More on Vetoes
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Seems like Youngkin wants to play his silly little games instead of actually pursuing constructive governance. Doesn’t appear that it took very long for his power to override the voters elected representatives to go to his head. No matter how hard he tries he will not outshine DeSantis.
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To Youngkin maybe silly little games is pursuing constructive governance.
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Great job parsing the facts.
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As I have come to expect, Dick does his homework and it’s much appreciated and a refreshing diversion from the culture war fare.
I too think Youngkin is laying down a partisan marker. He may well be counting on turning the Va Senate but it’s not a good way to govern even if he had solid majorities which he does not have and likely will not have.
Clearly , he has more he plans to do and some or much of it will not be to the liking of Dems.
To which I would agree with those that say ” elections have consequences”.
Stoking the culture wars “works” and bringing the schools into it brought over the independent votes to Conservatives.
We’ll see if they can keep them after changes are made to the schools.
If that’s what the voters want – it’s the way our system works and I support it even if I end up a minority!
Elections are about ideas about the way forward.
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“I seem to remember Governor Wilder announcing that, if two or more identical bills were sent to him, he would sign only one of them. That helped reduce some of the workload.”
Correct me if I’m wrong, Dick, but the Governor has 4 options for any bill that makes it to him: sign, veto, amend, or do nothing. If he does nothing, the bill becomes law without his signature.
A veto is an extra step generally taken because the governor disagrees with the policy and it cannot be fixed through amendments–not because the bill is redundant.
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You are right about the four options. However, those are the options when a bill is first sent to him. If he sends it back with recommended amendments and those amendments are rejected by either house, he cannot amend it when it is sent back. Only the three options remain: sign, veto, or do nothing and let the bill become law.
A governor can veto a bill for any number of reasons. As I stated, I think vetoing duplicate bills would be a legitimate reasons if the governor applied this policy across the board and not selectively. Sometimes a governor may disagree with the policy set out in a bill and try to change the effect of the bill with recommended amendments. If the amendments are not accepted, he can say, in effect, “I tried to fix this bill and you (the GA) had your chance”, and then veto it.
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Youngkin wanted to punish the other team. So he did. 26 times. Terry McAuliffe punished his opponents by veto a record setting 96 times. No commotion.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/mcauliffe-poised-to-set-the-record-most-vetoes-by-a-virginia-governor/2017/03/22/6141e204-0e6b-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html-
That was over the course of McAuliffe’s four terms. In his first year, McAuliffe vetoed 10 bills. Two of those were duplicates (he vetoed the House bill and the duplicate Senate bill). In effect, he cast nine vetoes his first year. Furthermore, 5 of those 9 vetoes were cast after he had recommended amendments, which were rejected. Only 4 bills were vetoed outright, compared to Youngkin’s 26 vetoes. Finally, McAuliffe raised constitutional objections to two of his vetoed bills. Youngkin did not raise such objections in any of his veto explanations.
Youngkin is well on his way to breaking McAuliffe’s record.
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Okay so Youngkin put holes in his paddle to lessen the resistance from air and increase the sting. At least he didn’t make those who were punished sign the paddle like the way Mr. Addington did at Marstellar Jr. High. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aee1e2e438665770140e855e1b13e0b8143f4d132136a8fe71054deaac475c40.jpg
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