Fiscal Train Wreck

by James A. Bacon

Think of the Washington Metro as a harbinger of the fiscal fate in store for the United States: it’s just a matter of time before the wheels fall off the subway car.

Today The Washington Post reminds us that the Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) is running out of money. Its governing structure encompassing Virginia, Maryland and Washington, D.C., is dysfunctional. The federal COVID-relief spigot has stopped spewing cash. Labor contracts have driven up payroll costs. Ridership has plummeted since the COVID-19 epidemic. Repeated efforts to fix the quasi-government enterprise have failed utterly.

Metro’s $2.4 billion annual operating budget faces a $750 million shortfall this year. Metro officials are projecting annual deficits of a billion dollars.

Metro’s rail and bus system is critical transportation infrastructure for the Washington metropolitan area, so “the nation’s subway system” has always been able to shake down state, federal and local government for more money. But there may be a limit to how much state and local governments, which are constitutionally required to balance their budgets, are willing to pay — or will be able to pay in the not-so-distant future when federal aid dries up, as it inevitably will.

“WMATA’s total budget has grown significantly faster than incomes in Virginia since 2019, and it is now the most expensive major heavy rail system to operate in the country,” Virginia Transportation Secretary Shep Miller told the Post. “This trend — driven primarily by costs related to overhead, not service — does not bode well for the long term.”

The Youngkin administration will likely hold out for some cost-cutting measures before doing the inevitable and capitulating for fear of the damage that a collapsing Metro will inflict upon the Northern Virginia economy. Average weekday ridership in the first quarter of 2024 was 507,000, and the prospect of all those commuters pouring onto the region’s already-congested roads is too awful to contemplate.

Or is it?

Maybe it’s time to think the unthinkable and let Metro go belly up. Sell or lease assets to the private sector in the hope that someone can figure out how to squeeze a profit from the most lucrative bits and pieces of the enterprise. Who knows what might be possible if a private operator were liberated from an onerous labor contract and a welter of federal regulations?

The Washington metropolitan area has a workforce of about 3.4 million. In very rough numbers, half reside in the metropolitan core served by Metro rail and buses. What would happen to the highway system if 500,00 Metro riders suddenly had to find alternative ways to work? Would the urban core descend into 24/7 gridlock?

Presumably, some Metro riders would choose to work at home. Maybe private-sector alternatives would emerge, such as Uber-style van services, or third world-style jitney services, or other forms of ride sharing that would find a willing market if subsidized Metro routes no longer competed for the business. Maybe Arlington, Alexandria, and Fairfax would divert the money from the Metro black hole into alternative transportation projects. Maybe Elon Musk’s Boring Company, which bores tunnels, would find a market digging underground roadways. Who knows what human creativity might accomplish?

We’re all living on borrowed time, fiscally speaking. At some point investors will revolt against $2 trillion-a-year federal deficits and the mountainous $35 trillion national debt. As the federal government faces insolvency, every state government, local government, school district, beltway bandit, and quasi-governmental authority sucking on the federal teat will find itself writhing on the floor like a heroin addict in withdrawal.

Citing the most recent Congressional Budget Office (CBO) figures, Jeffrey H. Anderson in The City Journal details “America’s debt emergency” that everyone from presidential candidates to Wall Street speculators push to the back of their consciousness.

National debt, as a percentage of GDP, is projected to reach 109 percent in 2028, an amount greater than at any point in the nation’s history, and will hit 122 percent of GDP at the end of 2034. Interest payments on that debt are at an all-time high. “This year, for the first time in American history,” writes Anderson, “we will spend more on net interest payments on the debt than on our entire discretionary defense budget.”

“Mandatory” spending dominates our fiscal picture. This year, nearly 75 percent of federal outlays—consuming 104 percent of our tax revenue—is on autopilot, either in the form of “mandatory” programs or net interest payments on the debt. In other words, we could eliminate our entire defense budget, as well as every other dollar of discretionary spending (that is, outlays approved by Congress through the usual appropriations process), and we’d still have a deficit this year. Politicians nevertheless continue to revel in the fantasy of balancing the budget by “cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.”

A fiscal reckoning is only a decade or so away — when the Social Security trust fund runs out and a criminally negligent Congress is forced to act to bail it out. Whatever the response, it will generate massive uncertainty. The nation is at risk of a political crisis precipitating a fiscal crisis, which in turn will precipitate the mother of all political crises.

Anyone with a time horizon that extends beyond his next meth fix has to contemplate the prospect of massive cuts in federal spending in the foreseeable future. Virginia state government, local government, and quasi-governmental entities — and that includes the Washington Metro above all — have about a decade to bullet-proof their balance sheets or fundamentally rethink the way they provide core public services.

The Washington Metro has had its share of train wrecks. Metaphorically speaking, its finances are a train wreck, too. So are the finances of the federal government. Like it or not, we’re the passengers along for the ride.

Correction: An earlier version of this article confused 507,000 “weekday” Metro riders with 507,000 “weekly” riders. The error has been fixed.


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79 responses to “Fiscal Train Wreck”

  1. Where did that photo come from? It certainly isn't a picture of a WMATA station or train.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      It is a NYC subway car from a previous decade.

      1. It's a Bing Image Creator image.

        1. I know you were going for a certain effect, but why not just post a photo of a real DC metro station and areal metro train?

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            That is not nearly as cool as using AI.

  2. Teddy007 Avatar

    Image what traffic would look like in DC with no train or buses. Image the issues that companies will have if all their employees have to drive to work and find parking.

    1. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      I was just up their Wed thru Fri and traffic was not as heavy as the old days of the 80-s and 90's and since federal workers aren't working traffic was moving pretty good.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar

        It is also the dog days of summer when the schools are out, congress is not in session and people are on vacation. What is odd is telecommuting has moved to busiest days from Monday and Friday to Tuesday and Wednesday.

  3. Wahoo'74 Avatar

    Excellent article, Jim. Federal and State spending are totally out of control. Massive cuts are in order and privatization needs to be the battle cry. There is simply no accountability in government spending.

    We are now past the crisis stage. $35 trillion in Federal debt is unfathomable, as is the 109% of GDP statistic. Most people have no idea what that means. I do, itโ€™s Venezuela and Argentina like numbers. You canโ€™t borrow your way to happiness and fiscal prosperity, despite what Bernie Sanders thinks.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      Once again, the current budget deficit is $1.7 trillion a year. Please list specific budget cuts that will add up to $1.7 trillion and are politically possible. One can cut all non-military discretionary programs and not reduce the budget deficit by $1 trillion and that would mean no Department of Homeland Security and no border security.

      1. Wahoo'74 Avatar

        Eliminate the entire Dept. of Education. Education is local. Student academic results were FAR better before it was created 5 decades ago. According to PEW Research, US students rank 28th in Math, 12th in Science among the top 37 OECD countries: Inexcusable. The Department of Education is a “failed division” that needs to be eliminated. Do it.
        https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/most-americans-think-us-k-12-stem-education-isnt-above-average-but-test-results-paint-a-mixed-picture/.

        Go through EVERY department and cut expenses by 10%, just as I did in my 4+ decade corporate finance career when analyzing a financial hemorrhaging company.

        One exception: military. Biden has cut those expenses with a vengeance. We can no longer fight a 2 front war, our Navy has 20% fewer ships than 2 decades ago. National defense is our #1 priority, not preaching DEI/CRT nonsense to K-12 schools and universities, which is a lot of the the Department of Education does now.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar

          For the Department of Education “the fiscal year 2025 Budget requests $82.4 billion in discretionary funding for the Department of
          Education, including a change in mandatory program (CHIMP) and rescissions. This Request reflects a $3.1 billion or 4.0 percent increase from the fiscal year 2024 annualized CR level.” according to their published budget. Just $1.62 trillion to do.
          DEI money is round off in the federal budget. Unless one is willing to reduce social security benefits, reduce the pay of physicians and nurses, lay off mass numbers of numbers and healthcare workers, and accept decreasing life expectancy, then one is not serious about cutting the budget. Try harder.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            This is the problem that many conservatives and GOP have with the budget and deficit.

            They love to talk about the deficit and the need to "cut" but they won't deal with the actual realities and instead use the discussion about the deficit to talk about essentially de-funding things they disagree with that have no real impact on the budget, i.e. won't get you even close to real deficit reduction.

            They EVEN advocate for MORE money for their favorites, like DOD!

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/214fc5484b6747ef29157c4e3403f55059c2a1ec505e3674dd38dc32539cf60b.png

            And that is how the Conservatives in Congress deal with the realities, they don't, they simply ignore them and threaten shutdowns over cuts they want even though those cuts get nowhere near the deficit, it's just govt agencies they don't like and want to target.

            The simple reality is we want a "Defense" that we're not willing to pay for and instead pretend we can do it if we cut things like the Dept of Education.

          2. Teddy007 Avatar

            And the two biggest portions of the Department of Education spending are Title I funds to the poorest school districts. Cutting off those funds would just raise state and local states and funds to students with special needs. Unless one is willing to punish a lot of students for being poor, cutting education is impossible. And the Defense slice seems to include Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Part of the reason the DoE got created in the first place was to serve the needs of kids the states and locality would not do. People forget that. Before the DoE, if you had a kid with special needs, the schools would not
            take them. It was on you.

            If the DoE went away and the rules reverted, and left up to the localities, many would bail again.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Unlike many other countries, the US does not have a National standard for education and assessments.

          Each state does their own, like Virginia does and what the Dept of Ed does is require states to give standardized tests like Va's SOLs.

          There are States in the US that rank as high as other countries but we have so many states that rank so much lower, it pulls the whole country down on the rank.

          The Dept of Education is literally a drop in the bucket in terms of national budget and deficit.

  4. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    "Average weekday ridership in the first quarter of 2024 was 507,000, or about 100,000 daily, and the prospect of all those commuters pouring onto the regionโ€™s already-congested roads is too awful to contemplate."

    What does that mean?

    If average weekday ridership is 507,000 … how does that convert to 100,000 per day.

    Are you mistaking "weekday" for "weekly"?

    The real problem for Metro is that average weekday ridership has fallen off a cliff despite several new lines and many new stations being opened. It was falling before Covid, dropped like a rock during Covid and has barely recovered since Covid.

    At the same time (from 2012, when the Metro Ridership Portal linked below starts providing stats) until today – the DC Metropolitan Area has grown from 4,748,000 to 5,545,000.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/23174/washington-dc/population

    Here are the grim statistics: https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Metrorail-Ridership-Summary.cfm

    Metro has a marketing problem that's way ahead of any issue with overhead.

    People just don't want to use the service.

    1. You're absolutely right about my confusing "weekday" with "weekly." A stupid mistake on my part. I will fix immediately.

      1. Rafaelo Avatar

        While you're at it– "Metro officials are projecting annual deficits of a billion dollars annually."

        Redundant again saying it again?

      2. Rafaelo Avatar

        While you're at it– "Metro officials are projecting annual deficits of a billion dollars annually."

        Redundant again saying it again?

        1. Haha! You got me. I definitely need a copy editor.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            We all do, me especially. Maybe AI can be trained to perform that function for us. That would be a positive application for that profoundly costly technology.

  5. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    "Americaโ€™s millionaire population grew 7.3% in 2023 to 7.43 million people, according to a report from Capgemini. Their combined fortunes grew to $26.1 trillion, up 7% from 2022. Capgemini defines millionaires as those with investible assets of $1 million or more not including primary residence, collectibles or consumer durables."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/07/us-millionaire-population.html

    You could take every penny of investable wealth from every millionaire, centimillionaire, and billionaire in the US, apply it all to the national debt ans still not extinguish the debt.

    Maybe the US government could just sell off the assets it owns to pay the national debt.

    Maybe not …

    https://www.cato.org/blog/can-federal-assets-cover-national-debt#:~:text=To%20this%20can%20be%20added,a%20total%20of%20$1.8%20trillion.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Most of the world's developed countries have a "METRO" as well as regional/national rail.

    What we get here is how "terrible" METRO is on the money side.

    So, what would help, I think, would be some context both with respect to the rest of the US and the worlds developed countries.

    Is the DC Metro – the worst in the US or in the world or is it a lot like other METROs?

    If it were true than METRO's fiscal data was similar to say France or Tokyo,, China would we still be opposed to it, essentially opposed to the CONCEPT, i.e. that most METROs in the world cost too dang much
    and the NoVa METRO is yet another example?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      The decline in ridership, despite opening new lines and stations is a concern.

      There were plenty of mistakes made – like building Metro stations in the suburbs without big parking lots.

      The hub and spoke design is also questionable. In 1975, the Washington, DC Metropolitan area revolved around DC. Not so much anymore.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Right. I'm betting such "flaws" can be cited for most of the world's subways or for that matter, most of the world's airports!

        You're a man who travels the world and I'm sure you've seen and maybe used subways in other countries.

        The question in my mind is – is METRO a fiscal disaster or is it pretty much what other subways in the world cost?

        If it is truly a fiscal disaster, I'm all for changes and getting it straight. If not, then I'd ask folks writing articles about fiscal disasters – do a little context also.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I've ridden subways in New York, Paris, London, Tokyo and the "L" in Chicago. I never looked into their fiscal status. But that's a good question – how financially stable are they? Another good question would be whether those other systems are seeing declines in ridership since 2012.

          It's the decline in riders that bothers me the most about the Metro. Why was it much more popular in 2012 than it is today?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            We need this info to really be able to develop and informed opinion. If it turns out that METRO is
            really as bad as it is being portrayed – I’m all for making serious changes. If, OTOH, it’s pretty much
            in line with other METROs in the world, then the authors of these “METRO is Awful” tomes need to,
            at least have enough context to know that they author dislikes METROs as much in concept as fiscal.

            We’ve built VRE – which I believe is even more costly that METRO on a per passenger basis.

            And Virginia is in the middle of adding a 3rd rail between DC and Richmond – and that is going to be costly
            also- ONE bridge , a 3rd bridge over the Potomac will cost 2.3 Billion dollars. Guess who is paying for that!

        2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          Larry,

          It's a financial disaster, so sayeth elected officials and high-level WMATA leaders. I've been in meetings where they have said its cost structure is unsustainable.

          And I rode Metrorail almost every workday for 20 years, even when I had free parking. I like Metrorail. Just as we don't expect our police and fire departments to make money, so too do I think metropolitan transit services cannot make money either. There is a public benefit to have an alternative to driving and a way for visitors to travel easily.

          But it's unreasonable to expect taxpayers to cover $750 million more from a $2.4 billion budget. There are other needs for tax dollars, and limits to how much tax people can pay.

          A major problem with Metrorail is that it was built to bring people to and from Downtown, D.C. A spoke and hub. But now, many more people in the Metro Area work in the suburbs. This means that, unless you live on a rail line that goes from where you live to where you work, you generally must go to Downtown D.C. to connect to a train that goes to the workplace area.

          I did an experiment some time ago. I had an appointment in Bethesda. Normally, a mid-day drive from McLean to Bethesda is about 25-35 minutes. One day, I drove to a nearby station, parked, took an Orange Line train to D.C, transferred to a Red Line train to Bethesda. It took almost 1 and 1/2 hours.

          And, remember how big landowners and developers hijacked the Silver Line, which was to go to Dulles Airport and not through the middle of Tysons in order to gain hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars through transit-oriented development density increases. The line did not meet federal funding guidelines. Senator John Warner shepherded legislation that made it subject to a weaker standard, but it still could not pass the cost-benefit test. When the GW Bush administration turned down funding, politicians and rent seekers bullied the DOT Secretary to surrender and provide funding.

          Meanwhile Governor Tim Kaine, realizing what a mess WMATA was, gave the Dulles Toll Road and its revenues to MWAA, along with the responsibility to build the Silver Line. This meant that Dulles Toll Road users would pay the state's share of the rail line's cost and part of the agreement made the State responsible for most cost overruns. The Commonwealth did later provide some funding.

          This level of corruption is right up with fable government crooks in Chicago and New Jersey.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            OTOH: “Is Japan Metro profitable?
            The railway company carries 5.95 million passengers each day on average over a 195 kilometre network of tracks. It posted a net profit of 24.2 billion yen in the April-September period on sales of 40.4 billion yen.Jan 26, 2024”

            “Hong Kong’s Mass Transit Railway (MTR) is one of the world’s most profitable metro systems. In 2017, the MTR Corporation made a profit of US$2.2 billion, and in 2021, its international railway revenue was HK$22.35 billion ($2.85 billion). The MTR’s “rail plus property” model allows it to be self-financing and quickly implement rail projects.

            This model involves:
            Building new rail lines
            Soliciting private developers to build commercial and residential properties above MTR stations
            Taking a share of the income from sales or rentals
            Managing developments above MTR stations and depots

            but then we have this:

            Why Does Everyone Want Public Transit To Pay For Itself?

            https://www.aquicore.com/blog/everyone-want-public-transit-pay#:~:text=The%20first%20thing%20to%20understand,the%20system's%20ongoing%20operating%20costs.

          2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Wow! Very interesting to say the least. The Japanese are doing the opposite of WMATA. We burden Dulles Toll Road users and taxpayers to enable landowners at rail stations to get massive increases in density.

            Again, transit need not make a profit to be important to the public. But the public should not have to subsidize unsustainable cost structures for transit.

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            The population density in Tokyo has to be experienced to be understood. Land is unbelievably expensive. Parking in central Tokyo can cost up to 1,000 Yen (~$7.00) per hour, or $70 per 10 hour day.

            I've often thought that the uncontrolled sprawl around DC prevents population density from building to a sufficient level to make any subway system effective.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You’ve said before that NoVa does not have the density it needs to be a true city that would benefit from/need subways

          5. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Keep in mind that the Silver Line was built to enrich the Tysons landowners and developers. Virginia's state religion — developer worship.

        3. Teddy007 Avatar

          Subways and public transportation is much more expensive to build in the U.S. compared to other countries due to all of the stakeholders having a say. One can listen to the podcast on the Big Dig in Boston to learn all about why projects costs too much and take too long.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            the new “long bridge” over the Potomac will cost more than 2 billion dollars.

          2. Teddy007 Avatar

            Probably closer to 4 billion. Look at the purple line in Maryland that is years behind schedule and massively over budget.

          3. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Ridership keeps falling and Metro keeps building. Seems like a formula for disaster.

      2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Look at the West Falls Church Station that has reduced parking for denser development. Ridership from that station was down. But if you want more riders who don't want to live in apartments and condos nearby or who don't want to ride the bus to and from Metro, don't you need to provide ample parking?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          The thing I'd agree with is it seems that METRO is not doing it right. THey insist they are but the results don't improve the numbers and they end
          up asking for more and more.

          Your comment on parking makes me think about why they won't have more vs demand for more.
          THe parking could not be free. There would have to be a way to pay for it but if it brings more riders of higher in comes, they might come and even be willing to pay higher fares.

          some kind of re-think about the nature of METRO – that has changed – does need to take place. A strategic plan if you wish.

  7. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Make metro tickets tax deductible. Tie rides to tourism. Marketing is a very big issue. Offer discounts and tax deductions to employers like Amazon.

    1. James Kiser Avatar
      James Kiser

      well at least you won't be carjacked in DC if you ride Metro.

  8. Lefty665 Avatar

    In its first 200 years, into the early 1980s, our country accumulated $1 Trillion in debt. That included all the wars and all the New Deal spending. Reagan tripled that to $3 Trillion. In 2014 the debt was $12 Trillion. In the decade since it has almost tripled. The Dems and the Repubs seem to have struck a bargain. The Dems give the Repubs the tax cuts they want and the Repubs reciprocate by giving the Dems the spending they want. The result is a fatal imbalance with revenues around 18% of GDP and expenditures of around 21%. That is unsustainable.

    We are in the middle of a presidential campaign. Where is the discussion about how to get us back on track to fiscal sanity? It sure ain't coming from either Trump or Harris. Ross Perot made finance a prime issue in 1996 with his charts and graphs. One of the results was that Clinton's last budgets were in surplus and the national debt was on track to be eliminated by 2018.

    Who will address the elephant in the room this year? Will we just continue mindlessly on the present path of tax cuts and spending increases until the whole house of cards collapses?

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      The government is either going to build roads and parking for DC or is going to support public transportation. There is no choice of not spending any money on the issue.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I dunno about the parking but I don't think they're going to build many/if any more major roads and most of the major ones are tolled and a good number of them the price is set according to the congestion level.

        And if the theory is that METRO is for low-income folks so they can find an affordable place to live and use METRO to get to work – that whole concept needs a re-look, because I don't think it is working that way anymore.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar

          Metro is actually two systems . A computer rail line to get people into crowded downtown dc and nearby suburbs where there is no enough parking and a subway system to allow people to move around a crowded downtown without having to move a car. Buses are for the poorest people.

          https://www.behance.net/gallery/10965947/Washington-Metro-Map-to-Scale

      2. Lefty665 Avatar

        Metro's future and who will pay for it is undoubtedly a real issue, but has nothing to do with my comment on our national fiscal debacle. It is decimal dust in our tsunami of debt.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar

          Then why the boilerplate spending is bad rant on a thread about metro? For any large metro area, a government is going to spend on roads, transportation, schools, law enforcement, emergency management, public health, etc. The problem is most of the federal debt and deficit is people wanting government services while not wanting to pay for them.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            You might try actually reading JAB's post, as novel an idea as that might be. Here's the lede to give you a clue:

            <i>"Think of the Washington Metro as a harbinger of the fiscal fate in store for the United States: Itโ€™s just a matter of time before the wheels fall off the subway car."</i>

            and the concluding paragraph:

            <i>"The Washington Metro has had its share of train wrecks. Metaphorically speaking, its finances are a train wreck, too. So are the finances of the federal government. Like it or not, weโ€™re the passengers along for the ride."</i>

            There is considerable more in between about the national debt train wreck that is coming.

            Your comments demonstrate a profound failure to understand JAB's post. While commenting on the fiscal straights of Metro he expressly used that as a metaphor for our failure as a nation to deal with the national debt. Congrats or something.

            My comment was not boilerplate. It was directly responsive to JAB's post. It included historical context for our massive and accelerating national debt. $1T in our first 200 hundred years. $12T in the next 30 years. $35T in the following decade. That curve is headed right straight up. It is unsustainable.

            Your last sentence also profoundly misstates the issue. It is not "people" wanting services without paying for them, it is the Repubs and Dems scratching each other's backs by cutting taxes and increasing spending. A pox on both their houses. Or as JAB framed it: <i>"Like it or not, weโ€™re the passengers along for the ride."</i>

            As I said, where is Ross Perot when we need him to put the topic of taxes and spending front and center in the presidential campaign now underway?

          2. Teddy007 Avatar

            But a government is going to spend money on transportation no matter what. Or at the very least, do a public-private partnership to build toll roads. However, the idea that DC or any other city should not be spending money on transportation is insane. And the question is not spending, it is the voters refusal to pay for the government that they demand. If one wants to reduce spending in the long run, raise taxes in the short and then match spending cuts with tax cuts.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar

            You're still clueless about the post.

          4. Teddy007 Avatar

            Yes, the writer does not like paying taxes and says that all of this spending willl eventually have to end. Of course, such writers never list the specifics of the $1.7 trillion that would need to be cut to balance the federal budget. They just latch on to one form of spending and say that it can be ended without doing a second of policy analysis to think about what would have to happen. And last, what those “spending is bad” writers will never discuss is raising taxes. The would rather eliminate Medicare and default on the national debt before raising taxes.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar

            Clueless at greater length.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            conservative strategy: cut taxes, blame the resulting deficit on Dem spending….

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6770cd02f24f4914bf5be69c638427788077c1dbd1fb2ffb0f8f94560ea0e052.png

          7. Teddy007 Avatar

            The Trump Administration was just a continuation of the economic policies of the Obama Administration with an unfunded tax cut and covid-19. If one looks at the monthly economic numbers, there is no way to spot any real effects of the tax cuts.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You don’t think the Trump tax cuts changed much?

          9. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Take out Covid and that line looks pretty straight from the start of Obama to the end of Trump. Obama went from $10T to $20T and Trump, absent Covid, would have gone from $20T to $25T.

            The problem is that Biden started at $28T and managed to get to $35T in 3 years.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It took Congress to do it.

            The Trump tax cuts do not pay for themselves because they cut taxes but not spending…

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            โ€œand Trump, absent Covid, would have gone from $20T to $25Tโ€

            A 25% increaseโ€ฆ

            โ€œBiden started at $28T and managed to get to $35T in 3 yearsโ€ฆโ€

            A 25% increaseโ€ฆ which would have been significantly less โ€œabsent Covidโ€ โ€ฆ?

            ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

          12. Lefty665 Avatar

            Starting with Duhbya the curve has been getting steeper and is currently going pretty much straight up. That is unsustainable, and you are certainly correct, it has happened under both parties.

            My observation that the parties are working hand in glove, I'll give you your tax cuts and you give me my spending increases certainly fits the data.

            Regardless of cause, our path is unsustainable.

  9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    โ€œMaybe itโ€™s time to think the unthinkable and let Metro go belly up.โ€

    Tell you what, when we stop shipping the billions of tax dollars annually from Northern Virginia to rural Virginia, we can talk about not supporting Metro. Sound like a deal?

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      There is no way places like the Pentagon can function without metro along with HOT lanes.

    2. Randy Huffman Avatar
      Randy Huffman

      Not sure what your talking about with respect to shipping Billions from rural VA to NOVA. But in my view, NOVA needs rural VA more than rural VA needs NOVA.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        money-wise?

  10. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    The Fed Reserve Bank prints money and lends it to the government. There is no loss to the Fed if the government defaults on such loans. The government will continue to borrow from the Fed to pay for the excessive expenditures. Metro will get its funds and inflation will impoverish the middle class.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      THe only feasible/reasonable way out is higher taxes and spending cuts until we pay off the debt.

      But our currency is the gold standard and so highly sought after that they almost have to pay us to "protect" their money!

      As bad as we are, and we are, we pale in comparison to many other countries.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Spending cuts. "The Stat," National Review, Sept. 2024, p. 12.

        "$208 billionโ€”how much money the federal government could save by implementing recommendations the Government Accountability Office (GAO) has already made. The GAO makes about 1,200 recommendations per year about how to improve government services. Agencies and Congress are not required to make the suggested changes. A July report from the GAO found that 5,480 recommendations remain unenacted. Most arenโ€™t about saving money, but 4 percent of them could save between $106 billion and $208 billion over the ten-year budget window. The bulk of those savings would come from just one recommendation: equalizing payment rates between places of service for Medicare recipients. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that this would save $141 billion over ten years. The GAO also projects billions in savings if the IRS recaptures Covid tax credits improperly distributed to employers and, in conjunction with the Office of Management and Budget, establishes performance reviews for tax expenditures. Other recommendations that would save money include having the Department of Education verify borrowersโ€™ incomes when granting student loans, reauthorizing a broadband network for first responders, clarifying the Department of Energyโ€™s responsibilities on nuclear-waste disposal, and setting up a permanent office to coordinate agency efforts to recover improper payments. Balancing the budget will be hard, and it will require actual spending cuts. But $208 billion in savings would be a good start, and Congress is making the job harder than it has to be by ignoring these recommendations that are sitting on the shelf. "
        by Dominic Pino

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          208 billion is not chump change, but it comes nowhere near the actual deficit. And I’d agree to more cuts.
          Like we are basically giving away Medicare to people for bargain basement prices. It’s already means-tested but they need more. But at the end of the day, you won’t be able to get to a balance budget on cuts alone
          unless draconian cuts are made to health care and DOD. THe two comprise much of the total spending.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar

      The Treasury is the big player. That's why they call the notes sold to finance our deficits T bills, bonds and notes.

      Fed open market operations are known as quantitative easing or quantitative tightening depending on whether it is buying or selling treasuries from the private sector. Current policy is quantitative tightening because it is selling from its inventory and taking money out of the private sector.

      It is currently not quite as restrictive as it has been out of concern that taking too much money out of the private sector could cause liquidity problems if there is not enough money in circulation. But make no mistake, the Fed is currently taking money out of the economy, not adding to it.

    3. Teddy007 Avatar

      One needs to look up the terms private held government debt and publicly held. Over $26 trillion in government debt is held in private hand and the government pays interest on that debt. That debt is almost $1 trillion dollars a year.

      Also, the treasury prints money and the total amount of money that is in currency is less than $3 trillion. The fed creates money with bookkeeping entries by loaning money to banks.

  11. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Part of the DC Metro ridership problem is the Federal gov't complacency with worker preference to work from home post-COVID. That is playing havoc with past and present planning. I don't know if our wonderful HOT3 car pool system ("slugging") has survived. We built the Silver Line at Virginia's insistence, but it is still needed? Most past investment expansion plans going ahead (eg; New train bridge to DC) as if COVID did not change the situation, but it did. In any case, extra Fed dollars to DC Metro to compensate VA, MD. DC for the Fed decisions to allow remote work may be warranted.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Maybe. But average weekday entrances dropped by 100,000 per day from 2012 through 2019.

      https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/ridership-portal/Metrorail-Ridership-Summary.cfm

  12. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    Where is J Ross Perot when we need him?

  13. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    I wonder what Hamilton and Gallatin would have to say about our debt debacle. I think Gallatin was ultimately correct and we sure could use a guy like that right now.
    https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_views-of-the-public-debt_gallatin-albert_1800/mode/2up
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d984e27996cb4f692e6c8945e1ea9687021268ec3f216f03eec8582239bc6107.jpg

  14. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Local people warned them in the beginning that this would but the pols wouldn't listen because the unions wanted their money and pols wanted their donations. And of course Uncle Sam would foot the cost. LOL

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      Uncle Sam was going to foot the bill whether the infrastructure was trains or more roads. However, the public sector has to provide all of the parking lots and parking builds if one does not want to use trains or buses.

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