outcome? In 1939, when the U.S. Department of the Interior warned that we only had oil supplies for another 13 years, what actions should President Roosevelt have taken?

    Finally, what makes us think that environmental alarmism is any more correct now that they have switched their tune to manmade global warming?

    Walter Williams

    http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/2008/05/many-consensus-environmental.html

    What is really amusing is, that if these guys keep it up long enough, one of them will eventually be right.

    As the world is ending they will wrap their robe around themselves and say "I told you so."

    I'm not so sure that we prevent the end of "Civilization As We Know It" by sacrificing Liberty on some Mayan altar.

    RH

  42. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    One more leader puts on the blinders.

    "Gov. Bob McDonnell said this week that he recently withdrew his support from the Governors' Wind Energy Coalition after the group sent out a letter expressing support for a national renewable electricity standard with his name without his permission. "

    RH

  43. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "Don't worry, we'll be fine"

    Joel Kotkin

    In his book, โ€œThe Next Hundred Million: America in 2050,โ€ รผber-geographer Joel Kotkin sketches out how this growth will change the national landscape. Extrapolating from current trends, he describes an archipelago of vibrant suburban town centers, villages and urban cores.

    The initial wave of suburbanization was sprawling and featureless. Tom Wolfe once observed that you only knew you were in a new town when you began to see a new set of 7-Elevens. But humans need meaningful places, so developers have been filling in with neo-downtowns โ€” suburban gathering spots where people can dine, work, go to the movies and enjoy public space.

    Over the next 40 years, Kotkin argues, urban downtowns will continue their modest (and perpetually overhyped) revival, but the real action will be out in the compact, self-sufficient suburban villages.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/06/opinion/06brooks.html?th&emc=th

    Emphasis mine
    RH

  44. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "the number of Americans earning between $35,000 and $70,000 declined by 12 percent between 1980 and 2008. But thatโ€™s largely because the number earning over $105,000 increased by 14 percent. Over the past 10 years, 60 percent of American adults made more than $100,000 in at least one or two of those years, and 40 percent had incomes that high for at least three."

    David Brooks

    RH

  45. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "Participation in organizations like City Year, Teach for America, and College Summit surges every year. Suburbanization helps. For every 10 percent reduction in population density, the odds that people will join a local club rise by 15 percent."

    David Brooks

    RH

  46. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "….in general, growth in emissions depends on how effectively energy use can be changed to offset the effects of economic growth. Across the OECD as a whole, growth in emissions has been mainly due to economic growth (both GDP per capita and population growth), as well as an increase in primary energy required for final energy consumption, offset by falling energy intensities and a declining share of fossil fuels.

    Overall, the large fall in the energy intensity of OECD economies over 1982โ€“1997 has been driven primarily by falling energy intensities in the services and industry sectors of the USA and the services sector of the European Union, but these have been offset somewhat by rising energy intensity of services in Japan. The influence of falling energy intensities and the declining share of fossil fuels weakened in the five-year period
    1992โ€“1997 resulting in faster emissions growth. There were sharp difference between countries, with population growth and worsening fuel mix playing a much stronger role in the USA compared to the EU and Japan, but with the US making much larger reductions in energy use per unit of GDP ."

    ============================
    Emphasis mine.
    Listen carefully:

    in general, growth in emissions depends on how effectively energy use can be changed to offset the effects of economic growth.

    This is Jevon's paradox in action.

    The growth in emissions implies that increased efficiency does not result in lower emissions. In fact, increased efficiency contributes to economic growth.

    Also, the US is making large reductions in energy use per GDP partly because for those countries that are presently ahead of us, their next unit of decrease is more expensive: the marginal costs of efficiency get higher and higher at each progressive step, and therefore that step is less likely to be taken.

    RH

  47. Groveton Avatar
    Groveton

    "Tom Wolfe once observed that you only knew you were in a new town when you began to see a new set of 7-Elevens.".

    What is it about Richmonders born with a silver spoon in their mouths? They all become self-appointed social critics of everything. This particular flake (Tom Wolfe) parades around in a suit made from a white table cloth telling everybody else how banal they are.

  48. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    This is Brooks referring to a Wolf observation.

    I think it was just a lead-in to the next sentence, about how humans need meaningful places and developers have been creating new down towns.

    I expect that pretty soon we'll get a lecture on how misguided Kotkin and Brooks are.

    RH

  49. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, 'The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000.'"

    Gee, I wonder whether this has anything to do with fundraising! I always suspicious of any entity looking to "do good" on someone else dime. But then, they wouldn't have been as successful had they said: "Support our efforts to work towards greater consideration of environmental issues in government decisions."

    TMT

  50. Mimi Stratton Avatar
    Mimi Stratton

    I love Tom Wolfe! The only problem I have with Wolfe is that after reading his stuff–Yes! after reading and reading for hours–I start to write like him! With lots of exclamation points!! And . . . ellipses!

  51. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    โ€œI expect that pretty soon we'll get a lecture on how misguided Kotkin and Brooks are.โ€

    You already did, you just forgot. What is that number for AA?

    Actually, Kotkin is often right. He just employed terrible Vocabulary. What is โ€˜suburbanโ€™ about diverse, urbane components of human settlement patterns? They sound a lot like what Prof. Risse calls Balanced Communities or in more dispersed locations Balanced But Disaggregated Communities outside the Clear Edge.

    Brooks is a paid contrarian. When the smart money says โ€˜sell,โ€™ he finds a way to say โ€˜buy.โ€™ He also loves cars and auto dependent settlement patterns. But then anyone who bothers to look up his work knows that. Before cars became unpopular with intelligent folks he was against cars…

    The bigger question is why does โ€˜RHโ€™ not get his own site so he can wallow with those who agree with him?

  52. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    โ€œI expect that pretty soon we'll get a lecture on how misguided Kotkin and Brooks are.โ€

    You already did, you just forgot. What is that number for AA?

    Actually, Kotkin is often right. He just employed terrible Vocabulary. What is โ€˜suburbanโ€™ about diverse, urbane components of human settlement patterns? They sound a lot like what Prof. Risse calls Balanced Communities or in more dispersed locations Balanced But Disaggregated Communities outside the Clear Edge.

    Brooks is a paid contrarian. When the smart money says โ€˜sell,โ€™ he finds a way to say โ€˜buy.โ€™ He also loves cars and auto dependent settlement patterns. But then anyone who bothers to look up his work knows that. Before cars became unpopular with intelligent folks he was against cars…

    The bigger question is why does โ€˜RHโ€™ not get his own site so he can wallow with those who agree with him?

  53. Groveton Avatar
    Groveton

    Speaking of "The Ugly Ain't Over" …

    McDonnell has managed to resurrect Virginia's Confederate History Month just in time to cancel any positive sentiment which might have accrued to him from his management of the recent GA session and the budget deficit.

    I am almost ready to dust off some of the old terminology on my blog site and commentary. First, the Dems have the temerity to challenge Cuccinelli's schedule as AG after Kaine went AWOL for 6 months and then the Repubs want to go back to teaching the "War of Northern Aggression".

    Only in Virginia.

    Groveton

    http://www.grovetonsvirginia.wordpress.com

  54. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "The bigger question is why does โ€˜RHโ€™ not get his own site so he can wallow with those who agree with him?"

    ——————————
    What fun is that? It would be mental masturbation. If you want to wallow only with those that agree with you, you can start your site as easily as I can. I'm sure you would find it satisfying.

    Why do you have to make this a matter of agreement or personality or right vs wrong?

    All I do here is see stuff that I think is incomplete and I try to add additional information.

    Like, the economy is dying, unless you look at the increase in container and rail shipping.

    If you want to say that the shortage of container ships is because the owners are hedging their bets, that's fine, but the reason it is an issue is still because container shipping is UP.

    Why try to ignore or divert discussion from the facts? No points are scored, no one wins or loses, and the facts stay the same.

    I don't see how you expect to make the most of them or get the best results, if you coose to ignore half the data.

    RH

  55. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    TMT said:

    "In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, 'The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000.'"

    And EF was right.

    You have heard the one about 'do not shake your head,' right?

    Well, the housing bubble was shaking of the head and what do you know.

    The questions are:

    How far has the Overshoot taken humans?

    What will be left when a sustainable course is obtained?

    And / or what happens when it is not?

    As RH points out some say dinasours, the optomistic ones say Black Death.

    Observer

  56. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Greenspan has acknowledged congressional pressure for expanded subprime lending occurred. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSWAT01427220100407?type=marketsNews

    But then, what are taxpayers for?

    TMT

  57. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    The questions are:

    How far has the Overshoot taken humans?

    What will be left when a sustainable course is obtained?

    And / or what happens when it is not?

    =================================

    A sustainable course WILL be obtained.

    The questions are:

    whether mankind is part of it,

    whether we participate meaningfully in planning and executing it,

    what will be our moral basis for deciding who participates in the sustainable future and who doesn't.

    RH

  58. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    "We keep getting richer. Progress is real. There will always be poor people. Character counts.We can be happy now with what we already have. We have plenty. But the wife always wants to remodel the kitchen."

    From another blog.

    So here, is the real fatal flaw in EMRs dismal prognosis (world prognosis, not his prognosis).

    Sex.

    What the wife wants, the wife gets.

    RH

  59. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Just about every economic indicator you can think of is UP since this article was posted.

    Only bad thing still hanging out there is government debt and unemployment, both of which are going to take time to resolve.

    RH

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