As noted in a post near the end of the “Potts Elevates the Tone…” thread below, we agree with “Abitmorered” that there is some very good “stuff” in that thread. There is also some opinion and wishful thinking parading as fact as well as some bad assumptions masquerading as “research.”
Here are some items to keep in mind:
JOB MOVEMENT There is absolutely no evidence that a significant share of a New Urban Regionโs key employment base “will continue moving towards where people live” so that there will at some point be meaningful jobs near scattered urban housing.
Thousands of individuals, agencies and enterprises lost Billions of dollars (yes, Billions with a big “B”) betting on an extrapolation of that idea in the 70s (REIT Bust) and in the 90s (Savings&Loan Bust). There have been a lot more losers scattered over the past 40 years. Sadly this myth has hit hardest those wanting to build great places to live, work and play (aka, Planned New Communities) in places they could buy cheap land.
Yes, some retail and service jobs move out but only when there was a critical mass of demand as Joel Garreau documented in Edge City.
Yes, once when there was a critical mass in some “Edge Cities” that are in the right location, then substantial numbers of jobs moved but this was an expansion of the regional core from R=2 Miles out to R=7 to R=11 Miles at the most. It is not R=25 Miles or R=30 Miles. A= PiR2
Yes, core regional employment will outsource to some other region or to some other continent if there are significant savings. You do not see many core Creative Class operations moving from K Street, Wall Street or Market Street to Bangalore. (See note on rent below.)
Those who did move to the fringe (the percentage of the regionโs total is very small) beyond R=20 were folks like Steve Case (AOL) and UUNet’s promoter (Sedgemore sp?) because they thought they could make money as speculative office developers since they controlled a lot of office demand generated by their staff. They took advantage of overzoning, fire sales of land following a downturn and municipal/state subsidies direct and indirect.
Steve proved himself not to be the sharpest knife in the drawer on a number of topics, land speculation was one of them. Neither were those who bought UUNet and sunk MCI/World Com. Some say AOL cratered because it could not attract enough Creative Class people to fill key jobs all the way out at the Wal*Mart in the Weeds” site.
S/PIโs work with high tech employers suggests this will not change soon. Prince Williamโs and Loudounโs percentage growth is high because they had so little to start with. You can still buy thousands of acres at fire sale prices in both counties if you want to build non-residential (aka, employment) land uses. (Again check the rental rates as noted below.)
We will address this issue in more depth in a planned column on current epidemic of myths about job location. In the meantime take out a compass and a calculator and see what you make of Mondayโs (9 May The Washington Post Business Section.) survey of new office locations built since 2002. Note the rental rates for the “Wal*Mart in the Weeds” sites.
THE U SHAPED CURVE Vienna (Wien) Austria and the U shaped curve brings back great memories. I do not know if it was our idea or their idea but I recall discussing the U shaped curve with the senior transport staff in Wien in the mid 80s. We were scouring Western Europe for ideas to implement in the Virginia Center project at Vienna/Fairfax METRO. I am very clear on the fact that in the following 15 years we worked with graduate students and citizen education programs to develop the theory and expand the U Shape Curve to apply to the 40 +/- location variable services that make urban life possible. This became the second of the Five Natural Law of Human Settlement Patterns.
A real understanding of the U Shape curve would eliminate most of the blabbering about private vehicles vs. shared vehicles (aka, roadways vs. railways) in this thread and elsewhere.
There is a U Shaped Curve for each transport mode and it shifts on the x axis and y axis depending on a number of factors. The sweet spot for roadways is between 10 and 15 persons per acre at the Alpha Community scale. For a high capacity spared-vehicle systems the sweet spot is between 100 and 200 persons per acre in the Alpha Village scaled station area. With overlapping station-areas (i.e. Manhattan, Central London and the core of Paris) the density can be higher. These sites can be very expensive to build but there is demand in all these locations.
The most valued and the most functional settlement patterns in urban agglomerations of over 20,000 are higher in intensity than can be served by private vehicles. Sorry, there will never be functional urban agglomerations of over 100,000 without shared vehicle systems. That is not policy, that is physics.
(Some shared vehicle systems like jitneys, omnibuses, school buses, etc., are needed for every agglomeration to provide mobility for those who can not walk including the very young and the old.)
THE 20% MYTH The idea that savings in vehicle travel demand created by functional settlement pattern are in the 20% range is off by at least one decimal point; Perhaps half-way to two decimal points. It is 2 times at the very least and more likely 10 times. Jim Bacon is right, there are no Balanced Communities to test. Fundamental Change turns out to be hard to imagine, especially for those who have preconceived notions of that something else will make them more money in the short run.
Those who think putting three rickety tables on the side walk in front of Starbucks with a view of the McDonalds drive-thru is “pedestrian oriented” or that a Fresh Fields grocery store on the ground floor of an apartment building is “mixed use” or that a new urbanist project of cluster-scale or neighborhood-scale in the wrong location is a good idea have a hard time grasping the reality of what a community of 150,000 with a balance of jobs/housing/services/recreation/amenity might be like. It has nothing to do with what has been modeled in Oregon (LUTRAC) or anywhere else.
THE DAILY GRIND Almost no one would really like to ride shared-vehicle system to work every day if it functioned like METRO. (See our backgrounder “Time to Fundamentally Rethink METRO …”) That is what Balanced Station Area Villages are all about. Also see the two key shared vehicle understandings in our current column “Antidotes.”
For the person who expressed his preference not to ride METRO and who looked forward to leaving “NOVA.” If the can convince Dick to move your office from Mass Ave I believe I can arrange a site, the capital and a streamlined process to get your office relocated to a place that has the potential to become a Balanced, Disaggregated Community. It could be a world class example of how to do it right.
Sorry, you will still be in the northern part of Virginia. (See our column “Where is Northern Virginia.”) and even your move would not be enough to ensure the evolution of even one Balanced, Disaggregated Community. It would be a great start.
The scale of the problem ahead is why citizen education is the first step to Fundamental Change.
EMR