Lies, Damn Lies, and Presidential Debates

by James A. Bacon

Virginia played prominently in the disinformation spewed by President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump in their first 2024 presidential debate last night. Biden brought up the seemingly unkillable canard that Trump referred to the White supremacists in the 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville as “good people.” Meanwhile, Trump asserted that former Virginia Governor Ralph Northam said it was OK to “rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby.”

Predictably, conservative news sources called out Biden for his false claim, liberal sources criticized Trump for his, and both sides ignored the failings of their preferred candidate.

One would think that with video, transcripts, and Google searches, bad information would have a short life span. But it is a perverse characteristic of human nature to repeat a meme that confirms one’s worldview and reject evidence of its inaccuracy. This foible is a trait not only of the great unwashed but highly educated elites who presume that they know more than the hoi polloi.

Let’s look first at the “good people on both sides” untruth, which I have blogged about before and watched with dismay as it has proven as indestructible as the Terminator.

Here’s what Biden mumbled during the debate (according to CNN’s debate transcript):

What got me involved to run in the first place after my son had died, I decided – in Iraq – because of Iraq. I said, I wasn’t going to run again, until I saw what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia. People coming out of the woods carrying swastikas on torches and singing the same anti-Semitic bile they sang back in Germany.

What American president would ever say, Nazis coming out of fields, carrying torches, singing the same anti-Semitic bile, carrying swastikas, were fine people?

Let’s set aside the fact that the White supremacists in Charlottesville didn’t “come out of the woods” bearing swastikas on torches — they marched through the Grounds of the University of Virginia bearing tiki torches — and focus on the inaccuracy of what Biden said that Trump said.

This comes from the left-leaning Snopes fact-checking organization, which published a finding just a week ago:

In a news conference after the rally protesting the planned removal of a Confederate statue, Trump did say there were “very fine people on both sides,” referring to the protesters and the counterprotesters. He said in the same statement he wasn’t talking about neo-Nazis and white nationalists, who he said should be “condemned totally.”

Trump was talking about the Robert E. Lee statue controversy, not the White supremacist rally. Case closed.

While Trump was innocent of that particular calumny, he engaged in indefensible hyperbole in re-stating Northam’s remarks regarding abortions up to the moment of birth:

The problem [Democrats] have is they’re radical because they will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month, and even after birth – after birth.

If you look at the former governor of Virginia, he was willing to do this. He said, we’ll put the baby aside and we’ll determine what we do with the baby. Meaning, we’ll kill the baby. …

So that means he can take the life of the baby in the ninth month and even after birth, because some states – Democrat-run – take it after birth. Again, the governor – former governor of Virginia: put the baby down, then we decide what to do with it.

So he’s in – he’s willing to, as we say, rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month and kill the baby.

Northam clearly was discussing the fate of a severely deformed, “non-viable” infant immediately after delivery — not a “baby ripped out of the womb.” Here’s what he said (according to Snopes):

There are — you know when we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician by the way. And it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s non-viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered, the infant would be kept comfortable, the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother

One might argue that Trump’s misrepresentation was a less of a distortion than Biden’s “good people” comments: Biden was flat-out wrong while Trump was correct to say that many Democrats do defend late-term abortions and that Northam did imply that a non-viable infant might euthanized. But Trumpian hyperbole stripped the context of Northam’s hypothetical statement.

One might hope that Virginia’s incredible shrinking mainstream media would set the facts right. WAVY-TV stepped up with an article this morning criticizing Trump’s characterization of Northam’s remarks. The station had nothing to say, however, about Biden’s “good people” untruth, which feeds a larger Democratic narrative of Trump as a bigoted, quasi-fascist, aspiring dictator.

The lesson for all readers is to understand how the new media ecosystem works. With occasional exceptions, the still-dominant liberal media fact-checks Republicans and conservatives, and the insurgent conservative media fact-checks Democrats, liberals and lefties. To be fully informed, readers need to familiarize themselves with the competing narratives.


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88 responses to “Lies, Damn Lies, and Presidential Debates”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Two main street media fact checkers that I found called out both candidates for falso or misleading statements, not, as you imply, only Trump:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/fact-check-biden-trump-claims-first-debate-rcna157277

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Your main street media fact checkers are owned by multibillion dollar entertainment conglomerates.

    2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Your main street media fact checkers are owned by multibillion dollar entertainment conglomerates.

    3. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Sadly, no one gets points anymore for sticking to the facts. Hyperbole rules.

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Maybe we should start promoting them as "Hyperbowls" instead of debates.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Hyper-bole maybe??

          1. WayneS Avatar

            I was going for the sports comparison – a bit weak, admittedly.

      2. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        There is a huge discussion over what can be considered "facts." Trump used the term "black jobs" when he probably meant "low paying, entry level jobs that used to be frequently held by blacks but are now held by Hispanic immigrants."

    4. WayneS Avatar

      You don't see the reporting bias in this statement (from NBC)?

      Former President Donald Trump unleashed a torrent of misinformation on topics from terrorism to taxes during the first debate of the 2024 general election, while President Joe Biden flubbed figures and facts about military deaths and insulin prices.?

      A "torrent of misinformation" vs. "flubbed figures and facts"?

      The first implies intent to deceive, the second evokes unintentional errors.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        First, I was responding to Jim's assertion that the liberal media fact checks only Republicans and conservatives.

        Second, I think that is a pretty accurate summary of the debate.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          An accurate description of Trump's side of the debate.

          But Mr. Biden released his own share of misinformation (read: lies). His "flubbed facts" were mostly intentional misinformation, not simple mistakes.

        2. WayneS Avatar

          An accurate description of Trump's side of the debate.

          But Mr. Biden released his own share of misinformation (read: lies). His "flubbed facts" were mostly intentional misinformation, not simple mistakes.

        3. WayneS Avatar

          An accurate description of Trump's side of the debate.

          But Mr. Biden released his own share of misinformation (read: lies). His "flubbed facts" were mostly intentional misinformation, not simple mistakes.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Remember that content was secondary. The primary issue was cognitive fitness for office. That horror show is what had the Dems burning up the wires and web in the first minutes of the "debate", and they have not stopped.

            On fitness for another term Biden has said "Watch me". Last night most of the country did, and was horrified by what it saw. Letting Biden run is elder abuse, and abuse of the country and the world.

            Talk about a danger to democracy, demented old Joe is a danger to the survival of mankind. He is profoundly unfit for another term, not to mention unfit to fill out the last 6 months of this one. Who is actually running the country, Blinken, Sullivan, missing in action Austin, Jill?

            Trump did not "win", he still is who he has been. Biden very effectively took himself out of the race last night.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        how about this:

        " “Social Security … he’s destroying it because millions of people are pouring into our country and they’re putting them onto Social Security,” Trump said. “They’re putting ‘em onto Medicare and Medicaid. Putting them into hospitals. They’re taking the place of our citizens.”

    5. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      as did CNN right after the debate

  2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Since my guy wasn't permitted to participate in the debate, I didn't watch. From what I've read about the debate, however, I'm even more firm in my belief that I'm correct in being a Double Hater.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Hate takes a lot of energy and has its own downsides. I remain unable to vote for either of them, though. I give Trump points for staying calm and not acting out last night. He exceeded my expectations.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Neither Trump nor Biden are fit to sit on a town council or county board of supervisors much less be president. As I've written, RFK Jr.'s best virtue is that he is not Biden or Trump.

        BTW, the NC Board of Elections, controlled by Democrats, voted 3-2 not to allow the ballot petitions for putting Kennedy or Cornell West on the ballot in November. Looks like Trump tactics to me.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        You don't call lying in virtually every response as "acting out"? You've changed your mind and now think Trump is not a serious threat to the country as a Democracy?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          Both Trump and Biden are a threat to this country. That's why I've turned to Kennedy, even though I don't agree with him on many issues.

          Biden rants about abortion but what did he do as VP to push Obama to keep his promise to make enactment of the Freedom of Choice Act his number one legislative priority as Senator Obama promised in a meeting with Planned Parenthood? Had Obama, with substantial Democratic majorities in both Houses of Congress, kept his promise, access to abortion would not be an issue. Where is the media?

          The Washington Post had one news editor and two reporters quiz me for 2 and 1/2 hours because the McLean Citizens Association and its allies did not buy into the idea that so-called Smart Growth at Tysons would solve traffic problems. But it cannot ask Biden or one of his surrogates what did Biden do to press Obama on FOCA. The bottom line is that had Obama kept his promise, access to abortion would not be an issue today.

          Now watch everyone try to justify Obama's inaction. So-called women's rights activists are Democrats first and women's rights supporters second.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Your complaints with Biden seem to be more about differences of opinion on policy issues, right? Not about him openly promising to break the law, disregard the Constitution and take apart the govt. Two very different things in my view. Trump is promising to dismantle our form of government and you KNOW it's true because he was in office before and did exactly that.

            ANYONE, Dem or GOP that did not do that would be acceptable to me no matter the policy differences in my view.

            And one ALSO knows that Trump openly mocks fellow GOP and Conservatives like Bush and even Reagan as well as other GOP like McDonnell, Romney, Liz Cheney, and works to get them marginalized and booted and they are willing to work with Biden and other Dems to find compromise and middle ground – like immigration and other policy issues ranging from Ukraine to NATO to Energy policy, even taxes.

            Trump does almost none of that – he basically threatens and intimidates and promises to take his own actions without consultation or with regard to other elected.

            Who has Biden mocked and actively worked to get out of office that are in his own party?

            Have you heard Biden claim he is exempt to criminal prosecution – immune to it even as he pardons people convicted for crimes and promsises to do more? Have you heard Biden say he has total immunity and can pardon himself ?

          2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Biden has broken the law. The Supreme Court held that one of his cancel debt-buy votes schemes was illegal. That's called breaking the law. His unilateral decision to open the borders to illegal immigrants violates the law. How about enforcing the law before negotiating potential changes?

            Reagan tried amnesty for illegal immigrants in 1986. It failed miserably because many non-Americans figured (correctly) that if more came illegally, there would be calls for more amnesty. Another amnesty would further signal that illegal immigration is acceptable.

            You seem to think that opposing Biden means supporting Trump. I don't like either. I won't vote for either. Right now, the best choice for me is Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. If he were running, I'd likely for vote Manchin.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            He has but in a way that most POTUS have where they have pushed the envelope on interpreting law not openly violating the law and promising more of it and claiming complete immunity for it and saying they will pardon themselves. Two very different things.

            Most POTUS do not promise to break major fundamental laws and say they will pardon themselves.

            On illegal immigration – we actually both agree that NOT enforcing E-Verify and not having a guest worker program causes a lot of the problems. I believe a lot of Dems WOULD support both if the GOP would. The POTUS cannot do this without Congressional action unless he pushes the envelope, which he is doing right now and is being legally opposed and he may well lose on it.

            Without E-verify and a guest-worker program, we not only have a problem with illegal immigration but the illegals themselves become more like slaves who have no job protections, no minimum wage, no retirement or health care…

            What I think about Trump is this. If you agree that Trump is indeed a dire threat to our Democratic governance and institutions – then not voting or voting for a 3rd party is not acting to prevent him from taking over and doing what he is promising. If you don't believe he is a dire threat to the country – no better or worse then Biden then that is a principled stand. The folks that actually WANT Trump to take over THE GOVT and disregard Constitution…etc., I simply do not understand and cannot conceive.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Are you still at your Fairfax email?
            If not, can you send me your new one via JAB if you can't remember mine?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Are you still at your Fairfax email?
            If not, can you send me your new one via JAB if you can't remember mine?

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I do not like the term double hater. That is a term made up by haters on the Left to condemn anyone who does not agree with them. Disenfranchised is the word, and nobody cared about us since 2016…now suddenly somebody wants those votes.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    ”Trump was talking about the Robert E. Lee statue controversy, not the White supremacist rally. Case closed.”

    And that makes a difference? One begets t’other!

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Just watched the full debate this morning. Truth seldom entered the room. But I was mortified to hear the Northam reference. He is long gone and still embarrasses us, although he was probably accurate in describing what happens. Infanticide is never acceptable. If the child is breathing, it is not acceptable to kill it. Ralph implied that might happen.

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Yes. "Dr." Northam's actual words were extremely inhumane…and from a real doctor!
      Unbelievably callous, but that is the current cult of the baby-killers.
      I'm already getting ads on various online platforms about how good Catholic, Little Timmie Kaine, will make sure all women have the "right" to "healthcare" (otherwise known as electively ending a human life) and Hung Cao will make all women barefoot and pregnant.
      If that isn't a society in decline, I don't know what is.

    2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Well according to Uncle Ralph: "there are more old drunks than there are old doctors in this world so I think I'll have another beer."

    3. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Yes. "Dr." Northam's actual words were extremely inhumane…and from a real doctor!
      Unbelievably callous, but that is the current cult of the baby-killers.
      I'm already getting ads on various online platforms about how good Catholic, Little Timmie Kaine, will make sure all women have the "right" to "healthcare" (otherwise known as electively ending a human life) and Hung Cao will make all women barefoot and pregnant.
      If that isn't a society in decline, I don't know what is.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        So forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term as a punish for having sex with the wrong man makes society better?

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “So forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term as a punish for having sex with the wrong man makes society better?”

          … or being raped by the wrong man…

          1. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            The social conservatives would probably take a very Islamic view of rape and see it as a family failure to protect their females.

        2. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          And killing a baby makes society better?

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Where do you stand on IVF, Walt. Allow it or not…?

    4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Well according to Uncle Ralph: "there are more old drunks than there are old doctors in this world so I think I'll have another beer."

    5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      It was about when to decide to remove life support. That is all it was. Removing life support from terminal patients is not only acceptable but actually humane and none but the extreme considers it “killing”.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        If the mother IS going to die unless otherwise, terrible choices have to be made by her and her doctor … and her family, I cannot imagine some other 3rd party owning that decision.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar
          Teddy007

          But the pro-lifers want to make that decision because that decision can be used to punish women for having sex with the wrong man.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            but some of the same folks oppose birth control also.. hard to know and understand what they really want…

          2. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            They want women punished and women treated as second class citizens.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            If it’s that simple, it’s no contest as to what should be done. The essential core premise of democracy is for the majority to decide what is moral or not – and I think it’s pretty clear where most women are on this – and unfortunately where some men are. The ones that do get more attention from me are the women who are pro-life. They do straddle the issue.

    6. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      even Northam didn’t suggest infanticide. DNR, maybe. Doctors turn off respirators and extract feeding tubes as a matter of recourse. They also provide pain meds in, shall we say, high dosage.

      What’s your recommendation for, say, an anencephalic baby? Let him grow up to run a private equity firm and possibly enter politics?

    7. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      What makes it more mortifying is the fact that he's a Pediatrician. He would see you 4 days after your child was born to make sure everything is okay.

  5. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    A much bigger issue is out head of the military is out of his head. Who is running things? Our country is at risk because of all of the lies and denial.

  6. Thomas Dixon Avatar
    Thomas Dixon

    A much bigger issue is out head of the military is out of his head. Who is running things? Our country is at risk because of all of the lies and denial.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    re: " To be fully informed, readers need to familiarize themselves with the competing narratives."

    or just watch the actual debate and I'm not really buying the "both sides do it" idea! It was pretty much non-stop on one side in my view.

  8. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Northam did support Kathy Tran's proposed legislation that would have eliminated any meaningful prohibitions against late term abortions in Virginia. Northam did not support infanticide. His clumsy example was in reference to a baby born alive but not viable.

    https://www.baconsrebellion

    Both candidates lied during the debate. Here is a list of 15 lies Biden told:

    https://nypost.com/2024/05/

    However, the main point pf the debate wasn't who lied more. The main point was the clear evidence of Biden's dementia. His episodes of stuttering, sputtering incoherence should make ever voter wonder how Biden could possibly serve 4 more effective years as president.

    Predictably, the Biden supporters were out in force with excuses. Some said he had a cold. But the worst excuse might have come from Rep Ro Khanna.

    Khanna, a Biden surrogate, said, “We have a great team of people that will help govern. That is what I’m going to continue to make the case for.”

    That comment belies an ignorance of both the presidency and senility. The commander in chief’s orders don’t run through a committee before taking effect. Meanwhile, many people suffering from senility become very stubborn. Even if there were a committee vetting Biden's decisions (which there is not), there is no requirement for Biden to listen to that committee.

    What we saw last night was the man with the nuclear launch codes demonstrating a clear and obvious lack of mental acuity.

    Biden's mental decline will not reverse. It will not "level out". He will continue to fall further into senility as time goes on.

    The Democrats really need to find an alternative candidate.

  9. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Northam did support Kathy Tran's proposed legislation that would have eliminated any meaningful prohibitions against late term abortions in Virginia. Northam did not support infanticide. His clumsy example was in reference to a baby born alive but not viable.

    https://www.baconsrebellion

    Both candidates lied during the debate. Here is a list of 15 lies Biden told:

    https://nypost.com/2024/05/

    However, the main point pf the debate wasn't who lied more. The main point was the clear evidence of Biden's dementia. His episodes of stuttering, sputtering incoherence should make ever voter wonder how Biden could possibly serve 4 more effective years as president.

    Predictably, the Biden supporters were out in force with excuses. Some said he had a cold. But the worst excuse might have come from Rep Ro Khanna.

    Khanna, a Biden surrogate, said, “We have a great team of people that will help govern. That is what I’m going to continue to make the case for.”

    That comment belies an ignorance of both the presidency and senility. The commander in chief’s orders don’t run through a committee before taking effect. Meanwhile, many people suffering from senility become very stubborn. Even if there were a committee vetting Biden's decisions (which there is not), there is no requirement for Biden to listen to that committee.

    What we saw last night was the man with the nuclear launch codes demonstrating a clear and obvious lack of mental acuity.

    Biden's mental decline will not reverse. It will not "level out". He will continue to fall further into senility as time goes on.

    The Democrats really need to find an alternative candidate.

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

    No brain, no central nervous system, no heart let alone a heartbeat. This is the product of IVF. Please point to the soul.

    FWIW, mother nature destroys these by the bucket load daily.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      My brother and his wife would have been childless absent these techniques. Perhaps it is a convenient line that I draw in my mind, but it isn't a fetus until it is successfully implanted in the uterus. I don't consider it a child until it might be viable outside the womb. That's a moving line these days. But it is also true that more and more of the birth defects are detected very early now.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        There are birth defects, and then there are birth defects. Some afford decisions. Some don’t. Some shouldn’t. We cannot draw broad lines and expect fine results. The last thing I want is designer babies… unless they perfect it.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        There are birth defects, and then there are birth defects. Some afford decisions. Some don’t. Some shouldn’t. We cannot draw broad lines and expect fine results. The last thing I want is designer babies… unless they perfect it.

  11. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Northam did support Kathy Tran's proposed legislation that would have eliminated any meaningful prohibitions against late term abortions in Virginia. Northam did not support infanticide. His clumsy example was in reference to a baby born alive but not viable.

    https://www.baconsrebellion

    Both candidates lied during the debate. Here is a list of 15 lies Biden told:

    https://nypost.com/2024/05/

    However, the main point pf the debate wasn't who lied more. The main point was the clear evidence of Biden's dementia. His episodes of stuttering, sputtering incoherence should make ever voter wonder how Biden could possibly serve 4 more effective years as president.

    Predictably, the Biden supporters were out in force with excuses. Some said he had a cold. But the worst excuse might have come from Rep Ro Khanna.

    Khanna, a Biden surrogate, said, “We have a great team of people that will help govern. That is what I’m going to continue to make the case for.”

    That comment belies an ignorance of both the presidency and senility. The commander in chief’s orders don’t run through a committee before taking effect. Meanwhile, many people suffering from senility become very stubborn. Even if there were a committee vetting Biden's decisions (which there is not), there is no requirement for Biden to listen to that committee.

    What we saw last night was the man with the nuclear launch codes demonstrating a clear and obvious lack of mental acuity.

    Biden's mental decline will not reverse. It will not "level out". He will continue to fall further into senility as time goes on.

    The Democrats really need to find an alternative candidate.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Richard Jordan says it best.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvDcJydVcHo

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Haner and I don't agree on much but he as a conservative Republican KNOWs without question what a mortal threat to the country that Trump is. There are many other conservative Republicans with the same concerns.

      It's inexplicable to me that other Republicans don't see the same threat and are willing to put into office, someone who is saying up front that they will disregard the laws and even the Constitution even more than his first term.

    3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      when Dems lie, it is not a lie, it is valid attempt to manipulate public opinion to the Left's cause which is altruistic and best for America. We are dealing with the perception that perception is superior to the truth…that's politics, and most agree truth should be suppressed and dished out with extreme caution. Non-truths do not require 100% of certainty of being true, but truth needs to be withheld at least until it is 100.000% true and agreed to by all.

    4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      when Dems lie, it is not a lie, it is valid attempt to manipulate public opinion to the Left's cause which is altruistic and best for America. We are dealing with the perception that perception is superior to the truth…that's politics, and most agree truth should be suppressed and dished out with extreme caution. Non-truths do not require 100% of certainty of being true, but truth needs to be withheld at least until it is 100.000% true and agreed to by all.

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Lies, Damned Lies, and Laughing Silliness…
    Gorsuch’s opinion in Chevron referred no less than 5 times to “nitrous oxide” rather than the pollutant compounds, “nitrogen oxides”, demonstrating a laughable lack of knowledge in the differences between the gas he gets during a root canal and smog as he stripped away regulation power from EPA chemists to take upon himself.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Yes, SCOTUS is telling the agency how to do their actual work and none of them have the credentials needed to do the agency work.

  13. Clarity77 Avatar
    Clarity77

    Watching democrats melting down into hysteria after the debate is just priceless. Trump was brilliant in having agreed to the debate even with all the democrat tactics to give favor to Biden. He "roped a dope" in the debate ring and democrats never saw that coming.

    I am reminded of another red haired president who JFK famously referred to in a White House dinner honoring assembled Nobel prize winners in which he, to paraphrase, noted the moment in which never before had such an amazing collection of minds been assembled, "except when Jefferson dined alone."

    Gentlemen, if there are such amongst democrats, you have just witnessed the singular most brilliant moment in American political history. And once again carried out by a red(orange if you prefer) haired president.

    Was JFK's noting that about Jefferson the reason the CIA dispatched him? Maybe I better be more careful pointing out the truth which is something I have always observed democrats have such a problem dealing with.

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    the only thing more cringeworthy will be Trump’s reaction to his very own “John Ashcroft” moment.

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