The Dangers of Japan’s “New Fru”
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Conservatives know the world is not ending. They are running around like Chicken Little screaming "The sky is falling." so they can take credit when it doesn't.
It is a lousy strategy, but they haven't got anything better to offer.
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"Barefoot professor in Virginia preaches shoelessness"
This will come in handy if Bacon is correct about Boomergeddon.
I wonder how long before Cucinelli goes after him for bad science?
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I would be very, very careful about trying to draw parallels between early 1990s Japan and the US today. In fact, let me be more clear, the parallels are imaginary.
First, Japan's housing bubble. It dwarfed the US housing bubble. In 1991 the sum total of all real estate in Japan was valued at $18 trillion. That was 4X the sum total of the value of US real estate at that time. In 1989, it was an oft quoted statistic that the land under the Imperial Palace in Tokyo was valued at more than the total real estate value of the state of California. It is interesting to note Peter's interest in Ginza. In 1989, the most expensive real estate in Ginza was selling at $139,000 per square foot.
Second, the Japanese stock market crashed right along with the real estate market. In 1990 the Nikkei index peaked at around 40,000. By 1993 it was 15,000. During the dot com bubble that raised the NASDAQ to 5,000+ the Nikkei went to about 20,000. It fell again but recovered to 18,000 by late 2007. It then hit a low of 7,054 and trades at 9,500 today. In other words, the Nikkei has lost 75% of its 1990 value. In a frantic effort to maintain some level of personal liquidity Japanese investors have sold both real estate and stocks with losses in one catalyzing losses in the other.
Third, the Japanese banks, heavily prodded by the Japanese government, determined that many financially broken companies were "too big to fail". The banks poured money into these companies and then received bank bailouts from the government. Widely known as "zombie companies" these companies helped suck the lifeblood out of Japan's economy throughout the 1990s. Sound familiar? Japan's economy only started to improve when the government stopped bailing out the banks and the banks stopped bailing out the zombies.
Finally, public debt. Japan's public debt as a percentage of GDP is 189.3% (2009 est). Only Zimbabwe has a worse ratio. The US has a 52.9% ratio (2009 est).
The only thing we should learn from the post 1990 Japanese economy is that an interventionist government only makes things worse. The bailouts for zombies, the excessive debt, the fairy tale balance sheets … holy smokes.
I guess it's good to know that Japan has its own version of Paul Krugman. A fiscal raconteur who revels in failed government interventions by claiming that "things would have been worse". When it comes to Japan, one must ask, "How much worse could it be?".
Peter, in the future I'd appreciate it if you started fairy tales with "Once upon a time" and ended with "…they lived happier ever after".
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I hear Sarah Palin recently said, "Please don't tell Obama what number comes after a trillion.".
Say what you want about her … that was pretty funny.
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Who is her speechwriter?
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Groveton,
Thanks for your input. Nice to hear from a True Believer.
So, I guess you say we should just tighten our belts and hope for the best.
Peter Galuszka -
She's funny and I can't but help to like her wit … and she's way, way more a Maverick than Mr. you know who.
Ya'll mind find this national map of the houses that are underwater… in 2000 and now:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/underwater-homes-then-vs-now/
Anyone think this bodes ill for the future?
The Obama thing is just plain dumb.
The man has not raised taxes and the TARP is going to break even.
The only thing his administration has done is the stimulus – and it was not the first.. George Bush had the first:
Economic Stimulus Act of 2008
" As 2008 began, economic indicators suggested an increased risk of recession. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke testified before Congress that quick action was needed to stimulate the economy through targeted government spending and tax incentives.[10] Congress moved rapidly to pass such legislation. In passing the legislation, lawmakers aimed to stimulate spending by businesses and consumers during 2008. They hoped that the targeted individual tax rebates would boost consumer spending and that targeted tax incentives would boost business spending.
Lawmakers raised the limits on conforming mortgages eligible for government insurance and GSE purchase in response to the subprime mortgage crisis. This crisis had resulted in a widespread credit crunch by late 2007. The credit crunch led to a reluctance by lenders to issue so-called jumbo mortgages for the purchase of houses that exceeded the FHA and GSE limits. The United States housing bubble had pushed house prices above those limits in many areas of the country. As interest rates rose for jumbo mortgages, fewer buyers could afford them, and house prices were being forced down toward the limits for conforming mortgages. By raising those limits, lawmakers hoped to slow or halt the decline in house prices, which threatened the financial well-being of homeowners, banks and other financial entities holding jumbo mortgages."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008
Remember – this was almost a year before Obama took office.
also that same year:
2008 Chinese economic stimulus plan
2008 European Union stimulus planThen in 2009 ….
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, a US stimulus package passed at the beginning of Barack Obama's administration.
In February….
so Obama did what Bush did and the Chinese and Europeans did…
Does anyone think that Obama thought this up by himself in January 2009 and had Congress pass it in February 2009?
Obama did not do anything different than what Bush had done in 2008 nor the rest of the world –
Stimulus was done by:
Germany
France
Spain
Italy
China
Netherlands
United Kingdomand yes.. if you listen to some – the stimulus is all Obama and nothing else…
In fact, the truth:
" 2008–2009 Keynesian resurgence"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Keynesian_resurgence
yet the wingnut blather continues unabated .. that stimulus is all Obama and his big mistake…
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Dealing with Deficits.
take a look at this chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Federal_spendings.png
and tell me where you'd cut govt.
Remember – SS and Medicare are funded from FICA not general revenues and are not in deficit yet.
so for the deficit that we do have right now – what would you cut?
here's your chart showing how much the major categories spend:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US2009FederalExpenditures.png
so you have to find .. what? a trillion dollars to cut?
how about a cut list that totals one trillion?
list them here (remember again SS and Medicare are funded separately from FICA and not in deficit).
so list your agencies that you'd cut along with the amount.
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tell me where you'd cut govt.
June 6th, 1944. O dark thirty. You jump through the doorway into the blackness beyond. A strong tug, and the reassuring grasp of your chute's loving arms gently swinging you to earth. Suddenly the sky erupts in a thousand points of light resembling fast moving fireflies, accompanied by countless unseen steel jacketed bumblebees ripping past your body. You begin praying that the ground comes soon, but not too soon. God answers when you sense lying face down in a muddy field as the grass around you is shorn so low a goat could starve. You think back to the mission planning meetings and realize the detailed maps you were given are useless in the dark. But now you have to decide.
Where do you cut? Where do you run? What is the safest path past the hands of death? Solutions appear and quickly evaporate.
Shoulda never left the plane. Shoulda never joined the Army. Shoulda never left the farm.
Until only one response is left.
Move Forward, because anywhere is better than here.
America is lying in a field surrounded by debt. And according to news reports more debt is on the way. While the generals of finance sip their martinis far removed from the carnage, bodies are stacking up in the darkness as individuals scramble to make sense of a new reality. The Tea Party had the rally point map. But look what happened when they turned on a light.
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It's hilarious when they ask the Republicans and Tea Pots what they'd cut to fix the deficit – and they all say "entitlements".
There are some entitlements funded from the income tax but the two biggies – SS and Medicare are funded from FICA and currently are not in deficit. They are, however, a PROJECTED DEFICIT.
The CURRENT DEFICIT is the Military, HomeLand Security and about a dozen other cabinet level entities – none of which have a budget higher than 100 billion.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/US2009FederalExpenditures.png
Most economists do not think we can find a trillion dollars in the current allocations to cut without draconian cuts on the Military (500 billion) and the "Global War on Terror" (150 billion).
The Joint Warfare Command would be an example of the kinds of cuts that would be necessary.
So far – not a single TeaPot or Republican has said what they would cut – and yet people seem ready to have them cut – not general govt or the military – nope – ss and Medicare.
I'm scratching my head over this.
I've read and read and read and as far as I can tell – cutting
those programs won't affect the current budget deficit at all unless they want to divert FICA taxes to general govt instead of SS and Medicare.I'm starting to think the average person does not understand this and judging from the candidates – many of them do not either – or …they are just fine with the voters not knowing S_it from Shinola.
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I can't decide which chant I like better …
"Two more weeks!"
"Two more weeks!"or ….
"Two more years!"
"Two more years!"Every generation has to experiment with liberalism / socialism. My generation elected Jimmy Carter. This generation elected Barack Obama.
The good news is that America is usually indemnified for 30 years from repeating the same mistake.
A shipwreak on the beach is a lighthouse to the sea.
The Obama Administration is a ship wreak.
Two weeks from today the country will see the light.
"Two more weeks!"
"Two more years!" -
Obama did not create any of this mess – and the critics were on him to "fix it" before he had finished his first year.
And folks like Groveton are going to send back to Congress ..the SAME Republicans who had 8 years to do "something" and they did absolutely nothing constructive.
They passed tax cuts that did not create jobs and did not increase govt revenues but did increase the deficit.
They did away with PAYGO and funded two ways off budget – which added to the deficit.
They knew in 2001 that there was a problem with housing and mortgages and what did they do?
They did NOTHING – and then AFTER THE FACT – they said that one lone Congressman stopped a Republican-controlled Congress and Presidency from doing ANYTHING – at the SAME TIME they were passing Tax CUT via reconciliation and Medicare Part D at 2am in the morning after threatening their own members.
The Republicans had 16 years to do SOMETHING about Health Care and they did NOTHING.
The Republicans were a 16-year CLOWN SHOW and now…predictably… the guy who coined the word in this blog see's them as "fixing" things.
ha ha ha ha ha ha
what evidence do you have that the Republicans are capable of fixing anything?
They're basically a bunch of anti-govt screw-offs…who have less than Carter to claim as accomplishments in their 16 years of taking blather to a new high.
but you gotta like the frying-pan into the fire zealots… they are committed…
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Darrell and Groveton are dramatic but not very accurate.
In the end we will have to cut spending and raise taxes.
We will have more representation from the Republican party after the election. Which of them will lead the charge to cut spending AND raise taxes?
I thought so.
Bacon thinks the biggest danger we face is a debt implosion, so which Republican is going to propose saving us from this and making us safer by cutting the war on terror?
I thought so.
After we elect Republicans we will be no better off.
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"The Republicans had 16 years to do SOMETHING about Health Care and they did NOTHING.".
And the Democrats had 16 months and made it MUCH WORSE.
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Groveton,
The Dems have made health care much worse?Give me a break! Ever been turned down for a "pre-existing condition?" That goes away under ObamaCare.
Peter Galuszka
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Peter:
Maybe you can tell me how the 90,000 non-union employees of Boeing will be better off. Do you think there are 90,000 corporate "fat cats" employed at Boeing? Or, are these just good, hard working people? Also, why only the non-union employees? Does that seem right to you?
Obama wasn't fixing health care, he was buying votes. He even got that mostly wrong – as we'll see in two weeks.
If the Republicans take a majority in Congress the very forst thing they should do is amend Obamacare to include serious tort reform. Let Obama veto that. Let him publicly say that ambulence chasers like John Edwards need protection while he says the 90,000 employees at Boeing he screwed are fat cats.
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How is it worse? I have the same doctor, same rescue squad, same hospital, same health insurance, only now they can't kick me out (again). That's a benefit I'm willing to pay a little more for.
Especially since my costs would have gone up ANYWAY.
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I'm in favor of tort reform, but it wont make much difference in health cost.
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Some cheat might Sue their doctor over trivia and talk the jury into herrings paid too much.
That doesn't concern me as much as getting paid NOTHING for a legitimate claim, without recourse to a jury.
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The insurirs brought this on themselves. If it were not Obama it would have been someone else.
And, the insurors will be the big winners.
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Tort Reform – what a joke.
Where were the Republicans the last 16 years with tort reform and a Republican President the last 8 who would not have vetoed it?
This is comical.
The Republicans had EVERY OPPORTUNITY to do SOMETHING about HC and they did NOTHING other than a taxpayer-subsidized give-away to big Pharma.
This is what I keep asking.
Why did't the Republicans do health care and deficit reduction in the prior 8 years?
These guys are screw-ups… and those who believe in them… have very short memories of what they accomplished just a few years ago.
Did they increase jobs? No.
Did they bring in more tax revenue from tax cuts? No.
Did they responsibly make arrangements to pay for two wars? No.
Did they do something about immigration? No.
Did they reduce the deficit?
no.Did they cut govt spending? No.
Did they "do something" about the entitlement problem? No.
and …Groveton can't wait to get them back in?
yes.
so the only thing I can figure out is he'd rather have nothing done than something done.
I might be on to something here, eh?
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If health care is so unpopular with the American people, how was Obama buying votes?
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Larry, you're really annoying me now with your attacks on Republicans for doing nothing for eight years. Enough of your revisionist history!
You forget who ran Congress between 2006 and 2008 — Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. You also forget how narrow the Republican control over Congress was before then. As I recall, the GOP had a 51-vote majority in the Senate, a far cry from the 60-vote majority that the Dems have today. The Dems had far more power to obstruct then than the GOP does today.
The GOP also had a president, George W. Bush, who was willing to give away almost anything to the Democrats on the domestic front to get support for his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Not that I'm a big fan of what the Republicans did. Their accomplishments include expansion of agricultural subsidies, expansion of SCHIP, expansion of Medicare entitlements and prosecuting two foreign wars off-budget — all budget busters. But, dude, the Dems were with them every step of the way. Their only criticism: He was too tight fisted and not spending enough on domestic programs.
Your partisan, one-sided view of history is wearing thin.
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Hey – were they not a majority during the latter part of Clinton's Presidency also?
Doesn't that add up to a bunch of years ?
How many Senate votes during that time period had to be "filibuster proof"?
the truth hurts, Bacon.
Are you telling me that during that decade plus rule when they slammed through tax cuts, killed paygo and pushed through Medicare Part D in the wee hours of the morning that Democrat "obstructionism" somehow did not stop them?
A Decade to enact one stinking bill for "tort reform" and they did nothing?
and now .. that's the ONLY thing we hear that they would do have Health Care?
ha ha ha ha ha
Hey – this is not partisan…
it's the simple truth.
You guys want to blame Bush.. and you want to say the Dems are blaming Bush and to get over Bush.
It was NEVER about Bush – it's about the Republicans who took a surplus and within months turned it into a deficit….
an never looked back ….
Mr. Cheney said it "deficits don't matter"… and how many Republicans stood up and said "you lie" to Mr. Cheney?
ZERO!
Annoying?
Annoying is the people who support these screw-ups…
besides.. you disowned them..right?
I mean you said yourself that these guys are screw-ups…and that we need a 3rd party.
hey!
you'll NEVER be as ANNOYED as I am.
Enjoy!
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Ok, so the Republican legislature did nothing for six years, not eight. And they gave away the domestic store in favor of a foreign war.
What has that got to do with their agenda of eliminating any semblance of a working social safety net for the purpose of weakening the working class and making them more subservient to the ruling class / hiring class?
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The Republican plan is to gain power and then abdicate it.
Ostensibly the power will go to the people, but what power has a person beholden to the bank and without a job, health insurance, or a pension?
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We need more AG subsidies, not less. We cannot expect farmers to do all we ask of them for the money they get paid.


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