
Peeling Back Another Layer of the Grid Modernization Debate
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Well all I can say to that, Jim, is ……well, DUH! Yes! They are doing this entirely to reduce shareholder risk and stabilize or enhance shareholder profits. They actually use both debt and equity to finance their capital projects and collect interest on the debt but they only collect a profit margin on the equity. So you are wrong that they will go only for debt.
I suspect under the old regulatory scheme, under the existing non-regulatory scheme, and going forward under this new rip off scheme the company’s credit rating will be excellent as always. But if indeed this scheme ends their need to provide refunds and pushes their actual profit up toward 13-15 percent ROE, thereby reduces their risk and lowers their interest or equity costs – that increases their profit! And given the base rates will never go down they will keep that increased profit! And given any risk of having to share that profit can be eliminated by taking on more debt or equity, the cycle will never end.
http://sg001-harmony.sliq.net/00304/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2?fk=1179&viewMode=2
Great discussion of the “transformational” regulatory model in todays’ House Commerce and Labor meeting. In particular I recommend the comments of Kim Pate from the SCC staff starting at 4:25 p.m. but Sam Towell from the AG’s office a few minutes earlier was also good.
“While rate payers get their money back on the back end via an offsetting reduction in rate riders, Dominion gets to generate income off that money in the meantime.” Ratepayers get nothing back. Nothing. The utility finances everything either through the rate base or RACS. There will be RACS, probably for every single dime that is not needed to wipe out potential customer refunds.
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The WAY that Dominion has CHOSEN to go about this is the problem in my view.
It was and is less than up-front ..and the claims about the necessity of Rube Goldberg .. are not believable..
What was broke that needed to be changed so radically? Was the process of trying to upgrade the grid – “broke” under the old SCC regime?
I think it is incumbent on Dominion to “explain” – to the satisfaction of most of the critics.. How many other utility companies are doing this?
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Bacon,
That you would bring this question to light as you have and invest in being able to explain the rationale is a real public service and part of the great value of this BLOG.
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It’s a complex issue and Dominion has their wants and basically wrote the bill.. and the changes as critics have weighed in on it.
Dominion is continuing to give their side of it .. through their surrogates of which – fairly – we would have to say Jim is one.
What I find valuable and needed in Mr. Haners viewpoint – the “con” side.
Having Dominion write the legislation and drive the bus here.. while typical in Virginia is ..in my view … a serious conflict of interest that essentially transfers some of the SCC role to Dominion itself in that because overcharges are directly pipelined for other grid improvements – that Dominion wants vice refunds and a subsequent proposal from Dominion – there is an incentive here for Dominion to overcharge to improve the grid – the way they want to – with less oversight from the SCC.
Perhaps in the modern era of grid energy – regulators like the SCC are an impediment .. an obstacle to efficient upgrading of the grid.. and I actually could buy into some of that – but I need to hear that – a prima facie argument rather than the current PR dance and it is – look at the TV ads Dominion is paying mucho money for and at the end it says “contact your legislators! Remember – this is a regulated monopoly using quasi govt powers (like eminent domain) to conduct business..
That’s why I asked if other regulated utility monopolies in other states do things like directly donate money to the same folks that are considering legislation and running advocacies ads on TV to contact legislators – and advocating to legislators – removing the SCC from some of it’s regulatory oversight… etc..
Dominion certainty has a vitally important role in literally maintaining the health and welfare of all who depend on electricity -no question about it – and they are a well-run and highly respected company – a leader in the industry…but I think they are overstepping in ways – not good for ratepayers, taxpayers.. and themselves and their investors… if the current SCC regime of regulation has become obsolete.. then lets’ deal with that in a meritorious way. Having the GA “direct” Dominion to build more solar and upgrade the grid – ….. geeze…
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Eleven years ago the prospect of an unregulated monopoly electric company worried the General Assembly to the point that it forced Dominion back into a regulated environment. Legislation in 2013, 2014 and 2015 chipped away at it, and this bill completes the job – Governor Northam will sign a bill that gives Virginia totally unregulated monopoly utilities that are fully integrated, owning their own generation, free to earn and keep excess profits without limit, and fully insulated from any chance of competition (those bills are dying). The SCC will be a Potemkin Village. Jim is right, their credit and Wall Street ratings are going to improve substantially. What’s good for Dominion is good for Virginia.
There will be plenty of time to unpack this in the aftermath. As a soon to be ex-lobbyist, I will be completely free to do so. This is the not the General Assembly I first encountered in 1985. Those ladies and gentlemen would be very reluctant to ignore a chorus of uniform warnings from the SCC, the Consumer Counsel at the AG’s office, and every regulatory lawyer in the room who is not on the utility payroll. When they saw the Chamber of Commerce lining up with the most dedicated environmental advocates they would know for certain that the bumping noise they heard in the dark was not Santa Claus. (It is the ghost of Henry Howell actually…)
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Poor, poor cash starved Dominion can somehow pay $3.34 per share in annual dividends, up 10% ….
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3318686-dominion-energy-increases-dividend-10-percent
Don’t buy their BS Jim.
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Dominion Energy pays the dividends, not Dominion Energy Virginia, its regulated subsidiary. Obviously, DEV is a major contributors to the parent company’s earnings and cash flow, but it’s important to maintain a distinction.
What I have observed in the comments so far is people predisposed to dislike Dominion simply reiterating their distrust and dislike of Dominion — not contesting the facts and arguments that I laid out in the post. Clearly, Dominion’s arguments are self-interested. But please explain to me why they are B.S. If you can’t articulate why they are B.S., it’s hard to take your argument seriously.
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It is important to note that the parent Dominion Resources can take money paid up to it by Dominion Virginia Energy (the utility) and invest in any business it wants, risky (purchasing a South Carolina utility with a bad nuclear generation program) or not (purchasing natural gas assets nationwide) with funds generated year after year by Virginia customers through rates that are set too high. In addition, through this legislation, it will fund additional infrastructure in Virginia, some of which is likely necessary and some of which may not be, without having to access the capital markets at all. The utility’s customers or ratepayers are thus transformed into unwilling and unpaid “investors” in the Company’s capital projects.
Remember that other provisions of the bill deem particular amounts of spending and particular types of generation projects to be “in the public interest” for a period of the next 10 years. Thus, the utility can build solar and wind generation projects whether it needs to or not, and will earn a return on this investment, irrespective of whether the dollars are deposited into base rates or collected through rate riders.
The rate riders themselves guarantee the return, dollar for dollar, of every dollar spent on the identified project whether it be a new gas-fired generation plant, a solar project, an energy efficiency project, or spending necessary to comply with environmental regulations, PLUS PROFIT (the return on equity). The utility has ZERO risk of undercollecting any of these funds, whether hurricanes hit the Commonewealth or whatever else you might think of.
The double-dip occurs because the ratepayer funded capital projects, paid for out of the confiscated “overearnings,” which is another word for customer overpayments of fair rates, will be placed into the company’s “rate base” and collected through base rates over the life of the project as if they had NOT been paid for at all. Usually in regulatory accounting the utility is not permitted to earn a return on capital contributed by customers. It’s not allowed to earn a return because it has made NO investment, it’s customers have. Usually, these are small items such as line extensions or a contractor paying to have service lines put underground in a new housing development. Here, we are talking about billions of dollars of unpaid investments over the next decade, not hundreds or thousands of dollars of contributions.
And, while these “in the public interest” projects remain in base rates, the returns they earn will soak up the earnings that would otherwise be counted toward the theoretical customer refunds that the law otherwise requires to be repaid, in part mind you, not in whole, to customers.
That’s a double dip. Pay me this year through unrefunded overearnings and pay me over the life of the project through future uncounted overearnings. I think the legislators pretty much know how this is going to work.
But, as Upton Sinclair so memorably said “”It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”
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In this case Jim I think I agreed with your basic argument that Dominion was seeking to increase its revenue and margins in order to lower its risk and thereby lower its capital costs. I just don’t believe it is doing so to benefit its customers and I think the customers are taking on the risk instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gix0iHiUck&feature=youtu.be
I do love Kim Pate of the SCC’s explanation of how…
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And when they’re not busy using their cash to jack up the dividend to shareholders they are using the cash to buy back great blocks of their shares …
https://www.cnbc.com/id/19476091
Dominion borrows and charges the ratepayers interest so they can use the free cash flow from ratepayers to enrich the shareholders through huge dividend increases and share buybacks. All done with the complicity of The Imperial Clown Show in Richmond.
Don’t buy their BS Jim. But you might want to buy their stock. After all, the profits are stolen from the citizens of Virginia so you could at least recoup your share of the heist.
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For the record, Dominion closed yesterday at $73.31. Their freshly raised dividend of $3.34 per share per year gives the stock a staggering dividend yield of 4.6%. That’s a mighty fat payout for people holding equity in a monopoly which has purchased the legislature that regulates it.
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By itself, dividend yield is meaningless as far as understanding Dominion’s profitability. Yield must be viewed in the context of cash flow, return on equity, leverage, price-earnings multiples, and a host of other indicators of financial performance and investor confidence.
More to the point, dividends reflect the financial performance and investor evaluation of the parent company, not the regulated utility. Dominion has many assets other than Dominion Virginia Energy.
That said, it would be interesting to take a look at the profitability of Dominion Energy Virginia, and it would be interesting to know how that compares to the financial performance of other regulated utilities.
This would be the starting point of any analysis: http://www.scc.virginia.gov/comm/reports/2017_veurcomb.pdf
Go the bottom of Page 5 and start reading.“DEV’s analysis reflects a combined base rate generation and distribution earned ROE for calendar year 2016 of 12.87% on a regulatory accounting basis. Separately, the 2016 generation and distribution earned ROEs were 15.89% and 9.23%, respectively. The combined generation and distribution earned ROE of 12.87% exceeds the 9.60% ROE approved by the Commission for DEV’s RACs during 201614 by 3.27 percentage points, or approximately $251.9 million in revenues, and exceeds the 10.00% ROE approved by the Commission in DEV’s last biennial reviewl by 2.87%, or approximately $221.1 million in revenues.”
Or, in tabular form:
https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/dominion_earnings.jpg-
Your contention, if I understand it correctly, is that Dominion should keep the overpayment so they don’t have to engage in excessive borrowing which could raise their interest rates which get passed along to ratepayers. The crux of that argument is that Dominion lacks the cash to self finance these projects. My point is that they are pouring cash into share buybacks and dividend payments. These uses of cash reward the shareholders. They also effectively penalize the ratepayers since the money that could be used to self-finance is used instead to buyback shares and payout what I consider to be an excessive dividend.
You started to peel back the onion but you didn’t peel far enough. Dominion is a cash cow. If they decide to borrow instead of self-finance that’s a decision they make regardless of their ability to self-finance. They don’t need to keep the over-payments to avoid borrowing. They could stop raising their dividend by 10% a year. They could reduce their dividend. They could use the cash from the regulated company for capital expenditures instead of dividend payout.
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The part that concerns me is:
8. In any triennial review proceeding, for the purposes of reviewing earnings on the utility’s rates for generation and distribution services, the following utility generation and distribution costs not proposed for recovery under any other subdivision of this subsection, as recorded per books by the utility for financial reporting purposes and accrued against income, shall be attributed to the test periods under review and deemed fully recovered in the period recorded: ……. costs associated with projects necessary to comply with state or federal environmental laws, regulations, or judicial or administrative orders relating to coal combustion by-product management that the utility does not petition to recover through a rate adjustment clause pursuant to subdivision ….
Does this mean coal ash remediation at the expense of ratepayer refunds, ensuring the shareholders don’t pay for it?
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Liberals should be happy…Dominion is committing to intentionally keep profit margins high, which increases our elec bills and makes renewables look more competitive. Plus Dominion is committing to spend a lot of money on solar and grid enhancements.
Of course Dominion really just wants to build anything, because they get paid back from us rate payers including profits. Elected officials like it because it creates jobs and money flow, and is essentially the one industry state gov’t can run by themselves and force to locate in Virginia and create jobs here.
All I can say is, it is better than the old days when coal-fired power plants was the main project utilities and states wanted to push through like this.
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Argh. I neglected to read to the bottom of the Wall Street Journal article that I quoted in the post. Had I done so, I would have encountered this:
Earlier last month, S&P changed its outlook for Dominion Energy Inc., a Virginia-based gas-and-power company, to negative from stable.
The soured outlook means that there is at least a one in three chance that the companyโs current triple B+ rating will be downgraded within the next two years…. A lower credit rating can result in higher interest rates, and therefore higher payments on new or refinanced debt, though broader bond market forces can temper that impact.
A spokesman for Dominion declined to comment.
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Obviously, there are two types of risk for utilities (and every other business, for that matter): Financial Risk and Business Risk. With their high debt levels, utilities have generally had a higher financial risk than companies with less debt. But if Dominion gets to convert consumer refunds to grid investments, it gets some zero cost capital, which, in turn, reduces its financial risk and should lower its cost of capital and allowed rate of return.
I’d say Dominion faces more business risk now than a few years ago. It is facing competition in the generating business; needs to harden its distribution grid; and has a lot of sunk investment in fossil fuels generating plants. This increased business risk should raise its cost of capital. On the other hand, it strikes me that much of its older generating capacity is likely completely or largely depreciated. That reduces its risk and cost of capital some.
I’d like to see a VSCC review (even using a two-year test period) of Dominion’s cost of capital and proper earnings level.
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“But if Dominion gets to convert consumer refunds to grid investments, it gets some zero cost capital, which, in turn, reduces its financial risk and should lower its cost of capital and allowed rate of return.”
I’m assuming that some percentage of the cash Dominion uses to pay dividends comes from cash flow out of the regulated company. Last year Dominion raised its already healthy dividend by 10%. If they would have left it flat couldn’t they have financed more of the regulated company’s capital needs with the regulated company’s cash flow? In that case, couldn’t they have made the refunds to the ratepayers, made the capital investments and kept current debt levels? Why would a company facing financial risks already paying a healthy dividend raise that dividend by 10% in a single year?
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Just want to say ,I am NOT predisposed against Dominion at all.
It is in everyone’s interests that Dominion be – a thriving company.
But they should NOT be driving the regulatory bus instead of the SCC.
If regulations need to be revised to reflect the state of the industry – then do it.
If regulators needs to evolve on the same basis – do it.
But Dominion should not be deciding what the regulatory regime should be.
I had asked earlier – is what Dominon is pursuing in Va – something that is fairly standard throughout the other states or Dominion way out in front?
In no way, shape or form should Dominion be writing legislation and especially legislation that defines what the SCC role is or is not.
If things need to change – fine -make that prima facie case but what this feels like is that Dominion does not want to be regulated anymore and the argument is that the industry “has changed” and the SCC needs to be a rubber stamp type agency.
I’m not buying it.
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Larry, at no time in any discussion has Dominion stated that this “customer credit reinvestment offset” is modeled on any other state’s regulatory scheme. IMHO, as I’ve stated, it is a cover for several more steps toward deregulation – which is the situation in some states. Certainly if the SCC cannot order rate cuts or refunds (due to the many new opportunities for the utility to manipulate its earnings) then setting an official return on equity is an exercise in futility – they still keep it all.
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The process is just wrong. Dominion should not be writing legislation and contributing money to the same folks considering the legislation.
You don’t need to be an enemy of Dominion to see this. You can be a friend of Dominion and see the potential of bad outcomes.
If we as a state – cannot see that – and we’re going to stand by and watch the process work like that – then we need to be ashamed… this is bad. We point fingers at places like Chicago and New Jersey for their conflicted governance but this is the pot calling the kettle black.

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