Right to Life March Falls on Deaf Ears as Dobbs Makes Abortion Issue More Difficult for Republicans
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Republicans in 2024:
There, there, there, little ladies…
I know you had to flee in the dead of night at your own expense, drive your 10yo out of state, deliver in a toilet, bleed out in a parking lot, lose your fertility, puke on the witness stand, be shot by your enraged/controlling pro-life ex. but you needn’t resort to HISTRIONICS. You merely misunderstand…all of this is for your own good. You’ll realize that…someday.
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DNA tests show that the product of conception is a human being, not part of the mother or father. Some restrictions should be made on when killing a human being who has done nothing wrong is permitted. The GOP has failed to make this argument. Rather, the GOP has ducked the issue.
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And, for up to 10 weeks they’re ALL females therefore banning abortions after just 6 weeks ensures only females are aborted.
Nothing wrong?! Ain’t you heard of Original Sin?
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I do appreciate your comments, but unfortunately, facts don’t matter, especially to a large number of female voters, during a campaign — and frankly, the best thing the GOP can do is just message better on the facts and why Dobbs is not the end of the world for abortion. The days of supporting life beginning from conception for politicians is now political suicide.
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Facts don’t matter to…*checks notes*… women/female voters? https://media3.giphy.com/media/0wf4VPPrUKr3ZmMoAx/giphy-downsized-small.mp4
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“…facts don’t matter, especially to a large number of female voters…”
Why “especially” to female voters, Ken…? I think your true colors are peaking out here. Might want to tuck them back in.
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referring to the overwhelming majority of women voters – I used the term “large number” — who do not favor restrictions on abortions — even ones that are designed to put limits on late term abortions, which are so few in number
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There are times when we must die to uphold the truth. Abortion kills a human being who has done no wrong.
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Is this belief related to religion? Is it possible for an atheist to hold this same position per their own moral beliefs? If the law is different from your belief, do you abide by the law?
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My statement is based on science (Biology), not religion. DNA tests show that the product of conception is a human being. A scientific atheist would agree.
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If the law is different from your belief, do you abide by the law?
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Why do you introduce “belief”? I am talking about scientific knowledge.
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It’s scientific knowledge but it’s not definitive as to where human life “begins”. There are widely varying views
of that and based on other factors.So you pick where you want to be – what your “belief” is
and my question is – where your own values, judgements, beliefs are not in accordance with the Law,
what do you do? Do you abide by the law even if it contradicts your own values?There is no way a law can meet the expectations of everyone, right? Say, killing criminals.
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I have seen nothing questioning where human life begins. I have seen questioning about when personhood begins. Give me some references with questions about when human life begins. If you gave a scientist a cell from an embryo and asked him from what kind of being it came, he would say from a human being.
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It’s your perspective and not in agreement with others perspectives. He might well say “from” but would he/she say “is”. See what you did there? Again – we have the law and we have individuals “beliefs” and we have process that involves elections and if one REALLY believes at conception -run for office and be fully honest about what you’d do if elected, don’t talk about “restrictions”, say what they will be if you vote. If you can’t win office , then you have your answer in terms of what govt and law is and most of us do abide by them even when we don’t agree. That’s the way the founding fathers designed the country to work. Way, way better than having some religious folks impose their beliefs on others.
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My perspective is from a scientific point of view. Let’s keep our discussion on the science, not the implications of the science.
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“DNA tests show that the product of conception is a human being.”
The product of conception is a fertilized egg. The product of gestation is a human being.
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A biologist, on examining a sample cell, would find that a sample cell from the egg had been taken from a human being.
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“A biologist, on examining a sample cell, would find that a sample cell from the egg had been taken from a human being.”
A biologist examining a sample cell taken from an amputated finger would also conclude that it was taken from a human being. That does not make the amputated finger itself a human being.
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Good point, but it does show that the cell was taken from a human being, not some other type of being. I guess that, if the finger had been attached to some other type of being, the biologist would be deceived; however, the finger would originally come from a human being. So, too, the cell from the human embryo. Further DNA testing of the parents of the human embryo would show that it is not part of the mother or father. It was not grafted from either one. It is a different (new) human being, at the size, shape, condition, etc., expected of a new human being.
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But it is not the size shape or condition of a human being. Unlike the parents, it can not survive on its own outside the womb. It can be frozen and reanimated. It is nothing but the potential of a human being until fully gestated.
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But it is not the size shape or condition of a human being. Unlike the parents, it can not survive on its own outside the womb. It can be frozen and reanimated. It is nothing but the potential of a human being until fully gestated.
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No scientist would say the cell came from a “potential human being.”
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They would say it was a human cell but they would never say that it came from a living human being.
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natural law and positive law Larry… one is superior
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If you live in a country that has laws, and conflicts between those laws and your personal beliefs – your options?
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Natural rights are not personal beliefs. What are you some lawyer?
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Natural rights are not personal beliefs. What are you some lawyer?
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And obviously if positive laws conflict with natural law you have unjust laws and tyranny. You know, like what the government did during COVID.
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well, isn’t that a matter of opinion and elections?
COVID is a good example of how a majority weighs in and the rights of the minority are considered but your “rights” end where mine begin. right?
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Nope. But natural rights would TRUMP the laws of the country or not? What are your options if your
belief in Natural Laws is add odds with the laws of the country?
And, for up to 10 weeks they’re ALL females therefore banning abortions after just 6 weeks ensures only females are aborted.
Nothing wrong?! Ain’t you heard of Original Sin?
Republicans in 2024:
There, there, there, little ladies…
I know you had to flee in the dead of night at your own expense, drive your 10yo out of state, deliver in a toilet, bleed out in a parking lot, lose your fertility, puke on the witness stand, be shot by your enraged/controlling pro-life ex., but you needn’t resort to HISTRIONICS. You merely misunderstand…all of this is for your own good! You’ll realize that…someday.
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Republicans will consider Watergate the good ol days….
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100,000?? Big crowds. Yuge. It’s like they’ve never heard of Pete Wilson (Pete, who?…exactly!)
They only planned for 50K and didn’t even release a crowd estimate after because they underperformed.
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No woman has to do all these things, but you are histrionic if you believe it and youve proved my point. This narrative only works to get votes and that’s all Democrats want — power and control by any means necessary
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YOU LIE.
https://apnews.com/article/texas-boyfriend-shoots-woman-after-abortion-0fe0f687a808e9e60282c361c8cbdbf4
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pittsburgh/news/ohio-woman-miscarried-home-toilet-spared-criminal-charges-grand-jury/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna95162
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/kate-cox-and-the-inhumanity-of-the-anti-abortion-movement.html -
YOU LIE.
https://apnews.com/article/texas-boyfriend-shoots-woman-after-abortion-0fe0f687a808e9e60282c361c8cbdbf4
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pittsburgh/news/ohio-woman-miscarried-home-toilet-spared-criminal-charges-grand-jury/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna95162
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/12/kate-cox-and-the-inhumanity-of-the-anti-abortion-movement.html-
You proved my point again.;
all these articles are focusing on the outliers and dystopia, which sure helps Dems win elections. If this is the media you follow, no wonder you’re so misinformed about this issue. Ill bet you didn’t even read the facts in my article.-
Keep thinking there’s not a LOT more beneath the tip of the iceberg these stories represent. Mm hmm. Yep. Do that. Be sure to tell all the women and girls just how wrong they are about what’s happening to women and girls like themselves (I’d avoid the perimenopausal ones tho, their filters may be less functional). Do report back what happens afterward.
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You might want to revisit today’s news…
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-republicans-bill-ivf_n_65b927ade4b05c8779f643af
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/texas-ag-trans-youth-medical-records_n_65b81785e4b01c5c3a37c713
Texas and Florida are BIG states, not outliers.
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Ken why is Virginia so slow in reporting abortion data? We have to wait years like it is part of the Warren Report. But if I want to know data on every other conceivable way that Virginians died last year I can have that right away.
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its the CDC that collects the data state by state. im unsure if virginia cant disclose it until the CDC gets it. But we wont know about 2023 for two years and that’s the first year Dobbs-related restrictions went into effect, but abortions keep declining yearly anyway
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Dobbs=modern day Dred Scott/Plessy v. Ferguson. MARK.MY.WORDS. Applying Dobbs, TX courts have found women have no rights that a state is bound to respect– not to life, not to health/medical care, and not to liberty/self-determination; also, separate and unequal treatment based on pregnancy is A-OK. Once you see it (the parallel logic) you can’t unsee it. Go read those decisions and report back. Good luck scrubbing women’s eyes.
I think the problem is the Republican unwillingness to speak up.
Abortion is the killing of a human being. The zealots are the Democrats. When is killing the baby too much? Morally, for me, the only moral case could be made in the case of the life of the mother. And even that is not black and white. Some mothers would want the baby to live. But I can see the compromise positions.
So the Dems play hardball and advocate baby murder, and Pubbies think being quiet is the answer. It wasn’t. Make them state when too far – 39 weeks? 25? 20? 15? 12? 10? 6? Show them this -https://www.windowtothewomb.app/ Make THEM acknowledge their barbarism.
You can make abortion “legal,” but it won’t really make it “right.”
Play hardball like the Dems do.
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This is probably the only issue you and I agree on. Walter. I always suspected that, if Roe were overturned, politicians who had been loudly pro-life would suddenly get cold feet because then they would actually be able to either ban abortion completely or severely restrict it and that would not be a popular political position. As Ken Reid said, they had Roe to hide behind. I was “righter” than I had thought.
Unless the Republicans can take back the House of Delegates in 2025, a constitutional amendment protecting abortion will be on the ballot in 2026 and it will probably pass, I’m sad to say.
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I think we have agreed on one or two other things… you can’t be wrong all the time!
(Unlike some others…)
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I thought Kaya Jones brought up some good points on this topic the other day.
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Republicans have been heard, loud and clear. So, too, is their barbarism. See Paxton, Ken. TX’s teen birth rate (same state as the dead, puking, fleeing women) increased for the first time in 15 years in 2022. Note: births declined in black and white women and girls. Hmm…what do they know about misogyny and patriarchy and male control that newer residents don’t? Women in my circles, black and white, who were able immediately secured long-acting birth control and emergency contraceptive stockpiles. Who lacked access to that info and those resources? Brown women. If you’re worried about being replaced, you should be EXTRA worried now.
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/26/texas-abortion-fertility-rate-increase/-
There has been an ongoing set of comments on two sides of issues between Walter and Virginia Gentleman—both of which have been permitted within reason because they were not personal attacks. . The alternative is to delete dozens of comments. You can’t have it both ways.
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If you really believe that and have character and principles, why would you support abortion at all no matter how many weeks?
That would be playing hardball.
Sticking to your principles and refusing to support and candidate that violated them and insist that GOP candidates also be honest and forthright about what their principles are.
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Because I now how evil works Larry. And you and the rest of the baby killers are evil. So I will compromise to shut you up, but you will still be evil and still be baby killers.
Why won’t you baby killers admit baby killing is bad and stop advocate for baby killing? No, you’re good with murder for convenience. Nice try. I’m not the zealot. The baby killers are. And I’m not in favor of killing babies!
Understand?
Have you ever thought of anything, independently, on your own, coming to your own conclusion, rather than mindlessly repeating the D talking points?-
Compromising your principles and blaming on others? Not willing to stand forthright for what you believe because you fear consequences? IF one will not stand for what he says he believes, do we believe any of
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It looks like my prior comment to you was removed, even though I thought it was within bounds. I think calling people who advocate for unlimited abortion “baby killers” is accurate. It might seem “mean,” but you don’t help people by lying to them.
So riddle me this Larry – if I am immoral for not agreeing to stop all abortions, what does that make you for wanting to have more abortions? I would be fine with zero. What’s your number? When do you, oh great moral Larry, think it is too far? What’s worse – “hypocrisy” or murdering an innocent human being? Please answer oh wise one? And I’m not a hypocrite – I still say it is wrong and will always say so, while pointing out the barbarism of advocating for the “right” to kill a baby.
In the birth canal?
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Do your guys lose because people don’t believe them when they say some number of weeks (violating their
own beliefs) and their intentions are really to keep reducing the weeks whenever they can? Wouldn’ that be considered dishonest and wrong when running for election? If you’re fine with zero, why not run on that and be truthful about it? -
Tell me your number oh great moral one.
No, you and the rest of the evil liars want to keep scaring people, for truly horrible reasons, to retain power. That’s evil. I can handle my own morality, and you ain’t the judge of me. Quit being the shill you are… -
The number? Is the one that a majority of voters deem acceptable. We abide by laws not your own beliefs.
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The answer is whatever weeks are required by each individual pregnancy and the mother’s circumstances (as decided by the mother and her doctor). No voters or legislators should be at that table.
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Agree but we have other individuals, who are not women and lack that perspective and cling to their own ideologies to impose on others , not unlike the Taliban and other primitive thinking. In this country, the only protection is at the ballot box and the same folks are fine with suppressing votes if they know they will lose.
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But if the govt says “You must take a vaccine]’ or “Must wear a mask,}” that’s okay with you, right?
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Don’t recall getting that letter to instruct me to report to the vaccine center… maybe all in someone’s mind?
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You really think taking a vaccine or wearing a mask is the equivalency to terminating a pregnancy…?
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you proved my point! you think govt has a role to mandate mask wearing and vaccines, even though there may be sketchy medical benefit, but it’s not the govt’s role to set limits on killing a baby in the womb? To you and other liberals, it’s just a “pregnancy.” Shameful
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More than 5 billion people around the world voluntarily received the covid shots, actually sought them out.
If you can’t accept that as fact and reality that it clearly is, then we sorta know the rest
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You believe the government has no authority to require you to don a mask or receive a vaccine in certain circumstances (welcoming small pox back are we, Ken) but you believe they have the authority to force a woman to carry a fetus to full term regardless of the personal risk or impact on her. Sorry, the two aren’t even close in comparison.
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I have been censored for simply generalizing about Conservatives because someone might be insulted… smh…
Eric-/How many times have you flagged innocuous comments about liberals? For a while, you were doing it multiple times a day. I checked and it’s been 1-3 months since one of your comments was deleted for being unacceptable. Complaining about moderation is off topic. Have a specific objection? State it. You know where to send such.
the problem is that the Roe decision made a constitutional right to an abortion and it was a “right” for 50 year until “Dobbs” and a large number of voters, especially women, don’t think there should be any legal restrictions — the Dems and media have won out inframing this as “health issue” and thus, only doctors and patients (women) should decide — despite the fact, there are a lot of restrictions on what docotrs and other providers can and cant do by law It’s emotion vs. fact
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It is totally emotional and not rational. Which is why you never use the Marxist’s terms. It is not “reproductive health care.” It is baby killing. I know so many will say I am “crude” and “mean,” but not telling the truth let’s people, mostly women, ignore and rationalize the reality that you are choosing to end a human life…and one that did nothing wrong. It’s brutal and barbaric. So which is worse – saying “mean,” true things…or killing a baby?
If Pubbies were smart (a hypothetical), in every State where the Dems do the let’s kill more babies play, the hypothetical Pubbies would play the windowtothewomb app on billboardseverywhere, project it on the sidex of buildings, run it on TikTok ads (to be censored). If you see it, you can’t unsee it.
“State Control” has always been rhetorical sleight of hand. Why is state control superior to the individual control we had before? It’s just the movement trying to spin the news when it realized a national ban was a pipe dream, and Dobbs was going to have backlash.
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The smart money has always been on controlling women as the conservatives’ aim. Unfortunately, a new generation of women has had to learn this lesson the hard way. Now they have to claw back what was taken– the right to THEIR lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
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Total b.s. and more liberal histrionics.
It’s interesting that you want no government control over a “woman’s right to choose,” but how do you feel about the government requiring COVID vaccines and masks? Ill bet you support that . Furthermore, the US has the most liberal abortion laws in the world. Virtually all western countries have limits on abortions and that]’s what the 15 week restriction was designed to do. Or, do you want post partum abortions, too, like Kathy Tran and Ralph Northam defended??-
You’re not going to convince me that conservatives come bearing positive intent. Focus on the majority of voters…oh, wait…that would be women. Your repeated invocation of the hysteria trope is perfect tho. Be sure to lead with that. Don’t stop believin’!
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You’re not going to convince me that conservatives come bearing positive intent. Focus on the majority of voters…oh, wait…that would be women. Your repeated invocation of the hysteria trope is perfect tho. Be sure to lead with that. Don’t stop believin’!
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How about rejecting school lunch programs?
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You’re not going to convince me that conservatives come bearing positive intent. Focus on the majority of voters…oh, wait…that would be women. Your repeated invocation of the hysteria trope is perfect tho. Be sure to lead with that. Don’t stop believin’!
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Hysteria. Interesting. Root is from the Greek for womb.
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Yes. Walter, Plato and Freud, companions in ignorance. Hippocrates believed the uterus broke free and roamed the female body causing “hysteria”. Stupid then, stupid now. Ironically, he is also the source of the hippocratic oath (FIRST, DO NO HARM). Strange, NOT, conservatives can’t even get that right.
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“Or, do you want post partum abortions, too, like Kathy Tran and Ralph Northam defended??”
When you have to resort to falsely painting your opponent’s position, you know you have lost, Ken.
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“State control” in this context means “state regulation.” States have always regulated the practice of medicine, not the FDA or federal government, except the Medicaid and Medicare program has influence via funding policies. No doctor, nurse or pharmacist can practice without a license from the state, not the feds. In the Dobbs ruling, the Supreme Court noted that 3/4 of the states had outlawed abortion even before the 14th amendment was adopted — which is what Roe was predicated on. All the court did in ’22 was put this decision back with the states. it did not ban abortion at all and in the coming months, I hope they will uphold the FDA approval of the abortion drugs and not give that control to the states. ill paste the key passage from Dobbs below
From Dobbs: “Guided by the history and tradition that map the essential components of the Nation’s concept of ordered liberty, the Court finds the Fourteenth Amendment clearly does not protect the right to an abortion. Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right. Until a few years before Roe, no federal or state court had recognized such a right. Nor had any scholarly treatise. Indeed, abortion had long been a crime in every single State. At common law, abortion was criminal in at least some stages of pregnancy and was regarded as unlawful and could have very serious consequences at all stages. American law followed the common law until a wave of statutory restrictions in the 1800s ex¬panded criminal liability for abortions. By the time the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three-quarters of the States had made abor¬tion a crime at any stage of pregnancy. This consensus endured until the day Roe was decided. Roe either ignored or misstated this history, and Casey declined to reconsider Roe’s faulty historical analysis.” Casey is another SCOTUS decision cited in the opinion
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Dobbs=modern day Dred Scott/Plessy v. Ferguson. MARK.MY.WORDS. Applying Dobbs, TX courts have found women have no rights that a state is bound to respect– not to life, not to health/medical care, and not to liberty/self-determination; also, separate and unequal treatment based on pregnancy is A-OK. Once you see it (the parallel logic) you can’t unsee it. Go read those decisions and report back. Good luck scrubbing women’s eyes.
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Dobbs=modern day Dred Scott/Plessy v. Ferguson. MARK.MY.WORDS. Applying Dobbs, TX courts have found women have no rights that a state is bound to respect– not to life, not to health/medical care, and not to liberty/self-determination; also, separate and unequal treatment based on pregnancy is A-OK. Once you see it (the parallel logic) you can’t unsee it. Go read those decisions and report back. Good luck scrubbing women’s eyes.
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Dobbs=modern day Dred Scott/Plessy v. Ferguson. MARK.MY.WORDS. Applying Dobbs, TX courts have found women have no rights that a state is bound to respect– not to life, not to health/emergency medical care, and not to liberty/self-determination; also, separate and unequal treatment based on pregnancy is A-OK. Once you see it (the parallel logic) you can’t unsee it. Go read those decisions and report back. Good luck scrubbing women’s eyes.
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You also proved my point about hisrtrionics. were you aware that women still have access to abortions in all 50 states up to 10 weeks of pregnancy by medications or did you not read the article?
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Again…THIS IS NOT TRUE. ELEVEN STATES HAVE HEARTBEAT BILLS that ban abortion 6 weeks past LMP (last menstrual period), four weeks after sexual contact. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/18/parenting/abortion-six-weeks-pregnant.html#:~:text=The%20reason%20doctors%20still%20use,developing%20about%20four%20weeks%20ago.
Your ‘article’ is DEEPLY flawed and inaccurate.
Also, read up on the push to ban access to mifepristone, one of two drugs necessary to do a less painful, more complete, early abortions as well as clear missed remains after a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage. I assume you support that effort (to make others suffer)? Because adding/ensuring pain by removing access to helpful medicines and increasing the risk of complications is a net positive for those who would ‘save babies’ and starve children every summer. Gotta love conservative logic.
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18th and 21st… what goes around comes around
Temperance Unions always lose in the end because they don’t know how to win.
Deaf ears?
Students for Life President Kristan Hawkins: “Rape prevents pregnancy”
Here’s the full quote: “Surprisingly people tend to think that every woman who is a survivor of sexual assault gets pregnant, which is not true. About 5% of women who survive sexual assault get pregnant, and actually the horror of the sexual assault actually helps prevent a lot of pregnancies itself because your body’s natural response to this atrocity that’s happened.”
Guess y’all is right. College don’t help some peeps.
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The rose-colored echo chamber/cult of personality is far more powerful than messy reality. Never mind that some of the most vocal opponents of republican policies on abortion access are (now former) Republican men and women who’ve been burned/traumatized. I’ve had people tell me preteens don’t get pregnant in America so there’s no need for a rape exception. Whaaaa? It’s like they’re on another planet.| So-called pro-lifers didn’t want to wrestle with protecting life after birth, or with pregnancy complications, or with sexual abuse, or with intimate partner violence, or health issues, or ambiguity of any kind and now they’re about to get slapped down. HARD.
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The rose-colored echo chamber/cult of personality is far more powerful than messy reality. Never mind that some of the most vocal opponents of republican policies on abortion access are (now former) Republican men and women who’ve been burned/traumatized. I’ve had people tell me preteens don’t get pregnant in America so there’s no need for a rape exception. Whaaaa? It’s like they’re on another planet.| So-called pro-lifers didn’t want to wrestle with protecting life after birth, or with pregnancy complications, or with sexual abuse, or with intimate partner violence, or health issues, or ambiguity of any kind and now they’re about to get slapped down. HARD.
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The rose-colored echo chamber/cult of personality is far more powerful than messy reality. Never mind that some of the most vocal opponents of republican policies on abortion access are (now former) Republican men and women who’ve been burned/traumatized. I’ve had people tell me preteens don’t get pregnant in America so there’s no need for a rape exception. Whaaaa? It’s like they’re on another planet. So-called pro-lifers didn’t want to wrestle with protecting life or supporting women and children after birth (GUNS!, Medicaid, WiC, childcare, family leave), or with pregnancy complications (Medicaid), or with sexual abuse (custody laws do not exclude rapists), or with intimate partner violence (VAWA), or health issues (human frailty), or ambiguity of any kind and now they’re about to get slapped down. HARD. Because it turns out just close your legs doesn’t work when someone pries them open or when God has other plans.
The ghoulish Right To Take Life..
“The execution took about 22 minutes from the time between the opening and closing of the curtains to the viewing room. Smith appeared to remain conscious for several minutes. For at least two minutes, he appeared to shake and writhe on the gurney, sometimes pulling against the restraints. That was followed by several minutes of heavy breathing, until breathing was no longer perceptible.”
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And you oppose that, right?
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22 minutes to do what could have taken 0.2 seconds? Yeah. After 30 years on death row he could have been LWOP in the gen pop and posed no continuing threat.
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I agree. I don’t agree with the method of execution, and I also don’t think we as a society should sanction the killing of anyone without an extraordinarily good reason related to the safety/security of our society.
Two nights ago I was watching one of the news channels that isn’t Fox (can’t remember which one). They mentioned the upcoming execution and a couple of talking heads were discussing the nitrogen hypoxia execution method. My seven-word comment to Mrs.WayneS was: “This is not going to end well”.
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I’m pretty sure I know you well enough to say the only reason you’d sanction murder is in the event of self-defense and/or the defense of others. Why should we allow society any greater latitude? Now, we’re restricted to “imminent threat” and maybe because of the term of incarceration, we need to change imminent to something else, so I opt for continuing.
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You’re pretty much correct. Of course, I do not consider killing in self defense or the defense of others murder. Homicide, certainly, but not murderer.
I also do not unequivocally oppose the death penalty. Unless there is a way to assure that the most violent serial killers and murderers of children will actually remain in prison until they are dead, with no chance of parole, then I think the death penalty is appropriate for those criminals. With the caveat that I would not sentence anyone to death based solely on circumstantial evidence.
In any event, I oppose using nitrogen hypoxia as a method of execution.
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You’re pretty much correct. Of course, I do not consider killing in self defense or the defense of others murder. Homicide, certainly, but not murderer.
I also do not unequivocally oppose the death penalty. Unless there is a way to assure that the most violent serial killers and murderers of children will actually remain in prison until they are dead, with no chance of parole, then I think the death penalty is appropriate for those criminals. With the caveat that I would not sentence anyone to death based solely on circumstantial evidence.
In any event, I oppose using nitrogen hypoxia as a method of execution.
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It’s the equivalent of strangulation. Believe this, if he hadn’t been sedated, and he was, then the witnesses would have gotten a real show. Granny fights like Hell with a pillow over her face.
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“As much as I have been pro-life since the 1990s when my ex-wife and I went through fertility issues, as a former elected official”
I don’t know about your specific circumstances, Ken, but many couples rely upon fertility treatments to conceive and the process often results in multiple zygotes (or fully living human beings as the Religious Right like to describe them) being created and often destroyed. As such, the same RtL folks seek to shut down such treatment centers.
This article raises some points folks might want to consider. Right now the protections provided in states with strong limitations make people fear – and experiences so far bear this out – they are effectively all out bans. So the words are touted as providing protections for the life of the mother but in practice, there is no protection.
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Correct.
“As much as I have been pro-life since the 1990s when my ex-wife and I went through fertility issues, as a former elected official”
I don’t know about your specific circumstances, Ken, but many couples rely upon fertility treatments to conceive and the process often results in multiple zygotes (or fully living human beings as the Religious Right like to describe them) being created and often destroyed. As such, the same RtL folks seek to shut down such treatment centers.
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I think that is in the minds of some….
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and guess what — im not one of those and neither are MOST republican elected officials. Name me ONE state that has shut down fertility centers or sought to ban contraceptives? Stop being so dystopic and histrionic
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I think you should have a talk with the US Catholic Conference of Bishops which is pretty explicit in how they view IVF. Here is a snippet:
“To avoid the problems of carrying and rearing “too many” babies after several have been implanted, doctors sometimes engage in something euphemistically called “fetal reduction” or “selective reduction.” Here they monitor the babies in utero to see if any have defects or are judged to be not as healthy as the others. Then they eliminate those “less desirable” babies by filling a syringe with potassium chloride, maneuvering the needle toward the “selected” baby in the womb with the aid of ultrasound, and then thrusting the needle into the baby’s heart. The potassium chloride kills the baby within minutes, and he or she is expelled as a “miscarriage.” If it cannot be determined that one baby is less healthy than the others, some doctors simply eliminate the baby or babies who are easiest to reach. Again we see the unspeakable diminishing of the value of human life which can arise from this procedure.”
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I was surprised by the number 626,000.
Globally there is big trend to less births. China is not having success getting women to start having kids again. World population is expected to top out at 9-10 Billion, then world population will fall back precipitously perhaps as low as 5 Billion and perhaps further. Brings up questions as to how the world/China will have workers, and of course Social Security needs a re-think in 2034 due to the massive fall-off in U.S. birth rates, there are way fewer people paying into SS now.
I was thinking we could gauge the Armageddon of climate change by the fall-off in world population, but apparently it is already trending down as far as projections. Funny to me the experts who predict world population never seem to account for the many Billions of deaths the Left projects due to climate change.
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or starvation?
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This is happening all over, I believe to sustain a population you need a birth rate of 2 and the US is under that but, other nations are significantly under that.
I saw that North Korea had been telling their women to get pregnant and fully their duty to the state.
https://apnews.com/article/north-korea-kim-jong-un-birthrate-72d59d0e2c685549ba8cd8734d8a7fe2
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Turns out, the more empowered women are, and the more information they have access to, the fewer kids they have. Countries can’t even pay women to have more kids. It will take a wholesale reevaluation of the relationships/burden-sharing between men and women and between government and families to change that.
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And it’s largely religious people having children. In a few generations there will be a cultural shift no doubt.
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I wouldn’t say that exactly. The youth may be born into religious families but they don’t tend to stay religious as adults. Not in this country anyway. Just look at what happened to Generation Joshua. Too many scandals. Too much hypocrisy.
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You rightly focus one on of the big pictgure issues our national leaders are NOT addressing since they’re so wrapped around the axel about abortion. I have been delving into population atrticles and yes, we now have subzero pop[ulation growth in the U.S., especially among whites. Ever wonder why there is so much interest in artificial intelligence and allowing for open immigraiton? It’s because birth control — including abortion — is curtailing the population of the western world. I could do an article just on this — in particular, the devastating impact on the black population, not just of abortion but crime, heart disease, cancer, etc. It’s bad
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Why “especially among whites”? Aren’t Americans, Americans and (color be darned) interchangeable? Do non-“white” people not exist in the western world? I note that you’re now OPENLY equating birth control and abortion. Tell us you’re for forced pregnancy/birth without openly saying so. GROSS.
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You have Dobbs to thank due to efforts of grassroots religious organizations, not the Republican party.
Republicans are losing the war because they’re basically Democrats from the 1990s. Most of the party stands for not much of anything other than warmongering and nation building. Fiscal conservatism? Lol. They can’t even elaborate on why abortion is such a horrid practice.
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We have Trump to thank for Dobbs , right?
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That’s more than a little bit partisan. Dems want to destroy the country as it is, due to climate change and eco-extremism. Repubs want eco-common sense as second or third top priority. First top priority is banning abortion and taking control of women’s lives, maybe gun freedom second. That is our current situation.
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more histrionics. I suppose you believe Israel is committing gencide in Gaza, and the West Bank, despite the fact the Arab population has grown exponentially?
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What Republicans are running a pro life platform these days exactly?
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I would prefer Republicans focus on much bigger issues where we can win,not abortion. Sorry. It lost us the General Assembly in 2023 because Youngkin & Co. didn’t come up with a car tax repeal BEFORE the election, crime package, etc.
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