Governor Youngkin Can Restore Parental Rights in the Treatment of Transgender Children in Schools with the Stroke of a Pen
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96 responses to “Governor Youngkin Can Restore Parental Rights in the Treatment of Transgender Children in Schools with the Stroke of a Pen”
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The bottom line is do parents have the right to parent? Take one of the above situations – “If she tells the parents, they might beat or disown her” – or there are a dozen other possibilities both positive and negative. If a teacher, who is a representative of the State, makes the choice without the parents then whatever happens to the child becomes the States responsibility. There is no perfect answer but as with vouchers, 95% of the time parental choice will work. Assuming parental irresponsibility is anti-family.
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“Dr” Warren supports Don’t Ask Don’t Tell in Virginia’s public schools… who’s surprised…
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Making stuff up as usual.
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Not at all…
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You must have had a beaut of an upbringing. Your fear of parents is palpable.
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I am a parent, “Dr” Warren… smh…
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Really, you seem to think every parent but you is abusive. I happen to think the opposite.
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I agree that you think no parents are abusive. Unfortunately, you are wrong… as usual…
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I do agree that you think there is no such thing as domestic child abuse. Unfortunately, there is.
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No one is talking about making medical decisions. There is no question that teachers cannot make medical decisions without the consent of the parents, except in emergencies. What we are talking about is telling a parent about a child’s gender identity issues.
The issues are not as simple as you imply. You seem to believe that, if a kid confides in a teacher about his/her gender identity issues, the teacher should be required to inform the parents. There seems to be a double standard at work here. Many conservatives defended a Loudoun teacher who refused to use different pronouns, saying that his freedom of speech was being infringed. Why would not the same standard apply here? Would not requiring the teacher to tell the parents about their kid’s secret be a violation of that teacher’s freedom of speech?
How about other issues? Should a teacher have to tell a kid’s parents that her daughter has told the teacher that she is pregnant, even if that information were provided to the teacher in confidence?
By the way, how would you recommend that the Superintendent rewrite the model policy so as to still be in compliance with the state law?
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The Sherlock has spoken!!! Decision makers must listen.
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To answer your last question, Sherlock needs VA Republicans to take the Senate first.
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Actually, Rosie, this particular law is law, and it instructs the Superintendent of Public Instruction to write the model policies. That law stands, and it is just an outline.
The current Model Polices stand at the forbearance of the Superintendent. He can and will write new model policies in compliance with the current law that says nothing whatever about involving parents or not.
Sorry, the General Assembly does not get another vote until the Democrats take over the Governorship and both houses of the GA.
So the Governor does not need anything from the General Assembly. Sorry again.
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oozing with autocracy?
Yep the Gov tells him/her and he writes a new policy and no one has any input .. done deal?
We know how you roll. Trumpy
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You should familiarize your self with the term chief executive.
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“elections have consequences” = autocracy – a tendency of too many far-right Conservatives these days evidenced by CPAC holding court in Hungary…
The Governor does NOT get to dictate policy – wrong!
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Come on, Larry. “Elections have consequences” is not a hallmark of autocracy. Just the opposite; it is a bedrock of democracy.
Just as the 2019 elections for the Virgiinia Assembly had consequences, this situation is another example. The statute says that the Department of Education, not the Board of Education, shall develop the model policy. The head of the Department of Education answers to the Governor.
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Hey, You got it backwards and/or I stated it such that you thought that.
But, as you cite , when an elected Gov ignores the existing process and decrees policy and justifies doing it by saying “elections have consequences”
It’s what autocrats often do, i.e. claim they have a “mandate” and “elections have consequences” to justify their arbitrary actions.
Youngkin has no such election mandate but even if he won by a huge margin – he cannot disregard existing processes and structure and just “rule”.
But it’s exactly how some folks think… like some right here in BR!
capishe?
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The bigger question is why teachers have become amateur psychologists in the first place. As far as I know, the typical front-line teacher is not a credentialed child psychologist. Why should they be counseling children on deep psychological issues like gender identity? How many children does a typical front-line teacher teach at any given time? 150? How many amateur child psychology sessions can a front-line teacher afford to conduct each week?
Teachers need to get back to teaching. Deep psychological questions need to be referred to trained psychologists.
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Teachers have not “become” amateur. They have had a role all along to be available to kids who are having conflicts with their parents and especially so if abuse.
They don’t diagnose, they refer to the appropriate resources.
Do you understand how many children get referred to social services because of abuse? Many of them get there via a teacher. The teacher is the only other adult some of them have access to.
What exactly would you do instead if you take the teacher out of this?
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I would put the parent back in. You must have had a rough childhood. You seem to hate the idea of parental responsibility.
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“Dr” Warren, you are now suggesting that teachers turn a blind eye to suspected child abuse and instead turn the child back over to the abusive parent. You are soulless.
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this is conservatives problem. The can’t seem to reconcile the real world and how to deal with it. IN their world, there are no bad parents and the state should never be intervening in the first place.
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You are suggesting that all parents are abusive. What a truly ignorant comment
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How do you get that? He says there is such a thing as parental abuse. What do you do when it happens?
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You sure don’t turn it over to a teacher. If the abuse is criminal and substantiated, the law enforcement should be involved.
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not turned over to the teacher – detected by the teacher and turned over to appropriate ….
How do you know something should be turned over ? How do you first detect it?
It’s been a standard duty of teachers… to see signs of abuse or hear from the kid then turn it over.
How would you do it different?
Would you do it different without teachers?
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I wouldn’t have teachers trying to convert to some lgbtq agenda item. That is child abuse – and yet that is happening regularly without punishment.
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would you have teachers that saw signs of parental abuse report it? The comment about LGBTQ is just idiocy and deflects from the issue IMO.
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would you have teachers that saw signs of parental abuse report it? The comment about LGBTQ is just idiocy and deflects from the issue IMO.
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A teacher should report suspected abuse to a higher authority. Unlike you, I am actually certified in child health and safety. This is required of anyone who works officially with children. The protocol is to bump your concerns up the line not to become insubordinate.
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So the teacher is qualified and authorized to make the initial determination as to whether or not an issue should be reported? We agree?
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Notice that the action is limited to reporting not interfering. This is standard procedure in non-emergency situations. A teacher doesn’t get to play God.
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no one has claimed that. Do you agree the teacher is the appropriate person to determining if it needs to be reported? Would the teacher just report any suspected to LEO and no one else?
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Report it to whom. A teacher doesn’t get to play God.
okay – to who? what should be the standard. Any/all to LEO?
The process requires the teacher to consult with higher authority not to try and solve it independent of consultation with that higher authority. Even in that case, things go wrong. See transgender rapist here recently where everybody tried to cover up two rapes.
when you say “higher authority” – is it LEO only?
re: the transgender rapist –
have you read the truth of that or are you just promoting more false things like other Conservatives?
this is the problem with conservatives – they don’t care if they lie about issues… the same folks who blather on about principles and character.
Larry: You need to acquaint yourself with child health and safety protocols. There is a course that fully outlines how to proceed. If you do any voluntarism with children, you have to pass a background and take the course. You then have to go through an annual update.
No rough childhood but VERY AWARE of teachers who get involved in parental abuse issues.
You need to acknowledge that there IS parental abuse. It DOES exist. NOw ask yourself how it’s actually been handled all along and continues.
Do a google search on the number of cases of parental abuse each year. Ask yourself how it gets reported initially.
Of course there is parental abuse, but there is also teacher abuse. You want to take parents out of the equation but at the same time make them responsible for every other parental action. Who does a teacher call when a child becomes sick, gets injured, forgets their books, loses a shoe, gets assaulted, – a parent. You somehow think a parent can be trusted in these things but can’t be trusted when lgbtq is involved.
Did not say ANY of that! I said that there is such a thing and how does it get handled?
Want to try again?
you’re deflecting from the central issue.
Do teachers have a role ?
Teachers have to trust parents not blindside them and then punt when things go wrong. You have specifically selected lgbtq issues for parental exclusion. Once you go down that road then you might just as well get rid of the adult-child laws and concepts. Hitler took babies away from their mothers – didnt work out well.
The child is a human being not property.
And who brought that child into the world and has the greatest stake in their well being. Clue, it isn’t a teacher.
It is really not about teachers having a role in this area. Note what the good “Doctor” and other Conservatives want is to force the teacher to report any child who they know to be lgbtq to their parents whether the child wants to come out or not. The teacher should be allowed to simply do nothing. It is really not their business what sexuality a student is. According to Conservatives sexuality has no place in schools to begin with.
Suspected child abuse… the teacher has a responsibility to report such suspicions, end of story, whether the good “Doctor” agrees or not.
If the kids KNOW the teacher will do nothing or worse, report them back to their parents, the kids will no longer communicate that way – and apparently that is what Conservatives want…..
Exactly… but we are only one step away from forcing teachers to report suspicions. How long until we have anti-homosexual sodomy laws in Conservative states again…? Guaranteed the good “Doctor” and others here support them.
There are 84 million parents in the USA and about 70% are in two person families. There were something like 440,000 claims of abuse substantiated. Of those 440000, about 9% involved families. -thus 40,000. Of the 40,000, some are associated with lgbtq but at least 70% to 80% (or higher) involve male female or female male. Thus maybe 8,000 involve lgbtq – and I suspect that is a high number. In other words, trusting a parent is a good idea.
By far, the large majority of parents know their child is lgbtq before the school knows. If a child does not come out to their parents, there is a reason. A clear signal the child is at risk.
Now you support my point. I trust parents but you have been arguing that you shouldn’t trust parents. So, if what you say is correct, how kany such children are there. 10, 100, a thousand? You made this into a giant issue but can’t even come up with a number. How many lgbtq children are subject to parental abuse?
If a child does not wish to come out to their parents, there is a reason. Why do you wish to force teachers to out them against their will. The number is not important.
Yep. there is a lot weaseling around here on responses to this specific question.
Not how many but what do you do about the ones that do happen.
Sounds like he wants the kids “reported” to their parents…
Well, at least you admit you don’t trust parents.
No, I don’t blindly trust all parents. Why would you? To do so puts children (especially trans children) at risk. You are perfectly fine with that.
I agree. What do we do about the ones we trusted that abused anyhow?
If the abuse is physical, law enforcement needs to be involved. Once you get into trying to read minds, then you should consult a psychic or maybe a pastor.
You got the cart in front.
How do you KNOW there is abuse of any kind to start with?
what starts the investigation?
It starts with discovery and that doesn’t just mean a teacher. For example, If a volunteer, – could be a parent, coach, childcare provider, – suspects or sees something odd, they are supposed to report it to the next higher level authority (principle?) Often people don’t believe what they see so they don’t act – but, again, they are not supposed to take charge unless violence is occurring. Too many of these leftist teachers usurp the role not only of the parent but the higher level authority – and they do so to advance a particular agenda. such teachers are villains not heroes.
If the abuse is physical, the answer is obvious. If it isn’t, then leave it alone. Teachers aren’t psycoanalysists, psychics, or pastors
how do you KNOW if you don’t detect it to start with?
no one is claiming that teachers are anything but the ones who see the kids every day and in a position to see or suspect it.
If you don’t want teachers doing this then how do you want to do it instead?
“They don’t diagnose, they refer to the appropriate resources.”
That’s what should happen. Presumably, the “appropriate resources” are licensed child psychologists. In other words, providers of medical care (yes, mental health counseling is a form of medical care). And that care should be reported to the parents.
You have, once again, gone off topic with your reference to abuse. This is about children who question their gender and school officials who want to counsel the child without their parents knowing.
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“it’s what teachers do and have done for quite some time – AND it includes how parental abuse is also handled – the same way .
The kid goes to the teacher. The teacher listens and then depending on the specifics, refers and yes, they do it without the knowledge of the parents sometimes ESPECIALLY when there is evidence of abuse.
How would you do this differently?
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They want the onus to be on the teacher or counselor. If the teacher is aware of a child being lgbtq (or even suspects?) they MUST report this knowledge to the parents regardless of the impact on the student. That is the Conservative approach.
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Yep. But if potential abuse.. what do Conservatives say? Not have the teachers do that role?
I have a feeling that the issue is not teachers being confided in, but school counselors. If a kid is changing into dresses at school and then changing back into “male” clothes to go home, an example cited by Kerry, I can’t believe that behavior will not get back to the parents somehow. Other kids talk.
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Yes… but in general… the other kids don’t know the parents… unless they are friends with the kid and if they are they know how that kid feels about his/her current relationship with their parent.
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If a child is trans and the parents are not aware, there is a reason for that. By and large, the parents are the first to know.
Human development research has long validated that as kids mature part of what they need is support of other significant adults. Their developmental tasks require some separation from the family of origin. That isn’t erasing parents, but it’s kids moving toward adulthood and being able to function on their own. As I read some of this, it seems that folks are so worried about the rights of the parents that they are ignoring the needs of the kids. Neither can be erased. Making teachers the enemy hurts their credibility with their students. Can’t we find some reasonable balance among kids, parents, and teachers?
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When a child is sick, the school calls the parent to come and pick them up. But the left wants a carve out when it comes to lgbtq interests. The left wants this carve out down to 3 year old pre-school kids. That is absurd and dangerous for all involved.
Some teachers just care more than the parents…
https://whdh.com/news/teachers-remember-5-kids-killed-by-dad-at-death-penalty-trial/
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Their job is first and foremost to educate. Some teachers use caring, others use reasoning, and some others just try to get through the day.
Okay, so these kids tell their teacher something in confidence, and you want the teacher to be required to inform the parent?
https://www.kmbc.com/article/man-charged-with-murder-after-kids-tell-teacher-that-he-killed-their-mom/8659672
And as for the effectiveness of online learning…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/florida-child-s-mother-shot-killed-during-online-zoom-class-n1236499
Then too, teaching takes a toll…
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/12/12/commerce-city-teacher-resigns-message-i-want-to-kill-children/
Oh wait. Disregard my previous posts. Clearly I was taking one or two examples and blowing them out of proportion. Imagine trying to establish, or debunk, a policy based entirely on one incident. That would be stupid.
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They’re using “soft power” to influence gullible Americans – for now…
https://www.usip.org/publications/2022/02/how-putin-turned-religions-sharp-power-against-ukraine
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Opiate of the masses. If I can get you to believe the absurd…
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