Equal Time: American Federation of Teachers on Teacher Retention and Discipline in Schools
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27 responses to “Equal Time: American Federation of Teachers on Teacher Retention and Discipline in Schools”
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none of this deals with the student in the classroom, overturning desks, threatening the teacher, not doing their work. what is the teacher to do when the kid is in her face (doesn’t matter race, all colors can do this and have done it) and says you can’t make me or just plain rushes up and hits the teacher or wipes everything off the desk? goes around upturning trash cans. knocking things off other student desks? Who is IMMEDIATELY going to come in and stop it..
I was an aide in Hampton schools years ago, 1st grade class and this little boy comes in starts turning over trash cans, throwing chalk, knocking stuff off the desk. they put up with this for half an hour. it was after that principal finally came in and was finally able to get hold of the mother after another half hour. Mother came and got him out. Meanwhile the other kids were terrified, i was scared. I asked the teacher why the principal didn’t immediately come and take him out of the classroom. Well either the year before or in the fall, they did something mom didn’t like and she called/sued the school board. they were told they couldn’t discipline this child unless the mom was there. and this was 1st Grade. I can only imagine the terror this child became if someone didn’t get thru to him. mom certainly wasn’t.who wouldn’t throw a fit to be able to go home and play video games all day and yes I believe that’s what he did as he mentioned it several times.
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I agree with you completely. The are utterly unwilling to address bad behavior outside their PBIS solution. The old progressive solution.If it doesn’t work, throw more money at it. If that doesn’t work, expand it.
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so is this the schools fault or the legislators or the parents? Looks like to me the schools hands are tied. It’s not really “progressives” giving the kid a pass.
and would this work any differently in an alternative voucher school?
I’d be curious to hear from the pro-voucher-school folks on how this would work for a first grade kid.
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I give Sherlock credit for reading the other side and presenting it here. Thank You.
It’s, if nothing else, comprehensive. It shows that they acknowledge the problem and offer their own solutions.
Basically, they want to improve the current public school system.
But I have two questions for Sherlock and others who don’t agree the teacher groups proposals.
1. – what should be the “norm” or “standard” for discipline issues , conduct – one that acknowledges that you can’t stop all of it … some of it is acceptable or perhaps some feel no, it’s zero-tolerance. You mess up even a little and out you go to the alternative school.
2. – if the “solution” is voucher schools – isn’t that a huge cost also? A whole second set of schools ?
and would Voucher schools also have to have policies for discipline and how does that work? Will it be zero tolerance or will it too have some standard that allows some level of bad conduct before a kid is booted?
So have we defined the DIFFERENCE between what is going on right now that is deemed wholly unacceptable and some standard that is stricter and tolerates much less of what is going on now?
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The first part of this is largely word for word for what JAB and Sherlock have written here but then the second part will not likely not find agreement:
“Unfortunately, negative behaviors exist in many schools, leaving educators and students fearful for their safety.52 School discipline policies and practices often lead to the disruption of learning opportunities not just for those involved but for others in the classroom or building. Students who engage in negative behavior may be removed from class or school and are not able to keep pace with their peers, often leading to more negative behaviors.
Suspensions lead to dropouts, with students of color far more likely to receive harsher punishments like suspension than their white peers for similar offenses. In some cases, the juvenile justice system becomes involved, leaving students to carry a stigma of involvement with the legal system and an uphill climb to get out.
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Three problems at a minimum:
– first the disembodied term “negative behaviors exist”. This is an avoidance of the fact that there is personal agency involved, which would state “some kids behave negatively.” Of the authors admitted personal agency, they would have to deal with it.
– Deals compassionately with only the perpetrators. Does not address the direct victims and the chaotic environment that keeps other kids from learning.
– Acknowledges kids “of color” are disproportionately the perpetrators. Does not address the fact than in urban schools, students “of color” are also the primary victims including those whose learning environment is disrupted.-
They don’t say anything about the color of the perpetrator. They say that kids of color are discriminated against and treated more harshly than their white peers for similar offenses. Two different things.
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yep.. there are some chasms here.
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Treated differently in disciplinary proceedings, Eric, with more POC kids than white kids being suspended and expelled. That means perpetrator.
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“..with students of color far more likely to receive harsher punishments like suspension than their white peers for similar offenses similar offenses…”
This is not about the number of charges against POC, it is about discrimination in punishments. They face the same systemic racism their parents have faced in the criminal justice system. If this is true, it would seem to be a big deal… but, no, it does not acknowledge that “kids “of color” are disproportionately the perpetrators”. That may be true but the quote provided takes no position there.
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Pretty sure he (JAB and JS) understands but won’t admit it….
it’s like .. see-no-evil…
and it totally screws up their conservative belief system…that it’s the “fault” of the race…
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thought maybe I would do a site-wide search at VDOE for the phrase: ” personal agency”…. to see what they have to say about it….
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“Dallas ISD’s proposed 2022-2023 budget includes an increase in the starting salaries for teachers who are new to the district in addition to thousands of dollars in hiring incentives. If the budget is approved, novice teachers who are new to the district would earn a starting salary of $60,000. — May 2022”
They’re advertising using billboards in Little Rock where salary is $36,000. DISD is waiving the requirements for a teaching certificate. 3.5% unemployment.
Figure it out, Lamont.
Regarding the proposal to fund community schools that “align city and county resources to assist with integrating mental and physical health services and programs for students and staff to make accessing such resources easier”…
Richmond City Public Schools already has a nonprofit program that does that, called, unsurprisingly, “Communities in Schools.” Here’s what they program says about itself:
Working in 2,900 schools across 26 states and the District of Columbia, our evidence-based model connects students to caring adults and community resources to transform how they see and experience the world around them. By surrounding them with a network of trust they can turn to no matter where they are in their journey, we empower students to confront and overcome personal challenges and structural barriers—so they can take charge of the future they want for themselves, their communities and each other.
I wrote a favorable profile about the initiative 10 or so years ago. The theory of providing community “wrap-around” services to school kids seemed to make sense. Ten years is long enough time to evaluate whether the idea actually works. Sadly, I don’t think we can trust Communities In Schools to conduct an honest evaluation of itself any more than we can trust any organization to do so. But someone should do it.
Assuming the program has shown positive results, whom do we trust to scale up the program? An experienced nonprofit or the school systems?
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Thanks, Jim. Helpful background. AFT is looking for a massive infusion of federal dollars. I have no idea, as I wrote, whether the federal program will scale. The state and local resources they wish to expand cannot recruit enough staff now.
The program run by the non-profit is much smaller and less ambitious. It is not clear it will successfully transition into a massive nationwide federal/state program.
Saw this today. Appropriate given the posted topic but there’s obviously been a horrific event that catalyzed action here.
I’ll leave it to others who are more versed on the topic to weigh in,
WTOP: Loudoun Co. School Board considers new discipline consequences for students.
https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2022/08/loudoun-co-school-board-considers-new-discipline-consequences-for-students/
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He horrific event was the “transgender” student, actually a male wearing a skirt, who raped a girl on the girl’s bathroom at one high school, got transferred to another and raped a second girl there. The old saying about a conservative being a liberal who got mugged is true at LCPS. They are shutting the barn door.
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No question that LCPS handled this wrong but still unlikely that Loudoun County turns into a bastion of Conservatism as a resut!
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“Abandon All Scruples Ye Who Enter Here”
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tl/dr the government edu cartel want more control of your children to destroy the family. Kids don’t need to do activities or free play at home. They will be uninterrupted time with your developing children’s minds.
If you buy this Marxist bs from the “only when it’s safe” camp, I have a bridge to sell you.
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re: ” the government edu cartel want more control of your children to destroy the family. ”
every single developed country on the planet does public education…
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is your issue with public education in general or the US version?
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That doesn’t address my claim, but ok yes the government has an interest in controlling the population.
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I have come to the conclusion that the internet is poisoning America. Oh no, no, not with all the political claptrap, but with food.
This weekend we got together with friends and the spousal unit decided she would make a scratch dessert. She picked an orange-ginger carrot cake off some site with 1000sbof 5-star reviews. She murmured some grumbles about the ingredients, but made it anyway.
FIVE CUPS OF SUGAR! In the cake it had one cup of white, and one cup of brown sugar and a full cup of oil. The icing had three – count ’em – THREE cups of confectioners’ sugar.
Fortunately, our aged and tested tastebuds prevented any of us from diabetic shock.
America WAKE UP! Archer Daniels Midland will kill you! If the oxycodone pushers don’t kill you then the sugar pushers will.
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One time I ordered iced tea in a South Carolina restaurant.
Momentarily forgetting where I was, I neglected to specify unsweetened tea. The stuff the waitress brought to my table was so sickly sweet it literally made my teeth hurt.Reading that cake recipe caused a flashback to that day…
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I was 20 years old before having my first “sweet tea”. Driving home from a trip to NOLA that only got as far as Mississippi. Followed a hurricane all the way from Montgomery and caught it in Charlotte. Time for dinner anyway, and stopped at a roadside inn. It would have killed a hummingbird instantly.
But my funniest meal was on Jamestown Island in Rhode Island. Ordered eggs, bacon and grits. Eggs, bacon, and pancakes showed up. Waitress said, “Sorry about the pancakes but the “idiot” thinks that’s grits.”
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