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  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Yep, I agree but the problem is that as long as there is Fed money “available”, you can’t leave it on the table…. but this is totally small potatoes compared to the Federal flood insurance program which basically encourages and rewards folks building in flood prone places.

    If the Fed every pulled out of the subsidized flood insurance program , many beach places would be changed dramatically – starting for the banks who would no longer finance mortgages for such risk.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I cannot argue with the sentiment that a locality or state should take advantage of any available federal funding. My larger point is that federal money should not be available for projects such as this.

  2. I totally agree with your sentiments.

    I believe that Sandbridge has a special service district that levies a tax to pay for its sand widening projects. See: https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1994/vp941102/11020476.htm

    So, you can vacation in Sandbridge guilt free, knowing that you are paying your fair share of sand replenishment!

    I’m not sure about the Virginia Beach resort area. I would note, however, that city inhabitants and visitors do pay a meals and lodging tax that should raise more than enough money to pay for the replenishment. Where that money goes, I’m not sure. I recall various efforts to capture that money for convention centers and other economic development projects.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Oops, I didn’t did all my homework. I do note in the article you referenced that the taxing district was set up to raise only the city share of the cost. The city was still depending on state and federal funds for 65 percent of the cost.

  3. Acbar Avatar

    “As long as there is Fed money “available”, you can’t leave it on the table….” That goes for a lot of things including our grand scheme for health insurance subsidies — Medicaid expansion, anyone? It’s an endemic problem: when the feds endorse ‘Solution A’ and actually fund it, why decline the dollars on principle — unless there’s no alternative solution on the table or you don’t think it’s a problem that needs solving. Virginia’s tourism industry is in competition with the other States and we need to take our share of any subsidies available. Likewise, Virginia’s shoreline residents need to claim all the FEMA insurance payouts they can get so long as this counter-productive subsidy persists. As LG implies, that doesn’t make it right.

    This is also another example of what Steve H was talking about the other day: State subsidies — in that case, for nuclear and “green” electric generation — which may be what the public wants, but which give the subsidized players a big advantage in the wholesale electric markets where the competition to sell capacity and energy is supposed to be based strictly on each generator’s economics (thus treating independent generators and the big legacy utility generation alike regardless of who owns them or what State they are located in). Do we really want to put the competition out of business, thus destroying the market?

    What we ought to have is (1) a national consensus on what goal these subsidies are attempting to achieve, and (2) a national carbon tax or the like to advance that goal evenhandedly. Instead we have a State-by-State patchwork of rules that undermines regional, multi-state grid markets; as of now there is no federal rule on the subject. Whether climate change is your concern or not, this mess, under-the-radar but affecting us all, is what can happen when there’s no federal leadership at all. I’m not holding my breath for a federal solution here but one is badly needed.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I know you specified Medicaid subsidies but did you know that regular employer-provided heath insurance is also subsidized and actually is the largest tax expenditure in the tax code?

    So decisions are made with respect to whether the government should or should not (for instance) not tax employer-provided health insurance. I don’t consider not taxing health insurance or providing 410K/IRA that are not taxed until you retire – as “leaving money on the table” – in the same way that Fed grants are made “available” to localities if they apply for them.

    but when it comes to health insurance – there are subsidies for most of it whether it’s employer-provided, or Medicare, or Medicaid or ObamaCare and one’s health care is a different critter than folks sunbathing on a beach for fun and taxpayers paying for it.

    We subsidize health care and retirement – but that’s different fram sand beaches… I guess one could argue about what should or should not be subsidized but in the case of health care – as long as we have EMTALA – which requires hospitals to treat you even if you don’t have insurance – that’s also a “subsidy” right?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      You are right–we need to make decisions on what will be subsidized. Fifty years ago, the United States made the decision that ensuring a minimum level of health care for vulnerable citizens (Medicaid and Medicare) would benefit society as a whole. Providing wide beaches that primarily benefit property owners along those beaches does not measure up to the same level of societal benefit.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Good post, Dick.

  5. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    How does this fit with the crazed rhetoric on climate change and rising sea levels? If things are as bad as some predict, we need to be moving uses away from the existing sea coasts.

    And, yes Medicare and Medicaid are more important than rehabilitating beaches.

    1. TBill Avatar

      No just rising sea level but the land is sinking. But we are talking a slow process. Meanwhile presumably with some adaption techniques such as building on stilts and beach management, there are potentially many decades of qulaity vacations there.

      We used to have a cottage on Lake Erie and they had to be build on 6-ft stilts not due to climate change, but every spring the snow melt down the river caused a 5-7 ft deep floods of the cottages, on rare occasions into the first floor (what a mess). My grandparents on both sides had neighboring cottages.

    2. TBill Avatar

      Not just rising sea level but the land is sinking. But we are talking a slow process. Meanwhile presumably with some adaption techniques such as building on stilts and beach management, there are potentially many decades of quality vacations there.

      We used to have a cottage on Lake Erie and all of the cottages had to be build on 6-ft stilts, not due to climate change, but every spring the snow melt down the river caused a 5-7 ft deep floods of the cottages, on rare occasions into the first floor (what a mess). My grandparents on both sides had neighboring cottages. The Army Corp of Engr tried to fix the issue every year but it always got worse, unless they finally solved it.

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