Psst, the War’s Over
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103 responses to “Psst, the War’s Over”
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I take it you have not considered what that flag means to its bearer.
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On the other hand I had a small confederate flag flying on my dash for years. A friend asked what it meant and I said “Too much government.” I suspect the resistance today is approaching that of 1860. The Feds are out of control.
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Sold the car. Here in rural WV the Confederate flag is common but I have never seen a swasti. I think you folks are falsely projecting an aberration onto a large population. We are as proud of our WWII vets as we are of Lee and Jackson.
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“If your symbol has been co-opted and you continue to cling to them, then you are co-opted too.”
Vermonters in the 1920s
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Uh yep. And it was taken back. Thanks to the FBI and DoJ.
And what’s left switched flags back to their original one.
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You beat me to the punch, Sir. This is where my thoughts were heading regarding the co-opting of flags.
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Still a free Country, for now – freedom of speech, Dick. He may proudly fly his flag however he wishes.
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Never said that he couldn’t.
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Perhaps not; but, what you attempted to do was to publicly insult the man for what he holds to be dear and true. He may have a deep attachment to both of the flags to which you referred. Many, many do. You failed to ask – simply assumed, based upon an apparent bias.
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Many folks dropped their allegiance to this flag when this happened:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/06/politics/nikki-haley-confederate-flag/index.html
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Is that why they burned American flags in NYC?
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burned them all across the country as I recall.. but did not replace them with Confederate flags or Don’t Tread on me flags either…
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Well that makes no sense.
The question is why didn’t they concentrate their flag burning on confederate flags and Don’t Tread On Me flags?
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Well that makes no sense.
The question is why didn’t they concentrate their flag burning on confederate flags and Don’t Tread On Me flags?
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cuz it was the current govt policies they were opposing…. the war… equality for women and minorities, etc… they wanted the existing govt to address the issues…
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What are you talking about? The flyer directly links their flag burning with the murders by Dylann Roof.
You are the one who cited those murders as the catalyst for people abandoning the confederate battle flag.
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What are you talking about? The flyer directly links their flag burning with the murders by Dylann Roof.
You are the one who cited those murders as the catalyst for people abandoning the confederate battle flag.
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I was not commenting on the flyer but the fact that Roof was showing a confederate flag and
after his killings, the flag was taken down in SC and disowned by others for similar reasons.I had assumed you were alluding to the burning of the American flag by protesters in the sixities..
and in that case, it was dissatisfaction with the govt and long before killers like Roof.Sorry if I missed your point.
Yeah, went back and looked more closely at the flyer… I did not see that sentiment as widespread across the country… it looks to be an isolated group but their point was that America still was not addressing the roots of people like Roof… that others like him continued to be a dire threat to black folks and the govt was not really focused on dealing with them until after the fact.
If we had black folks flying black power flags and busting into white churches and slaughtering folks… all hell would break loose, right?
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If we had black folks flying black power flags and busting into white churches and slaughtering folks… all hell would break loose, right?
Lord, I hope not. I would expect rational, reasoned, investigations into the killings. If there was a proliferation of them, I would expect the investigations to expand so that it could be determined whether there was an organized effort behind them.
As opposed to jumping to the conclusion that everyone who flew that particular flag was a racist and announcing without evidence that there was an organized effort behind the killings. You know, like was done after the Dylann Roof murders.
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Oh I don’t think everyone concluded that all who flew that flag was racist. OTOH, if you fly that flag then go slaughter black folks in a church… it does cause folks to be concerned about the potential connection between to the two – to the point where even conservative legislators agree to take down that flag from their statehouses.. manufacturers off their products, non-profits off their materials, etc. is doing that overreacting?
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…is doing that overreacting?
I never said, wrote, implied or even hinted that it was.
Burning the American flag after a lone-wolf lunatic murders a bunch of people, though? Yes, that is overreacting.
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if it is one more in a long series… ??
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You can’t get through. It’s getting thicker.
Dick,
I’m not used to such snarky comments from you. Your thoughts shared here are far below your usual standard. Certainly everyone knows who won the terrible conflict between the states in the 1860s — thanks for reminding everyone, again. The Confederate battle flag is a symbol that has been co-opted by hundreds of various groups around the world. It is seen being waived from Michigan, to France, to Germany, and Japan, in every corner of the world. Who knows what it ‘means’ to those who abuse this flag today. Just like the Stars and Stripes, the Stars and Bars was a patriotic banner meant to rally its supporters. While both flags should be honored, and I do, the Confederate battle flag has been stollen from the honor of those who fought under it trying to defend their homeland. The Confederate battle flag should be relegated to the same fate as the swastika — ban it, make it illegal. It’s true meaning has been lost. As the saying goes, the victors write the history. In this case, it seems like the victors continue to feel threatened by a symbol from the past. I’d say drop it, but that won’t happen. Sad.
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In “With the Old Breed,” Eugene Sledge recalled how, after surviving (and winning) the Battle of Pelelieu, some Marines from Southern states hoisted a Stars and Bars. As Sledge told it, the Marines from Southern states laughed and cheered, the Marines from Northern ones frowned, and the California Marines wondered what the big deal was.
Would you have told Sledge and his Dixie Marines that his side lost?
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I’m confused. Do you want to drop it or make it illegal? (Last I knew the swastika has not been banned or made illegal, at least not in our country).
Ha! Mr. Dick! I was returning from an Old School Baptist baptism today in Sperryville. Driving back on Route 211 to Warrenton, I noticed an orange Dodge Charger closing fast at mach speed. As the car sped past I waved and yelled out to blow the horn. The driver obliged and the horn blew Dixie. The driver of the Charger, bedecked in the emblems of the famous General Lee, was none other than Ben Jones, aka “Cooter”,from the iconic show. That made my day. I quickly lost sight of Cooter and the General.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUbakT7fQZ0
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Didn’t he run for office as a Democrat? Jones?
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Yellow Dog
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Ben Jones held the Congressional seat that he lost to none other than Newt Gingrich. And you know the rest of the story from there. In 2002 Ben Jones ran as a Democrat in Virginia’s 7 district. Wiped out by Eric Cantor. You know the rest of that story too.
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Just to satisfy my own curiosity, what is an “Old School Baptist baptism”? Immersion in a river?
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Personally, I wish it involved fire.
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It was one year ago today Mr. Dick. Immersion in the Thorton River near Sperryville. It is a beautiful service. Clouds of gnats though. Where did Aarron’s Creek Church have their baptisms? My guess would be down by the old Pettypoole Mill.
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It was one year ago today Mr. Dick. Immersion in the Thorton River near Sperryville. It is a beautiful service. Clouds of gnats though. Where did Aarron’s Creek Church have their baptisms? My guess would be down by the old Pettypoole Mill.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09831d0810300f46e2652f19da93430ef081cb28a1f58e89617adcc14ea7fd55.jpg-
Wow! You know about the Pettypooles!
No, when I was growing up there, I and others were baptized in the Aarons Creek Baptist Church baptismal pool.-
The Pettypooles were close friends of my 4th great grandfather. In old age, Harwood Lockett returned to visit with his dear old friend Tom Pettypoole. Harwood died during that visit and was laid out in the Pettypoole parlor right next Rt 58 and Aaron’s Creek. Buried in an unmarked grave at the old Lockett plantation. It took me 15 years to find that graveyard and put a monument up. This region of Virginia has a great and colorful local history.
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I felt somewhat disillusioned when I saw that the Pastor in the baptismal was wearing fishing waders under his robe!
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I wonder how many of these they destroyed and how many backups they kept around for replacements. Or maybe they just played the same shot over and over?
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From what I have heard 317 1969 Dodge Chargers were destroyed during the entire run of the TV show (about 3 per episode). I personally doubt it was quite that many, but it is rumored that the show ended up causing a shortage of 1969 Chargers on the classic car market as compared to other model years. The ’69 body & grill were unique, made only for the one year (the entire run of “2nd Gen” Chargers was only from 1968-1970).
I’ve also heard that in the later years of the show, because of the market shortage, the producers of the show used some 1968 Chargers and even some “disguised” AMC Ambassadors as stand-ins on jumps (the most damaging stunt), using clever camera angles to mask the fact that the car was not a ’69 Charger.
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I would guess you also enjoyed Bullit and Smokey and the Bandit! 😉
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Not so much. The movies are okay, but I rarely watched the Dukes of Hazard.
I just really like the 1969 Dodge Charger – especially the one with the 426 V-8.
Besides that, Bullitt featured a Mustang if my memory serves, and Smokey and the Bandit was all about that Pontiac Trans Am.
Addendum: Holy cow. I just looked it up, and the original ’68 Mustang fastback used in Bullitt sold for $3.4 Million in 2020.
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Not so much. The movies are okay, but I rarely watched the Dukes of Hazard.
I just really like the 1969 Dodge Charger – especially the one with the 426 V-8.
Besides that, Bullitt featured a Mustang if my memory serves, and Smokey and the Bandit was all about that Pontiac Trans Am.
Addendum: Holy cow. I just looked it up, and the original ’68 Mustang fastback used in Bullitt sold for $3.4 Million in 2020. Of course, for my $3.4 million I’d rather have a 1964 Ferrari 275GTB… 😉
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I’m more a fan of the movies Le Mans and Grand Prox.
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action flicks.. yes… way different than say… Doctor Zhivago that left greater and longer lasting impressions!
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Indeed… when the “official” war ended, the actual war on blacks continued… and you kinda knew who the players were by their flags and garb.
Someone ought to ask the motorcycle guy what meaning he imparts to the Confederate flag. He could be an ancestor-venerating Sons of Confederate Veterans type, he could be a proud Southerner, he could be a white supremacist, or he could be someone who wants to flash a big middle finger toward the dominant culture. The flag means different things to different people. The Left has largely succeeded in labeling them all white supremacists, which they aren’t.
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That’s it, Sir. Thanks for the mature sanity and reason.
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Let’s bring the Irish Flag into this twisted discussion. Many brave Irish fought and died on both sides of the Civil War (more north than south, due to where they were when it started). The Irish Flag was carried by Regiments, North and South, during the war. Those who carried the Irish Flag on the Southern side lost the war, after losing to the English. Does this mean we should forever ban the Irish Flag?
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No one labeled this guy as anything. But if you adopt something that others have also as hate symbols…, taken off of license plates, flag taken down in South Carolina and other states, what does that mean? Would you fly that flag in front of government buildings these days?
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Apparently pointing out to the boss that any other reason for that flag is still white supremacy is verboten.
Sons of the Confederacy, eh? Lemme see, what was the purpose again of the Confederacy, it’s Cornerstone one might say?
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Southern Romanticism.
Same thing as prewar German Romanticism.
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No, it doesn’t. It means exactly one thing. It always has; always will. It’s stands for the bloody defense of slavery.
Sons of the Confederacy? The Confederacy existed for exactly one reason. It’s battle flag exists for that reason. The secession documents cited it. The Cornerstone Speech stated it.
Veneration? How about a Sons of the SS? They could just be venerating their ancestors too.
No point in pointing out the fallacy of your position. You, or a henchman, will simply delete it.
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Ya know James, if there are so many innocuous reasons to display the Confederate flag then hows ‘bout you add it to the BR banner page?
What harm, eh? Who could object?
The fact that it pisses off you and the others is the reason it remains so popular with some, Dick. The poster size photo I have of the Stuart statue unveiling, battle flags flying, hangs in my garage. Come on over and have a hissy fit. I keep it because I lived and worked on the circle for a decade and saw it daily.
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It’s not that it pisses me off. It just makes me sad that there are still a lot of people that glorify the darkest part of our history in which people fought to split up the United States in order to deny freedom to other human beings.
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It makes me sad that people wear Che t-shirts, and current “teachers” idolize Lenin, Marx, Nietzche, etc…
It is a piece of cloth. And I am pretty sure the whole point is a big F U to his “betters.” Kinda goes with the biker vibe…-
sometimes hard to tell who’s making a statement and who has got more than a statement to make…
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Well, then I guess the Stars and Stripes will have to go, too. These are Vermonters in the 1920s.
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I recognize him. He was one of JimRyan’s Lawn “ambassadors” protecting the F UVA sign when Bert Ellis “crossed state lines” with a…RAZOR! The horror!
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Indeed. The Blue Team brown shirt squad should give their symbols back to the Marxists. After that a long soaking bath and new wardrobe could do wonders for the future of these youths.
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Read your history, Dick. Who were those who “fought to split up the United States in order to deny freedom to other human beings”. That statement is a horrible oversimplification of the truth of the time. Read Lincoln’s own comments, written and verbal, about his intentions towards slavery and the Negro of the time. Yes, the Civil War rapidly brought an end to slavery – there is the blessing of it all; however, there was much, much more.
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Virginia still supports this:
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I knew someone whose last name was Sample. Bummed out that DMV displayed them everywhere but they couldn’t have one.
Yes, those are the “Taxed Enough Already” folks who willingly fork over $10 or more per year to say it. Free speech? Wellllll, perspective.
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irony also, given that license plates are how the govt can “track” you! The best kind of
“don’t tread on me” plate is where you make your own with your own numbers also!Might be harder to do now days with the advent of automated license plate readers!
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I’m curious as to why none of these brave souls don’t just get regular Va tags and put their own snake decals on them. They have a favorable SCOTUS, and Hell, it’s right up the ACLU’s alley.
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Let us take a moment to remember the Motto of the Great Commonwealth of Virginia.
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Placing a decal upon a vehicle license plate is unlawful in most if not all states. Painting “Don’t Tread on Me” or a Confederate BattleFlag on the roof of your vehicle is not.
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That law clearly conflicts with the 1st Amendment. The State cannot adopt the position that it interferes with reading the place since they place such decals.
Dammit man! Stand up for your rights!
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What is “ironic” about obeying the law even though you think the government who passed it is overstepping its bounds? Working legally within the system to change things seems pretty honorable to me.
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So what?
That is from the Revolutionary War.
Are you now going to start trying to shame those of us who support the Colonies in our war for independence.
And by the way, that phrase does definitely mean different things to different people. Two of the most liberal democrats I know have that license plate.
Well, not that exact plate – neither of them is named Sample…
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July 17, 1775:
Chief Justice John Marshall was a member of the original Culpeper Minutemen.
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I think I first “saw” this with respect to the militia groups that have come about… NOt sure I ever saw it ..say with the hippies and similar 60’s anti-govt folk.
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It is the official flag of Culpeper County, Virginia, and has been for a very long time. It is also incorporated into the Seal of the Town of Culpeper.
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Be that as it may, it can be a somewhat hostile perspective for governance, IMO. I just
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Good for you.
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different strokes for different folks… I just don’t see govt as an enemy to be “warned”… even though I know it’s got some issues and need to change… we do it through elections and similar processes.
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PS – It is not a “hostile perspective for governance” to want the federal government to remain as small as possible, and to stay out of state, local, and individual affairs.
Plus, how do you know the message is not primarily for our country’s enemies?
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The long rifles and the impetuous dash of the Culpeper Minutemen won the day at the Battle of Great Bridge. Virginia’s “shot heard round the world”.
“shame”? nope. but agree, the phrase means different things to different folks sometimes though i don’t really connect it to most Dems I know…I don’t think I have a single friend who has one…. and the folks I know who have one… eh… not shocked…
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“shame”? nope.
Then why did you post it on a thread about the confederate battle flag?
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because I often see the two displayed … by similar folks?
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And then there is this, which is an American Flag still in use today on the oldest active ship in the United States Navy:
It is the First Navy Jack. While the blue and white ‘Jack of the United States’ (basically the blue field from the American flag) has been in use by the Navy most of the time since 1777, during the bicentennial and again from 2002 to 2019 the First Navy Jack was used fleet-wide –
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Sorry. One more post.
USS Kitty Hawk in the Pacific Ocean flying the First Navy Jack on Nov. 15, 2005:
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And the message is to foreign adversaries , right?
not about sailors telling the govt they donj’t trust it or some such.
Clearly a message to would-be bad guys against American interests.
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Yes. The same meaning it has when it’s flying from a flagpole in front of my house.
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Do you think that was it’s meaning when it flew from the State House in South Carolina?
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I would much rather display a Don’t Tread on Me then anything associated with the Democrat party.
Harry Byrd was a revered leader of the segregationist Democrats in Virginia. His statue was on display in the Capital Square until 2021.
Workers removed a statue of Harry F. Byrd Sr., a former Virginia governor, U.S. senator and staunch segregationist, from the state’s Capitol Square on Wednesday morning.
Byrd, a Democrat, ran the state’s most powerful political machine for decades until his death in 1966 and was considered the architect of the state’s racist “massive resistance” policy to public school integration.
https://apnews.com/article/virginia-government-and-politics-b1a2b7cdebb4e7f4a6f6601786c80953
saw both in Cville.. no?
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Don’t tread on them…!!
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Which ones are FBI agents?
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Wow. Lot of FBI agents there…
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Probably at least a few.
My first office for the Roanoke Times was across the street from the Jackson House in Lexington. When I worked at the Realtor Association offices, I could walk to the marker at the place where Stuart was shot. Another downtown Richmond office was near the Lee House. The history is all around us. CSA Virginia troops also carried their version of the current state flag — so ban that too, right?
A pox on both your houses, Dick, Larry and the Cancel Crowd and likewise the Unreconstructed. None of this really matters and distraction is the point of harping on it.
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I wish you were right. The problem is that it matters to a lot of people. Othewise, we would not be seeing Confederate flags on motorcycles and on 20-ft poles beside the highway.
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prolly way more than 20 ft though: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/efb2d542ace66f2435854b737c9fcf4c3066fbb4082739fb7c3718717119d030.jpg
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yep, terrible… had to take it down from Statehouses, courthouses, and other govt places… cancel culture travesty at it’s worst!
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Probably won’t see it on a single commercial product or service, though…
I see all the American flags waving in Lexington but what the Democrat Socialists really want to wave is… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77b588f96f29d4e3eb9649a55693eb96e970d1e97bca7b97c8aed2d1459be922.png
Why did you post this?
It was the aftermath of the US Civil War that tarnished the Confederate flag.
Rich men from in and around Richmond took over the state, wrote the horrid 1902 Virginia Constitution, implemented Jim Crow laws and ran millions of long-time Black Virginians out of the Commonwealth.
They did this all under the banner of The Lost Cause, Southern Pride, Confederate statues and The Stars and Bars.
The four years of the Civil War were bad for Virginia. The next 100 were tragic.
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It was the Jim Crow years that told the tale on how we dealt with black folks after slavery.
Not well and still feeling it!
The LGBTQIA flag is more terrifying than the Southern Cross
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