With the Tents Down, the Blowback Begins
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So, could the White Supremacists do their Tiki-torch thing again without police response?
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Larry – you should be required to get a license to comment because you are always wrong.
There were maybe 300 “white supremacists.” And something like 5,000 “protesters.”
I think there would have been Antifa and agent provocateurs in both groups. For whatever reason the police failed to keep the groups apart. I think on purpose to create a Leftwing Reichstag fire.
But here is a very simple truth – if the mask law was enforced, I think Heather Heyer would be alive. In fact, the anonymity is part of the mob mentality to make violence easier. That’s why Southern states passed the anti-mask laws – to break up the Klan. Which side is using masks? Asking for a friend…-
agent provocateurs , ” Leftwing Reichstag fires” and Antifa to boot!
gadzooks!
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Black is white full-Walter.
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Agitprop is agitprop Larry. The problem for the Marxists is Normies are waking up to it. The lawfare against Trump is a great eye opener for Normies.
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The Congressional GOP and impeachments warfare?
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Congressional GOP makes no sense. Impeachments warfare? By the GOP? Against Mayorkas is obviously deserved and went nowhere (violation of norms by Dems in the Senate, again). Or the Trump impeachments which were totally bogus. J6 was Agitprop. And what has been done to truly ‘mostly peaceful protesting” vs the Summer of Love BuyLargeMansions fraud group is despicable. Also the J6 disorder seemed to start after being gassed and shot at with rubber bullets. Highly suspicious. J^ committee – unlawfully constituted, destroyed evidence, edited tape. You good with that?
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If the cops had been doing their job and prevented a mob including Antifa from blocking the intersection about 2 blocks from police HQ Heather Heyer would be alive. Or, if the city had blocked the side streets that cross the downtown mall with vehicles, as was suggested and volunteered, instead of saw horses and school crossing guards who left their posts because they feared the mob Heather Heyer would be alive.
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Had antifa been deported, the tragedy would not have occurred.
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and if pigs had wings…
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Flying bacon!
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That makes more sense than your comment on deporting citizens.
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You can’t deport a political movement. It’s like saying “had democracy been deported…” Silly argument…
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Antifa is a terrorist organization. Deport well and often. What democracy are you talking about? Greek?
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Antifa is a political movement not an organization. 🙄
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sorta like saying you’re going to wipe out Hamas…..
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There were plenty of cops in Cville that day. Who prevented them from keeping the peace? Who was the Gov back then?
Splendid, Sir.
I’m not sure the mask law would have helped much in Charlottesville in 2017.
I’ve been looking back at news coverage of the klan rally, the tiki-torch march, and the unite the right rally, and not very many people were wearing face coverings of any kind, on either side. Even the klan guys did not wear masks. They wore their stupid pointy hats, of course, but no face coverings.
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This was before Antifa became known. But there were people masked there, and with clothes rods? Why, unless they were looking to rumble?
The main failure was not separating the crowds. But this wouldn’t have happened if they had simply been ignored. The 300 id!ots would have completed their march. The end. And I don’t think the 300 were even white supremacists. I would guess half were there to protest taking down the statue of Lee, and they were right. It won’t end. How much has Richmond improved since breaking the deal (the Ashe statue that was supposed to end this – never trust a deal with Marxists)? or Cville?
So, could the White Supremacists do their Tiki-torch thing again without police response?
Probably, as long as they did the same thing they did last time and did not try to stay on campus in contravention of university policy.
Well, they sacked a four-star general at VMI. Loss of confidence. Is it time to sack Ryan?
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General Peay was (is) a distinguished and honorable gentleman who stood upon principle despite the petty and crass demands of the leftist wokesters. Ryan….a toad. So, yes Sir, it is time to sack Ryan.
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I know these four guys. Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, Darryl Grant, and Dave Butz. 250 plus sacks between them. Perfect for the job.
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Don’t forget Kerrigan:) He’s one of the very few staff holdovers too!
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It took my a half of a second. Get it!
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It was a good list, and covered a lot of years!
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History professors help me cancel gifts to UVA.
Expecting people that support the rape of teen age girls, the beheading of infants, and the burning of adults for the crime of being Jewish to abide by the rules regarding time, place and manner of protests that everyone else is expected to obey is RACIST!!!!!!
Protesters and sympathizers also compared the police action in taking down the tents to police inaction in dealing with the unsanctioned tiki-torch march of White Supremacists on UVA grounds.
If the unsanctioned tiki-torch marchers had tried to set up an encampment on the grounds, I am sure there would have been police action to remove them.
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Nevertheless, some similarities…
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/article/2024/may/06/ucla-protester-mob-attack-
Sure, some similarities. But if the pro-Palestinian protesters had marched across the grounds and then gone away like the tiki-torch marchers did, the police would have had no cause to interfere with them. Instead, they gave the police cause to interfere with them, and the police were happy to oblige.
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Yes, a tent was just a step too far… 🙄
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Yes, a tent was just a step too far…
Perhaps.
Of course, I did not say that, nor did I call the police on them. I pointed out the difference between the two protests/demonstrations.
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I never said you did… 🤷♂️
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Then why the emoji?
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It was directed at the administration’s police actions and not you.
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Thank you. I apologize for misinterpreting your intent.
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Da nada…
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How protests work…
“ The Biden administration paused a shipment of US-made ammunition to Israel, according to a source familiar with the matter, who did not disclose why the decision was made. The hold is not connected to a potential Israeli operation in Rafah and doesn’t affect other shipments moving forward, the source said.
Asked about the paused shipment, a National Security Council spokesperson cited ongoing security assistance to Israel.”
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The order for ammunition included tents and they needed time to gather them up from around the country?
Wonder what the real reason for the hold up is? I would not expect Biden to admit they had finally told Israel no more weapons if you continue to insist on attacking civilians in Rafah. OTOH, there is no expectation that Biden et al would have the balls to actually say no either.
Hopefully we will learn more, and that the Administration is finally coming to its senses and saying no more weapons until you stop using them to commit war crimes. I’m not holding my breath.
Here’s from the State Dept FSO who resigned last week:
“Israel cannot bomb or starve its way to security, and the United States must stop enabling this failed and inhumane strategy. As you read this, over 2 million men, women and children in Gaza are still getting bombarded, suffering from starvation, dehydration and constant displacement, with over 100,000 killed or injured — and our tax money continues to pay for it.
After more than 200 days following Hamas’s terrible Oct. 7 terrorist attacks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s incessant bombing campaign has failed to bring the hostages home or make Israelis safer, prompting protests from within Israel against his hawkish right-wing government.
Enough is enough.” https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4646237-biden-gaza-militaristic-policy-failure/
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When has one side in a war been expected to care for the needs of the enemy’s civilians before the war ends because the enemy won’t do it? FSO Foreign Service Officer’s party affiliation and ethnicity? Lefty, when you have the number of combatants and supporters, and Hamas has done anything to feed its people and released all hostages, then talk about casualties and what Israel should do. Until then, it’s all propaganda.
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Indeed it is.
FSO’s ethnicity – American. In my experience with them they have eschewed party affiliation. She is indicative of large scale resistance to current US policy within the professional ranks of career public servants.
It is about what Israel should not do, keep committing war crimes and crimes against humanity on our dime, well money we’re borrowing that is.
Also from the FSO’s post. It goes to your initial question. :
“The administration needs to wake up, realize that this militaristic strategy is an abhorrent failure and change course immediately, for the sake of Israelis and Palestinians alike. Maintaining a devastating onslaught on a besieged civilian population is not only a violation of international law, but also counterproductive. Instead of eroding Hamas, it is emboldening extremism on all sides and undermining America globally. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/4646237-biden-gaza-militaristic-policy-failure/
Thank you for the opportunity to have a discussion between folks holding very different viewpoints. It is often hard these days to be able to disagree without being disagreeable.
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American is one’s citizenship. Ethnicity is family related. I was really curious about connections to “the squad”.
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Dunno the answer to that. Again, my experience over the years is that FSOs have tended to be politically unaffiliated. Obviously that is not ironclad.
Her post was very clear that our current policy serves no one well. Not Israelis, not Palestinians, and not America. On the face of it that does not seem very squad like.
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Like since Geneva Conventions…
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Ooh…you are so smart…
Cite a specific part.
Meanwhile, glad you now acknowledge international codes.
What was your position on violating the Nuremberg Code a few billion times. Article 1. No participation in a medical experiment without informed willing consent. You know…for the virus co-produced under Dr. St. Fau(x)ci with the experimental non-vaccine for which they changed the definition of vaccine to force an experimental medical product that doesn’t work on the populace by “experts” who suppressed rational and effective treatments and policies?
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Walter logic: because our government created a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic which killed millions, approved it on a rush basis, and he thinks some were somehow forced to receive it, Israel has full authority to slaughter tens of thousands of innocent civilians and those who criticize them for it are “terrorists”… sounds about par for the course…
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justifying the killing of civilians because combatants are among them is how Vietnam and Afghanistan “worked”, no?
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No. Because Hamas uses schools mosques hospitals to launch attacks against Israeli forces.
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“(D)Murder.—
The act of a person who intentionally kills, or conspires or attempts to kill, or kills whether intentionally or unintentionally in the course of committing any other offense under this subsection, one or more persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including those placed out of combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause.”
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and so did the Viet Cong and Taliban… right?
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“Nancy” cited Geneva Code. Still waiting for the cite that Israel is violating the Geneva Code. I cited that I was glad Nancy recognizes international rules since they were violated during Covidiocy. You, in fact, Troll bragged that you were going to get every “vaccine” of the jabjabjab as it continued to roll out. Have you done so? Or were you just doing your usual Dem Narrative Agitprop?
Tens of thousands of “innocent” civilians have not been killed. First, doubt the Hamas numbers of 34,000. It is easy to make up numbers. Second, 71% of “innocent” civilians approve of Hamas 10/7 genocide. Third, the Hamas barbarians use the civilians as fodder to create propaganda for either the evil (like I suspect you are) or the “useful id!ots. Give me a cite. Without reading the Geneva Code, I bet Israel is within the doctrine of just war. Hamas started it. And has continued it for decades. Too bad.
You cited Geneva Code. Not Nuremberg. Give the cite to the portion of the Geneva Code you believe Israel is violating.
This prohibition finds expression in Additional Protocol I (API) to the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which states that besieging forces may not starve civilians “as a method of warfare.” Similarly, it is prohibited to “attack, destroy, remove or render useless” any items necessary for civilians’ survival (e.g., food, land used to cultivate food, water, irrigation works, etc.), regardless of whether the objective is to starve the civilian population, to cause them to move, or some other motive.
And where is Israel violating it?
Plenty of aid is supplied, but doesn’t get to the residents. The only people trying to hurt the “civilians” are Hamas. Hamas, an evil organization that you apparently support because…you are a reflexively non-thinking Dem lover? – won’t let the civilians leave. Hamas uses Israel’s and the West’s decency in general against it because of all the useful I words and fellow travelers. Sorry – Hamas needs to be eradicated. Or you approve of 10/7? Microwaving babies? Multiple rapes? Cutting off genitalia? How about the hostages? One side is barbaric. One side is civilized. This isn’t hard for anyone with a working moral compass. How about compassion for the millions of aborted babies who didn’t vote for and support Hamas?
Am I not allowed to call him Netanyahooty? How about Pootin? Is President Briben okay?
And what, pray tell, was wrong with the post about the ICC?
The ICC likely discounts the opinions and warnings from non members pretty heavily.
Looks like there is substantial and increasing discontent within the ranks of professional careerists. It takes a lot to push a stuffed shirt FSO to resign in protest a couple of years before they are eligible for retirement.
Don’t believe Biden has ever known when to keep his trap shut, but would not be surprised if he’s simply unaware of what his administration is doing.
So true —– any state government which bans its opposition party, closes media outlets which criticizes its actions, cancels elections, and bans the opposing church, and which purposefully attacks its adversary’s public infrastructure SHOULD NOT GET OUR MILITARY SUPPORT — except Ukraine.
The New American SocSec plan…
https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/24119956/prisons-elderly-aging-prisoners-criminal-justice
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I drew a different conclusion from that article. I concluded that we are not locking up enough young people…
😉
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I drew a different conclusion from that article. I concluded that we are not locking up enough young people…
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If the reports of repeated requests are correct, the protesters and others complaints are like the person who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan.
The students who refused to comply with university policy should be suspended.
Truth and Reality:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d747d86193ff175723f6367f6a21999776c1b95a1ffda3404b30c32610ee4a4.png
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Now do “U.S. people” and “U.S. government”…
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Isn’t that poll US people? How do you “poll” the US Govt?
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How do you “poll” the US Govt?
There is no possible way you are that dense.
What I clearly meant was show a poll in which people were asked for there opinions about the U.S. people, and the U.S. government. Exactly the same form as the poll you posted.
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Why don’t you do that if that is what you want instead of asking others?
when you say “for there”
do you really mean “for their”?
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Why don’t you do that if that is what you want instead of asking others?
That’s rich coming from you.
when you say “for there”
do you really mean “for their”?
Yes. You caught one of my rare instances of inadvertent word misuse.
Congratulations! You get a trophy… 🏆
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When you fail to pay your taxes, it is non-violent. You still go to jail.
When a politician takes a bribe, it is non-violent. The politician still goes to jail (unless the politician is in Virginia).
Yes, the police arrested non-violent people breaking the law.
During the tiki torch protests / riots in Charlottesville, the police were there. They had riot gear. They had armored vehicles.
They didn’t make arrests.
Why not?
Ask Terry Mac and the Mayor of Charlottesville at the time.
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They did not make arrests at the tiki-torch march because no one was breaking the law – not the marchers and not the counter-protesters – or at any rate, no one was deemed at the time to be breaking the law. The groups were never ordered to disperse, most likely because everybody left the area after the march was over.
The law-breaking started the next day during the “unite the right” event.
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UVa had no rules against things like the tiki-torch march when it took place. They subsequently added rules about assemblies on grounds. Those restrictions are currently in effect.
MacAuliffe publicly advocated “Let them fight so I can declare it an illegal assembly”. The Mayor endorsed it and the Police Chief relayed that request to his officers. It subsequently cost the Chief his job.
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The Supt of State Police retired shortly thereafter also.
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