Reinventing Roanoke as Virginia’s Outdoor Capital


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22 responses to “Reinventing Roanoke as Virginia’s Outdoor Capital”

  1. idiocracy Avatar

    Ahhh, Roanoke…where I saw I guy standing on the street corner with a sign that said, “NOT GONNA LIE. NEED BEER MONEY”.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      I saw the same guy! Only he was shedding himself of the beer at the time.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    Roanoke has all the necessary outdoor pieces and parts from whitewater to mountain biking and skiing… and likely affordable housing and a decent quality of life.

    I’d put it with Asheville or Bend, Oregon or Butte in terms of an outdoor lifestyle.

    Bend and Butte are PRIMO , Roanoke is down a notch but well within the range of east coast kids growing up.

    1. idiocracy Avatar

      Yes, and Roanoke has plenty of jobs such as, for example, the corporate HQ of Advance Autoparts…

      …oops, nevermind. Looks like they moved to Raleigh, NC and laid 94 people off in Roanoke.

      https://www.vec.virginia.gov/warn-notice-detail/12027

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        It’s a little bit of chicken/egg… what in the world would any tech company want to locate in Bend, Ore or Butte, Montana?

        1. As far as Bend/Prineville/Redmond go, it’s cheap hydropower and even cheaper land. Prineville and Redmond are chock-a-block with data centers, Facebook being the most notable.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            the land of Subaru and Yakima racks… 😉

          2. You could say the same about Asheville! It’s been funny to see Appalachian cities (such as they are) remix PNW affectations into their own modes of living and self-expression. The Scots-Irish couldn’t abandon the flannel for long; it’s practically in their blood.

            I was at a bar in Harrisonburg recently. The clientele were mainly JMU grad students and local professionals, but if you shut the blinds and sipped the beer (inevitably an IPA), your first guess as to the location would be Salem OR, not Salem VA.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Harrisonburg is poultry and Amish also, no? And 33 west to whitewater.

          4. Moreso dairy and Mennonites, but tomato tomahto. Most of the development there is around JMU or meeting the Valley’s commercial demand — it’s the biggest consumer hub on 81 between Roanoke and Winchester.

            Rosetta Stone actually has an office there — the company’s founders were locals. Not much other activity on the corporate front, I’m afraid.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            You’re right.. it’s Mennonites.. not Amish… and the roads in their areas are generally pretty clean and tidy.

          6. That they are.

            If you want a *real* weird look at the Shenandoah, drive from WASP-central New Market to the Mennonite conurbations around Dayton and Bridgewater , and then break east to the post-Soviet immigrant community in Port Republic and Grottoes. Anecdotally, much of I-81 trucking is done by Russian Baptists who immigrated to that area in the 1990s and 2000s.

        2. idiocracy Avatar

          Perhaps their crime rate is a bit lower than Roanoke’s:

          https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/va/roanoke/crime#:~:text=With%20a%20crime%20rate%20of,here%20is%20one%20in%2021.

          “Safer than 5% of U.S. Cities”

          “With a crime rate of 48 per one thousand residents, Roanoke has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes – from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One’s chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 21.”

          And since we knows what goes along with a high crime rate…

          “Roanoke struggles with a 20.6 percent poverty rate that’s well above the Virginia average of 13.0 percent”

  3. Mr. Larry, if you are talking about Butte MT for its outdoor lifestyle, there are many places in Montana that are much better than Butte. Try Missoula or any place south of Missoula along the Bitterroot River. Alternatively, try up north in Whitefish, Columbia Falls or Kalispell around Flathead lake. I lived in Montana for 25 years and at no time did anybody say, “Butte is the place to go for an Outdoor lifestyle.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I may have got my Montana places mixed up.. (I know Butte is about mining). All the places you name are also places the young and active covet if they can get a decent job there.

      What do you think about Boise? It’s got tech for sure and it’s centrally located for outdoor living but I found it to be lacking except for their river park!

      1. Just before leaving school I interviewed with a Portland-based consultancy that had decided to go all-remote. Didn’t get the job, but I was interested to hear that of their younger employees, one had moved to Kalispell, one to Medford, and at least one to Sante Fe. The West is so loaded with opportunities like this that it really makes me wonder if East Coast economic development strategists are, as in Roanoke’s case, possibly getting in over their head.

        There are only so many Asheville-comparable East Coast cities, and if your target buyer persona is eminently young, active, and mobile (now more so after COVID), there’s increasingly little that the East Coast offers over the West except for proximity to family. $400,000 will get you a nice single family home in Salem, or a nice SFH + detached garage + meaningful acreage in much of the West. That is, until the Californians snatch it up.

        I’ll sing the praises of Boise all day — it’s from where my dad’s kin hails — but in terms of active lifestyles it’s more suitable for folks with boats and 4x4s than Lululemon joggers and hipster mountain bikers. There are a great deal of reservoirs, offroad parks, and overlanding opportunities, but outdoor activities within an easy bike/drive of downtown are hard to come by. If we’re still talking Idaho, the Spokane-Coeur D’Alene corridor up north is more of a direct Asheville comparison.

  4. djrippert Avatar

    Two of my sons went to Clemson and I’ve watched with great interest how Clemson University and the town of Greenville have come together to revive that area. Clemson is about 30 miles from Greenville so the comparison to VT and Roanoke seems apt. Like Roanoke, Greenville fell on hard times but (working with Clemson) revived itself. In 1960 the city of Greenville had 66,000 people. By 2010 it was down to 58,000. However, in the 9 years between 2010 and 2019 Greenville grew by 20.9% – reaching an all time high of just over 70,000 people at last count.

    None of this happened by accident. It was not mere “re-branding”. That never works.

    The airport was significantly upgraded.
    A sports arena was built (where you can watch the Swamp Rabbits play professional hockey).
    A performing arts center was constructed.
    Clemson moved some of its graduate programs to Greenville.
    Clemson built the Clemson University International Center for Automotive Research (CU-ICAR) in Greenville.
    BMW opened a major manufacturing plant in nearby Greer, SC.

    Meanwhile, Clemson’s enrollment is up 3.3% this fall in contrast with other universities.

    It’s a 4 1/2 hour drive from Roanoke to Greenville. I’d strongly suggest that Roanoke’s economic development crew get in their cars and head south. They might learn something.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      First time in Greenville was the late 70s. Depressing.
      Last time was three years ago. It’s a nice place.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        yep Greenville is on a roll and is ascending!

        Western NC if you’re into whitewater paddling… Mecca !

    2. I just looked up the Swamp Rabbits. I love their logo/ jersey design. I think I’m going to have to order one.

  5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Don’t forget Dixie Caverns…

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Geography will forever be the great barrier between Roanoke and the New River Valley. That stretch of 81 near Ironto was designed so that only Racer X could safely navigate. Roanoke has seen so much over the years. I remember locals would complain about the missed opportunity of a major airport hub that went to Charlotte instead.
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