Poll: School Accountability System Supported

By Derrick A. Max

While Democrats in the Virginia General Assembly appear unanimous in their opposition to the Governor’s new School Performance and Support Framework, there is near unanimous support among registered voters for enhanced educational standards that measure both growth and accountability by student subgroups according to a new poll. 

In a survey conducted on behalf of the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy by Mason-Dixon Polling & Strategy between December 17 and 20, 625 registered voters were asked:  

QUESTION: Virginia has approved a new framework for school accountability that utilizes comprehensive data, including academic proficiency and academic growth measures by student subgroups. This data would be made easily available and understandable, so parents know how well their child and local school are performing. Do you support or oppose this new framework?

The poll shows that 86 percent of registered voters in Virginia support a new accountability framework – with almost no variation in support by race, age, gender, region, or even political party. This data should be a wake-up call to Democrats in the General Assembly.

As the Thomas Jefferson Institute recently testified before the state Board of Education, more data is always better than less data. This non-controversial fact seems to be well understood by voters, but less understood by elected progressives in Virginia who appear worried that greater data and accountability will expose failures long hidden by Virginia’s current accountability measures.

The truth is that our current accountability system fails to distinguish school performance and actually groups almost all of Virginia’s public schools (88 percent) as high performing and accredited. A school accountability system that fails to provide any real variation in performance is the same as having no performance measure at all. 

There is a little known “honesty gap” in Virginia’s school performance which refers to the discrepancy between how well our students perform on state standardized tests versus their actual proficiency levels as measured by national assessments like the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP). This gap reveals a concerning disconnect between the picture painted by state-level data and the reality of student achievement.   As a result, a higher percentage of students were deemed “proficient” on state tests than on the national assessments.

This leads to almost all parents falsely believing that their child is at or above grade levels in reading and math – when in reality, according to NAEP scores, only 32 percent of fourth graders and 31 percent of eight graders in Virginia are proficient in reading and 38 and 31 percent, respectively, are proficient in math. 

Former Secretary of Education under President Barack Obama said it best in support of stronger accountability measures: “Lying to parents about how their children are doing academically is definitely the easier path, but it is always the wrong path.” 

Interestingly, the main argument against Virginia’s new accountability measures (which just yesterday received federal approval from the U.S. Department of Education) is not so much about what they measure, or how the new system will be implemented, but rather that the results of the new framework will undermine the public schools and lead parents to seek alternatives. 

Lauren Grob, a self-described “liberal who works in education policy” praised Governor Youngkin’s new accountability framework in the Richmond Times Dispatch, noting that “higher standards can drive performance” and “will put Virginia in compliance with federal mandates.” Her objection, however, was based on a concern that the new accountability measures would reveal significant performance deficiencies that would undermine the current system and lead to support for “private school vouchers and charter schools.”  

Virginia’s parents deserve to know the truth about the performance of their children’s schools and should be trusted with what the new measures reveal.  Without good data, we will continue to fail our students – especially our most vulnerable students who are all too frequently trapped in poor performing schools.  

First published by the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy. 


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9 responses to “Poll: School Accountability System Supported”

  1. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    I knew Derrick was going to do a second column on the third Mason-Dixon question, so in my column yesterday I didn't link to the full poll report. He does above, for those of you who want to scramble to find a way to discredit it…

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I support the new measures. That said, you misconstrue the arguments against them. First of all, you call the opinion of one person "the main argument against Virginiaโ€™s new accountability measures." I have not seen where any others have raised the concern that she does. Furthermore, you misconstrue her arguments. She does not say that she is afraid that "results of the new framework will undermine the public schools and lead parents to seek alternatives," as you framed her remarks. Instead, as she plainly wrote, she voiced general support for the new system but noted her concern that there is an ulterior motive behind the development of the system. She worries that Governor Youngkin intends to use those results to "to foster distrust in the public school system. This tactic serves his campaign goal of establishing private school vouchers and charter schools in Virginia."

    If you are going to use someone's argument, you should use it fairly. You would have been better off stopping with Obama's quote.

  3. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Terry McAuliffe learned the hard way that siding with teachers' unions and school boards against parents was a losing formula. Will Abigail Spanberger heed the warning?

    This, and VACA, should be the two key issues in the upcoming governor's race.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Yes, THANK YOU for linking the POLL!

    I too SUPPORT reforming the Accountability and it's clear the the Dems are being influenced by the School Systems themselves vice just the VEA. The school systems themselves oppose it.

    But the Poll question is such a generic question that it's no surprise who likes Mom and Apple Pie and such.

    " QUESTION: Virginia has approved a new framework for school accountability that utilizes comprehensive data, including academic proficiency and academic growth measures by student subgroups. This data would be made easily available and understandable, so parents know how well their child and local school are performing. Do you support or oppose this new framework? "

    If a question like " Do you support the CURRENT School Accountability that Virginia does"?

    how would that question been answered?

    My point is that most people don't know, the old or the newly proposed.

    So the poll is largely meaningless in my view and I guess I question the
    motive of taking a poll with a question worded that way in the first place
    since it's really not definitive at all.

    A much better POLL would be to show the current method and then the proposed and ask which people supported.

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    The question with both the new and old accountability system is how growth vs actual pass rate will be used. In the old system, growth, any growth, one point or 20 points counted as a pass. This is absurd. The new system accounts for proficiency. I say, just use the "&$@# pass rate and leave out any fluff. I dislike fluff of any kind as it leads to spin and spin leads to false-like not truth-like reporting.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    More dog chasing the tail. Oh boy. Meanwhile for most Virginia students it's the best day ever. It snowed and there is no school.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    โ€Virginia has approved a new framework for school accountability that utilizes comprehensive data, including academic proficiency and academic growth measures by student subgroups. This data would be made easily available and understandable, so parents know how well their child and local school are performing. Do you support or oppose this new framework? "โ€

    Hmmm, data? Comprehensive data? Data implies data gathering. How is this data to be gathered? Is it passive or active? Active is testing, which means students spend less time in lecture and in learning and more time marking boxes. Passive is observation of the learning processes and/or extraction of information from currently gathered data. Passive could also mean additional effort by the teachers โ€” gonna pay โ€˜em more?

    All I see is administrative efforts and yโ€™all already complain about the admin-to-teacher ratio, and more drag on the students who will just be taught how to pass yet another test.

  8. Lauren Grob Avatar
    Lauren Grob

    Hi, everyone! Iโ€™m excited that my first Op-Ed has garnered so much discourse. I thought I would jump in to attach my response to Todd Truittโ€™s email. I think it should clarify my argument, which I agree has some shortcomings. However, I think I did the best I could to explain this issue to an average citizen in 800 words. Hereโ€™s my response:

    โ€œโ€ฆMy argument is not whether or not the new system is good, bad, or somewhere in between. I said in my piece that I think the new system is an improvement. My argument is that Youngkin and his supporters benefit from harsher standards, and Virginians should be aware of the linkage between raising standards and justifications for charter schools and vouchers. In other words, Iโ€™m skeptical about how the new systemโ€™s data will be used and believe any arguments made in favor of public school alternatives that cite this new data are inherently flawed.

    Iโ€™m aware that no changes are being made to our federal accountability. What will change, however, is what a parent sees when they go online to check their childโ€™s schoolโ€™s performance. An ordinary Virginian who sees โ€œoff-trackโ€ will be easy to turn in favor of public school alternatives. I believe Youngkin and his supporters are aware of this and will take advantage of the new, harsher standards to instill distrust in public schools. I simply wanted to make readers aware of this rhetoric and why citing the number of school labeled as โ€œoff-trackโ€ as a reason to replace public schools is a logically flawed argument.

    As for the ELLs, I believe Youngkin is well aware that schools with high immigrant populations will take the biggest dip. Whether or not the new system benefits ELLs (and I agree with you that it does overall), I do not believe Youngkin supported this change because he has their best interests at heart. He knows he needs immigrant families to turn in favor of charters and that tanking the ratings of schools with high immigrant populations will help him achieve that political goal. I think Virginians in districts with many immigrants should expect to be hammered with anti-public-schools rhetoric in the coming year and simply wanted to get ahead of those argumentsโ€ฆโ€

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