No Vaccination Mandates for Community Colleges

Glenn Dubois

by James A. Bacon

In stark contrast to the University of Virginia, James Madison University, and the College of William & Mary, the Virginia Community College System board has decided not to require students to be vaccinated in order to attend classes in the fall.

“I believe it is in the best interests of our faculty, staff, and students to encourage everyone to get their COVID-19 vaccine,” said Chancellor Glenn Dubois in a prepared statement today. “However, we will not require an individual to be vaccinated to attend or to work at one of our colleges.”

Community colleges find themselves in a different situation than the four-year residential colleges. First, as Dubois said, community colleges don’t have residence halls. Second, they lack the public health infrastructure such as hospitals and clinics that make it feasible to support densely populated on-campus living arrangements, including the creation and protection of personal student health data like vaccination records. Third, Dubois said that mandating proof of vaccination might create an “unintended barrier” to student enrollment. 

Still, the community colleges’ decision could be seen as an implicit rebuke to four-year colleges that are mandating vaccinations.

When I queried Jeffrey Kraus, assistant vice chancellor for strategic communications, he stressed that the community colleges and four-year colleges face different situations. He cited guidance from the Centers for Disease control, the Governor’s Office, and the Virginia Department of Human Resource Management (DHRM).

The four-year colleges get the same guidance.

What counts as a “congregate setting?” According to the CDC and the Governor’s emergency order, fully vaccinated people do not have to wear masks in most indoor settings — except on public transit, in health care facilities, and in congregate settings. The Virginia Department of Health defines “congregate settings” as places “where a number of people reside, meet or gather in close proximity for either a limited or extended period of time. Examples of congregate settings include homeless shelters, group homes, prisons, detention centers, schools and workplaces.”

Presumably, that covers college dormitories. But many college students live off campus. At the University of Virginia, only first-year students are required to live in dormitories. Thousands of students and graduate students live off campus in houses, townhouses, small apartment buildings and other dwellings that may not meet the definition of “congregate settings.”

Parents of students living off-grounds might legitimately wonder why the mandate applies to their children, who by virtue of their age are already low-risk to begin with.

Medical privacy rights. Student privacy rights create another tricky issue. Four-year college officials may mandate vaccinations, but it’s not clear if they have the legal right to ask students if they have been vaccinated. 

According to DHRM, “Agencies will not be asking employees about their vaccination status at this time. While employers are allowed to do so, asking for vaccination status is sensitive to many and can also lead to legal liabilities that agency leaders may not be prepared to address.” That guidance applies to state employees, however, not students.

Parents of university students have raised the privacy issue for students, who enjoy certain protections under HIPAA (the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act). According to this line of argumentation, ascertaining whether or not students are vaccinated represents a violation of their medical privacy.

That is essentially the case that several conservative student organizations are making at Rutgers University in New Jersey. “We believe it should be a personal and private choice — not the government, not the state,” said Sara Razi, a Rutgers political science major quoted here. “No one should be making this decision for you — except yourself.”

Public health justification. Neither is it clear, with COVID-19 spread dramatically slowing, that there is a compelling public health reason to violate privacy protections. Nor is it self-evident that students are any less safe in college dormitories than they would be living at home, hanging out at bars, and doing whatever college-age students do.

A Jefferson Council colleague, Walter Smith, asked UVa President Jim Ryan what the scientific rationale was for the mandate. Ryan did not respond. However Rector James Murray did. He told Smith that the decision was made upon “advice from doctors, infectious disease specialists and public health experts from the UVA Medical School and Health System.”

Smith has submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to see that advice. He has been told the University will respond by June 2… unless it needs more time.

Bacon’s bottom line: I trust the vaccines, and I urge everyone to get vaccinated as I have. But I don’t presume to impose my personal convictions upon others who may have a different moral or medical calculus.

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41 responses to “No Vaccination Mandates for Community Colleges”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    In terms of congregate settings – also include dining halls, libraries indoor sporting venues, etc.

    It’s still driven by science – but we sometimes just buzz right on by what “congregate setting” means and the CDC provides fairly extensive guidance:

    In terms of required vaccinations – can elementary schools require vaccinations for things like measles and the like?

    CDC has guidance on that also:

    Virginia Department of Health > Immunization > School Requirements
    School and Day Care Minimum Immunization Requirements
    SIS Reports
    Documentary proof shall be provided of adequate age appropriate immunization with the prescribed number of doses of vaccine indicated below for attendance at a public or private elementary, middle or secondary school, child care center, nursery school, family day care home or developmental center. Vaccines must be administered in accordance with the harmonized schedule of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, American Academy of Pediatrics, and American Academy of Family Physicians and must be administered within spacing and age requirements (available at

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      How quaint, citing the CDC as experts….but then, that’s what we’ve got. It’s stock has sunk with me. BTW I was surprised last weekend the number of folks wearing masks inside places in San Antonio, since TX has this reputation….didn’t seem any different.

      The data now show that taking the two doses further apart works better than what we’ve done in the U.S. Mixing the vaccines also boosts the effectiveness. Don’t like “the science?” Wait two days and see if it changes. It is a process, not dogma.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        If not CDC, who? what other experts?

        Yes, can confirm on the masks. Yes, there are some that are not wearing but many still are. Are they making a political statement or are they sheepie?

        re: “the data”.

        hmmm… like data from scientists? COOL!

        yes… there are NOW “studies” that say the Moderna may be super-effective and not need booster.

        ” Immunity to the Coronavirus May Persist for Years, Scientists Find
        Important immune cells survive in the bone marrow of people who were infected with the virus or were inoculated against it, new research suggests.”

        hmm… more “process” or “dogma” , which?

        1. Publius Avatar

          SCIENCE! ™

          (Here, I’ll help – it’s University of Louisville. UL is in KY. KY has vax refuser Rand Paul. He isn’t a real doctor. Therefore this study is WRONG, because SCIENCE! ™)

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Let me fix this for you… “If not CDC, WHO?”

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh GEEZE!

        3. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          What I assume I saw in Texas was people acting on their own instincts, which is absolutely fine with me. Except in the airports where all is still mandatory…my longest stretch wearing a mask to date were the travel days.

        4. DJRippert Avatar

          Classrooms at community colleges are not congregate settings but at UVA they are? Cafeterias at community colleges are not congregate settings but at UVA they are?

          It’s improper for UVA to demand that employees (often in congregate settings) get vaccinated but it’s ok for W&M to make that demand?

          This isn’t a matter of CDC guidance or follow the science. It’s a matter of tyrant of a governor lacking the guts to demand that the “science” and CDC guidance be applied consistently across state owned institutions.

          Where is the jackwagon who banned the playing of music on beaches now that it’s time to reopen public schools or make decisions about colleges and universities?

          Oh that’s right – Wise King Ralph never mandates anything when it affects his grassroots base – science be damned.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Funny thing is that Northam has NOT “mandated” some of this but instead delegated it to the schools.

            But for some critics, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t and on top of that – just plain lies about what he actually has done – like delegating to the schools!

            The schools themselves seem to paying attention to what the CDC calls congregate settings where the school can decide how they might operate facilities that do have congregate settings.

            But even on things that Northam HAS mandated – it’s often, almost always based on specific CDC guidance.

            When that is pointed out, the critics then say the CDC is wrong and when you ask who if not the CDC – it’s a liberal conspiracy or some such.

            The critics are largely a gang of cretins in my view… They don’t have solutions other than – ” let everyone get infected and the survivors take over”. 😉

    2. WayneS Avatar

      “In terms of required vaccinations – can elementary schools require vaccinations for things like measles and the like?”

      One major difference is that those vaccines are fully approved by the FDA. The Covid vaccines are not – they are still experimental.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Okay but the idea that vaccinations can’t be required Writ Large is not true?

        I’m also thinking areas like food service, health care and hepatitis and the like.

        So if the FDA approves the COVID -no shot has consequences?

  2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Tuition per credit hour 187 bucks. How about a discount for the vaccinated?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      free six-pack? 😉

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        The decision to take this shot is one of the most one-sided risk equations we’ve ever faced. The benefit is huge compared to the downsides. But I’ve given up arguing with any of these fools….

        I suspect one new way of dicing the statistics would help. The cases and hospitalization and deaths still happening should be compared to the base population NOT VACCINATED, not the full population, and would suddenly be obvious as a still-active pandemic in that subset. Among those folks, it is still a danger, especially if they are high risk anyway. But the overall drop in cases, etc. may be giving them false comfort. Anybody 60 and up not getting this shot is really taking a risk.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Self-inflicted voter suppression.

  3. Publius Avatar

    Look! Up in the sky! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it’s Science Man. Science Man, who disguised as mild mannered blog commenter LarrytheG, fights a never-ending battle for unTruth, Deception and the Marxist Way.

    Does Larry work for the CDC? Or the Open Society Foundation? Or is he a retired AP reporter with daily access to their ever-changing stylebook and buzzwords of the day? Maybe he is Dr. St. Fau(x)ci’s kid, defending his Pop?

    I’ll be History Man, Economics Man, and Common Sense Man.
    History Man asks how come all previous viruses failed to wipe out the human race when we knew even less about medicine?
    Economics Man says IF and when a full and accurate accounting is done, everything (no, not fair, nearly everything) done has been catastrophically wrong. When Covid is measured as excess lives lost (Science Man, get out your climate fantasy modelers here so we can produce an obviously inflated number to protect the Nomenklatura’s mistakes), versus the loss of lives inflicted, SCIENCE! ™ will prove that the actions generally saved a few months of life for those who were going to die anyway at incredible costs – a net negative – drug overdoses, suicides, depression, domestic violence, stress, bankruptcies, delayed treatments now showing up as Stage 4 cancers, etc. Oh, and psychological and educational damage to children and tearing apart of society…
    Common Sense Man – the Fau(x)ci Flip Flops, the politician violations of their own rules (King Ralph, Whitmer, Newsom, Pelosi etc), the ability of the virus to differentiate between righteous rioting and evil Trump super spreader events. The dirty, filthy mask being used again and again and magically stopping particles some 20 times smaller than the openings in the mask from being breathed in… The high school wrestlers going at it, grappling, rolling around, contorting for 3 two minute periods, unmasked. And afterwards, having to put on their mask and not being allowed to shake hands? Common Sense Man is thinking… they’re peeing on my leg and telling me it’s raining. And Common Sense Man is right. Meanwhile Science Man, you have shown yet another reason for Common Sense Man doubting the experts with the new antibody news. Remember when Covid fear porn said ANTIBODIES DON”T MEAN ANYTHING! BE SCARED! WE MEASURED AND THEY WENT DOWN, SO THEY WILL DISAPPEAR! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE! (AAAAAGH!)? Your study said, “hey, look. They are still around 11 months later. So it looks like they spiked to fight the infection. Then dropped back to reserve level, hanging around in case they needed to muster the troops again…” History Man and Common Sense Man take a bow as they are proved right…

    So let’s do the metric for you Larry –
    Vaccinated – not at risk of catching
    Unvaccinated – at risk of catching and at risk of spreading to the UNVACCINATED.
    So, if you are vaccinated, why do you care about others?
    Oh, for public health reasons? Let me outlaw smoking, drinking, over-eating, gay sex, subscribing to Marxism, etc….Maybe even driving and playing sports, water skiing, snow skiing…
    Let’s further divide the Unvaccinated –
    Had Covid or didn’t have Covid…
    If you had Covid, then SCIENCE! ™ indicates you are the equivalent of vaccinated, and possibly better than vaccinated. (as your cited antibody article writes). Gee, this sounds like all viruses in history previously, History Man taking another bow….

    The vaccine mandates are not scientific. They are un-American. In fact, there is a substantial portion of the population that will resist just because you are trying to force it. So shut up, and leave people alone. Then go back to – wash your hands, don’t cough on people, if sick, stay home. Live like Americans, not scared subjects. If you get sick, we have ways to treat it. Read the Dr. Marik things – here is another non-fear that SCIENCE! ™ says – Covid does not kill by itself – it kills by what it causes – intervene aggressively to not let it get there. Science Man – remember when WE NEED VENTILATORS OR WE WILL ALL DIE? As it turned out, if you got to ventilator, you were more likely to die. In fact, ventilators were likely harmful.

    There is no scientific or moral reason to force students to be vaccinated. In fact, since the vaccines are EUA, I would suggest prudence and doing it only if other factors – you know like non-political doctors would with the “first, do no harm” principle.

  4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar

    Many of us face smaller scale versions of this vaccine mandate issue. Community music groups and other groups have to decide of they are going to mandate vaccine for participants for meetings/etc.

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    The College of William and Mary requires each student to submit an immunization record showing: Two M.M.R. vaccines; three Hep B vaccines; tetanus vaccine; and meningitis vaccine. Why would requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination be more of a HIPAA or privacy violation that these existing requirements?

    Quite frankly, I am surprised about the decision of VCCS. They don’t have dormitories, but they do have classrooms and laboratories, which would be congregate settings. Furthermore, many community college students are older than those attending four-year schools and, thus, more at risk. Perhaps the attitude of VCCS is: Come at your own risk. If you haven’t had a vaccination, then it’s your fault. I don’t necessarily disagree with that.

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    The College of William and Mary requires each student to provide an immunization record that shows: Two M.M.R vaccines; three Hep B vaccines; tetanus vaccine; and meningitis vaccine. How would requiring proof of COVID-19 vaccination be any more of a violation of HIPPAA or privacy rights than the current requirements?

    Frankly, I was surprised at the decision of VCCS. Although community colleges do not have dormitories, they have classrooms and laboratories, which are certainly congregate settings. Furthermore, a large number of community college students are older than those on 4-year institutions and more at risk. Perhaps the attitude of VCCS is this: Come at your own risk. If you have not been vaccinated, it is on you. I do not necessarily disagree with that approach.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: ”
    Update: The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons has published an open letter listing 15 medical and ethical reasons why universities should not mandate vaccinations. Hat tip: Sharri Thwin”

    This is an example of using a discredited group as if it was legitimate:

    from Wiki:

    ( Not to be confused with the Association of American Physicians or the American Association of Physician Specialists.)

    “The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1944. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association has promoted a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance.”

    Folks should read the entire Wiki on this group.

    Jim seems, at times, way too inclined to grab hold of these things rather than examine them critically and disclosing when there is information relevant to the group.

    1. Publius Avatar

      Because of course, Wikipedia is THE authoritative source…and doesn’t edit on the fly to be consistent with Leftist Orthodoxy…
      Hey, Science Man – why not address what was written, rather than engage in ad hominem attacks against the organization? Do you not have the SCIENCE! ™ to disprove what they alleged?
      Prove that the vaxes are safe for children.
      Prove that they are safe for young women.
      Prove that an mRNA vax, the first of its kind, is safe and that we know all consequences of screwing with mRNA.
      Prove that the vax is better than natural immunity.
      Prove that vax is necessary if you have natural immunity.

      Here, I’ll do you – Everything Anthony Fauci says is a lie, he joined NIH to avoid Viet Nam so he is a lefty coward who hates America and we should not believe him…

      Or I could point to the inconsistent and wrong things he said, but it’s easier to slime him.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Wikipedia is a compendium of references to authoritative sources.

        It’s not the only place to look for facts but it’s a good starting point and it almost always is correct on the facts.

        By the way, there is no “proof”. It’s all about assessments by folks who have relevant background and knowledge and then we have the ignorati who “believe” what they wish to.

        Fauci is no saint, never was, never will be, has his flaws but he’s a better man than you and your ilk by a ton.

        1. Publius Avatar

          So address the points made.
          Use the scientific process to show why they are wrong, instead of the crowd-sourced Wikipedia. (And of course, there is no editor bias in the contributors…)

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Again – Wiki is a list of references and it does have a process for vetting information and adjudicating conflicting viewpoints and facts.

            It’s not perfect but it’s way, way better than the garbage that comes from a lot of sites these days.

            In term of “proof” of vaccinations – why don’t you also consider other communicable diseases that the CDC and related deal with including childhood diseases , HIV, ebola, etc.. ???

            It’s a process. It’s a scientific process. It seldom generate absolutes. It generates ongoing/evolving assessments based on evidence and facts being gathered.

            It’s the same process for things like cancer or genetics, or earth dynamic, etc.

            If not for the CDC – where would we be on disease in general?

            Not sure what you’re expecting or would advocate for – different.

          2. Publius Avatar

            Still haven’t addressed the issues.
            You’ve defended Wikipedia, which academics discourage citing.
            You’ve defended the CDC. Haven’t exactly covered themselves with glory.
            KungFlu is not deadly to students. Why should they be required to get vaccinated? And, why wouldn’t natural immunity be better?
            Give me some of your science LarrytheG, not your standard defense of Leftist Orthodoxy…

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            At the bottom of every Wiki are the referenced material they cite and at the top of some, you’ll see this:

            ” From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.”

            Show me what other sites do that?

            Why should kids be required to get measles and polio shots?

            That’s your question?

            Are you daft?

            You call requirements for kids to get vaccinations – “leftist orthodoxy”?


            What would you do, just let everyone decide whether to get their kids polio shots or not?

            That’s the “science” you support?

          4. Publius Avatar

            As usual, Larry wasting everybody’s time.
            Wikipedia is not the issue.
            Polio and measles vaccines are not the issue.
            The “issue” is mandating Covid vaccination for students.
            If the government or businesses or schools can mandate something for this, where does it stop?
            Covid does not kill kids. They don’t need the vaccine. If they get Covid, they develop natural immunity. Why isn’t that better? Why isn’t it better than an EUA vaccine?
            Seriously, Larry – how much do you get paid to just recite Leftist orthodoxy?
            What happened to “my body, my choice?”
            The mandate is not scientifically based.
            Until years of experience have passed, it is medically wrong to vaccinate youngsters. They don’t need the vaccine. This vax changes mRNA. A first of its kind. Prudence says wait and see. Not OBEY YOUR BETTERS you ignorant people…

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Where did the idea of mandating vaccines for kids come from ? Is it an issue?

            But yes, vaccines , the history of vaccines – where they came from (science) and how they got recommended for people (and kids, depending), from the CDC is at issue.

            What role would you not have Govt and the CDC (and FDA) do or not with regard to vaccines -that they have not down all along prior to now?

            What changed?

            Covid vaccines have proceeded pretty much the way that vaccines prior to them proceeded in terms of science, govt and CDC involvement. No?

            what’s different?

          6. Publius Avatar

            Um…Larry….the article was about the Va Comm Colleges NOT mandating vaccines, while UVA and other schools have.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            yes, but you’re all over the map on wiki, vaccines, science, the CDC, the whole ball of wax.

            We’ve ALWAYS had “science” develop vaccines and issue recommendations and guidance and States and schools have always generated their policies informed by science and the CDC.

            What’s different now that they’d not continue that practice?

            You’re impugning the Govt, science , the CDC and the colleges for doing pretty much what they’ve always done when it comes to communicable diseases.

            What’s the problem?

          8. Publius Avatar

            You’re funny Larry…and I don’t think you intend to be.
            Rather than using your beloved SCIENCE! ™ to respond to the AAPS article’s assertions, you slimed them cuz Wikipedia sez so. Then you branched off into the reliability of Wikipedia and trusting the CDC and polio and measles vaccines. Answer the questions on Covid vaccines for youngsters. Use science. Try to stay on point…
            Then a moral decision will be necessary. Given the risks of Covid to youth (negligible), is it wise to require an experimental EUA vaccine be given? Or would it be wiser to wait and see? It will take a lot of scientific process from your beloved SCIENCE! ™ to arrive at vaccination of youngsters for Covid is wise.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            Did you notice that – that Update got taken down?

            And did you check the references in the Wiki – from other sources?

            It’s not a legitimate group.

            I did not “branch off”.. on Wiki, pretty sure you brought it up.

            And pretty sure you impugned science and the CDC, no?

            Common question

            Can CDC mandate that I get the COVID-19 vaccine?

            No. The federal government does not mandate (require) vaccination for people. Additionally, CDC does not maintain or monitor a person’s vaccination records. Whether a state or local government or employer, for example, can require or mandate COVID-19 vaccination is a matter of state or other applicable law. Please contact your state government or employer if you have other questions about COVID-19 vaccination mandates.

            The answer for COVID for youngsters IS THE SAME as the scientific process we have used for prior vaccines.

            There is no difference except for folks like you.

            If the vaccine is SO “experimental” , WHY are we giving it to older people AND why is it resulting in a significant reduction of disease without any serious side effects?

            When you say “youngsters” are you talking about Community College age?

            I don’t know exactly what your problem is but it walks and talks like the partisan anti-govt kind in play now.

            I’ve see and heard enough of your “other” to know who you are and what you stand for.

            You guys are just plain destructive IMHO. You have no real solutions and a view for the future – just anger and hate towards others.

          10. Publius Avatar

            Larry – you don’t know what you assert.
            If you weren’t just a partisan hack, you would be able to “hear” why people are skeptical about vaccinating the children, and yes, I am calling college age kids children because they are young and stupid, as I used to be.
            I remember thalidomide babies when thalidomide was prescribed for morning sickness.
            So, we have children who are not in need of vaccination, being mandated to get a vaccine, for not just an EUA vaccine, but a brand new, experimental mRNA vaccine.
            It is not -anti-government to think this is not medically warranted. But Larry, you can “think” (meaning feel) what you want. See, despite your best efforts, it’s still a free country.
            Now you can do the typical Leftist thing and say Darwin award winner and I hope all you science deniers die…cuz you care so much (as long as people agree with you).

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            Who is “mandating” that “children” get the vaccine?

            Are you calling young adults going to community college “children”?

          12. Publius Avatar

            Yes I am Larry. I said so above. And my point still stands – UVA has no right, medically, morally, scientifically, to mandate vaccination.
            But don’t kid yourself for one moment – the totalitarians will want to vaccinate for Covid even Kindergartners…

          13. LarrytheG Avatar

            and this is true: ” We continue to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for individuals 12 years of age and older.”?

            So we have science and the CDC recommending that seniors, and those with pre-existing conditions and kids older than 12 get vaccinated and how many millions have been vaccinated without death or serious injury?

            And your opposition uses words like “leftists” and “totalitarians” and the like?

            You guys are the reason we have the issues we have these days, right?

            The only reason we have beat the virus is not because of folks like you, right?

            Just so we know, you guys are basically opposed to govt, science, the CDC and “leftists”! 😉

          14. Publius Avatar

            Because mandating something that is medically unnecessary is totalitarian.
            And the people who seem so hell bent on mandating are Leftists.
            But if you trust the science so much, and you are vaccinated, then you are safe according to the CDC et al (and they may even be correct), so why do you care if someone doesn’t get vaccinated? An individual does not have authority to make his own medical decisions? Oh, that’s right – yes to kill a baby and to change biological sex…
            And then we can begin the whole circle again…the LarrytheG error loop that never ends. Science! Whataboutism, logical fallacies, name calling. Science! Whataboutism, logical fallacies, name calling. Repeat ad nauseam. A Sisyphean task with you…

          15. LarrytheG Avatar

            Did CDC mandate? So they can’t be “leftists” and “totalitarians”, right?

            Recommended, right?

            and for all adults including young adults, right?

            so , what’s the problem?

            A store can say “no shoes, no shirt,no service” right?

            And employer can say, no jeans , right?

            And a Community College can say, no boom boxes or racist T-shirts , right?

            So it sounds like you have a problem with rules, no?

            Sorry Charlies – it’s actually a good thing we have stop lights and speed limits cuz we do have guys like you that confuse “rights” with being responsible and using care around others. .

          16. Publius Avatar

            Still at where is the substantive, scientific response to AAPS issues. See, Larry, the scientific process has a natural skepticism and tests things over and over to “prove” something until SCIENCE! shows that is not best knowledge. We are still not at anything that shows why vaccination is better for college age and lower. CDC says so? That is hardly definitive. So, answer the freaking questions! Or in Larry world, is skepticism of the government disallowed?
            And don’t try the private company dodge…they all claim they are merely following CDC guidance and other experts…while not sharing that guidance. And then when you call them on that they scream “anti-science” “conspiracy theorist” etc. Answer the AAPS questions with real science, not with Wikipedia corporate ad hominem…

          17. LarrytheG Avatar

            The CDC recommends – and the data show that the vaccine is highly effective with few or no deaths or serious injuries.

            Any entity, public or private is free to base their rules on CDC recommendations.

            AAPS is a front group with a history of disinformation and worse, just look at the references provided.

            Articles and commentaries published in the journal have argued a number of non-mainstream or scientifically discredited claims,[26] including:

            that human activity has not contributed to climate change, and that global warming will be beneficial and thus is not a cause for concern.[32][33]

            that HIV does not cause AIDS.[34]

            that the “gay male lifestyle” shortens life expectancy by 20 years.[35]

            that there is a link between abortion and the risk of breast cancer.[5]

            that there are possible links between autism and vaccinations.[5]
            that government efforts to encourage smoking cessation and emphasize the addictiveness of nicotine are misguided.[36]

            The journal has also published articles advocating politically and socially conservative policy positions, including:

            that the Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional;[46]

            that “humanists” have conspired to replace the “creation religion of Jehovah” with evolution;[47]

            that “anchor babies” are valuable to undocumented immigrants, particularly if the babies are disabled.

            your kind of group but apparently even Jim B gagged!

          18. Publius Avatar

            Thanks, Lar. Still attacking AAPS instead of the assertions…
            Good night. Wasted enough of my life with you, other than to show you are not a “contributor” to discourse…you are a net negative…a de-tributor…

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