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James A. Bacon


 

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Dueling Gurus

 

Jeremy Siegel recommends investing in stocks for the long run. Robert Shiller warns of major risks in the economy. Who to believe? It largely depends on your investment time horizon.


 

Jeremy Siegel and Robert Shiller first met standing in registration line at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The “si” in Siegel’s name and “sh” in Shiller’s made them alphabetical neighbors.

 

As fate would have it, both men became Ivy League professors nationally renowned for books about the stock market. Siegel, who teaches finance at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School, penned Stocks for the Long Run, which documented how stocks have consistently out-performed other classes of investments such as bonds, T-bills, gold and the dollar over the past 200 years. Shiller, who teaches economics at Yale, coined the term “irrational exuberance” in his book of the same name predicting the demise of the technology stock bubble of the late 1990s.

 

Saturday night at the Richmond Forum, the Richmond region’s leading speaker series, the two old friends reunited to share perspectives on their investment outlooks as the U.S. business cycle enters a new round of expansion. True to form, Siegel praised stocks as a great long-term investment, although he conceded that technology stocks are looking pricey right now. And Shiller, ever the bear, emphasized the vulnerabilities in the economic recovery in explaining why he currently prefers U.S. savings bonds over stocks.

 

After hearing the articulate and erudite presentations of both men, moderator Geoffrey Colvin, an editor and columnist for Fortune magazine, expressed the sentiments of many in the audience by declaring, “You’re both right!”

 

How can they both be right? The key, of course, is that Siegel and Shiller have different time horizons. Looking 20 to 30 years out, Siegel make a persuasive case. Focusing on the next two or three years, there’s a high likelihood that Shiller is correct.

 

Midway through the Forum presentations, it struck me that the Siegel-Shiller debate over investment strategy is paralleled here in Virginia in the wrangling over Gov. Mark R. Warner’s budget and tax plan. The anti-tax forces led by House Speaker William Howell emphasize a long-term perspective. Keeping Virginia taxes low will improve the state’s economic performance, which over the long-term will expand the tax base and bring in more revenue than we would if we raised taxes. The evidence for their view, to my mind, is strong and persuasive.

 

Gov. Warner, by contrast, is focused upon the here and now: most immediately upon the necessity of preserving Virginia’s fiscal integrity and AAA bond rating. Although the economy at the moment is expanding faster than the assumptions underpinning his budget forecasts, many risks – the very same risks that Shiller talks about – could throw that growth off track. Building a budget around overly optimistic economic forecasts could bring another round of spending cuts and perhaps even lead to a downgrade of the state’s credit rating.

 

(I am probably the only person in the audience seized by such thoughts. Anyone with any sense was trying to figure out how to maximize performance of their investment portfolios. But, obsessed as I am with Virginia’s fiscal and economic health, I seeking guidance for decision making in the Commonwealth anywhere I can get it.)

 

Of the two gentlemen, Siegel was the most fun to listen to: Everyone likes the thought of getting rich. An ebullient speaker, he lays out an optimistic case for stocks. One dollar invested in stocks back in 1801 would be worth an inflation-adjusted $597,000 today, assuming dividends were reinvested and no taxes were paid. A dollar invested in bonds would be worth $1,072 and T-bills $301. Gold bugs take heed: A dollar invested in gold, adjusted for inflation, would be worth a mere $1.37 today. And a dollar invested in dollars -- U.S. currency -- would be worth a nickel and two pennies.

 

Over the 200-year period, despite the vicissitudes of war, financial panics and depressions, stocks have averaged an after-inflation return of 6.8 percent annually. That considerably outperforms bonds, Siegel said, which yielded a 3.5 percent annual return.

 

Admittedly, few investors have a 200-year time horizon. And Siegel concedes that returns can be much more volatile over shorter periods of time. But over any 10-year period, stocks have out-performed bonds 82 percent of the time. Over any 30-year period, stocks have always out-performed bonds.

 

Siegel contends that stocks are “fairly” priced at current levels, neither unreasonably high nor low, despite the fact that the S&P 500 market multiple is 24.6 times earnings, considerably higher than the historical average of 15 times earnings. Siegel insists that the financial economy has undergone profound changes that make the higher multiples justified. The stock market is far more liquid in the 21st century than it was in the 19th century: Thanks to information technology, which lowers transaction costs of getting in and out of an investment, and to the introduction of mutual funds, which provide inexpensive portfolio diversification, much of the risk has been taken out of stock ownership. Therefore, investors don’t demand the same risk premium they did a century ago, which means they’re willing to pay more for a dollar’s worth of earnings.

 

Siegel suggests that a price-earnings ratio of 20/1 to 22/1 is perfectly reasonable. Based on a composite earnings estimate of $55 for the S&P, that implies a fair market value for the S&P 500 of 1,000 to 1,250. The S&P now stands around 1,140.

 

Siegel’s analysis assumes that investors are, by and large, rational. When it comes to pricing individual stocks, suggests Shiller, they may be. But there are a lot of “wiggles” in the stock market averages that cannot be explained by earnings and interest rates. Pyschology is a major driver of stock prices, and investors are subject to irrational exuberance.

 

Apparently, the dot.com crash quelled investor exuberance only temporarily. The latest figures, says Shiller, show that investor confidence has hit another all-time high – equalling the levels of the 2000 Internet mania. If that confidence collapses, so do stock prices.

 

What could go wrong? Many, many things, according to Shiller.

 

  • Savings. The U.S. savings rate has reached an all-time low. As recently as the 1960s, Americans saved eight percent of their incomes. Today, they’re saving about one percent. Household debt burden is growing rapidly. An increasing number of people, in over their heads, are declaring bankruptcy. How long, Shiller asks, can that continue?

  • Interest rates. The decline in interest rates over the past 20 years has made the debt burden relatively manageable. Even though the debt is higher, lower interest rates mean that interest payments have not increased significantly. What happens when interest rates head back up? Suddenly, the debt burden could become unbearable.  

  • Jobs. The U.S. economy has shed three million jobs over the past three years, some to dramatic gains in productivity, some to the out-sourcing of jobs overseas. Even with the economy expanding rapidly, U.S. job creation remains essentially flat. Could continued job losses impact investor psychology?

  • The twin deficits. The U.S. is running a balance of payments deficit of more than $500 billion a year. Meanwhile, the federal government is running a deficit approaching $600 billion. At what point do foreigners stop funding these monstrous imbalances?

  • Home prices. Booming home prices have supported consumer balance sheets and propped up consumer spending. What happens if home prices drop?

Shiller’s discussion on the housing bubble are particularly apropos to readers of Bacon’s Rebellion, which highlighted this very concern in a recent column, “The Housing Bubble” (November 17, 2003).

 

Lower mortgage rates may have helped make sky-high prices a tad more affordable, but local markets for housing vary so widely across the country – some markets booming, others stagnant – that something else must be going on. Shiller thinks we’re experiencing another bubble psychology.

 

As investors bailed out of stocks when the dot.com bubble burst, many of them piled into real estate. Prices increased as a result, spurring speculative fervor in the housing market. People bid prices even higher in the expectation that they would continue rising. California, which has seen the largest price increases in the country, is particularly vulnerable to a setback, Shiller says. One million dollars for a two-bedroom house in Los Angeles is simply unsustainable. “The whole mentality can change, and the market can drop very suddenly.”

 

If it’s any consolation, housing price increases in Virginia have been moderate, Shiller says. Prices have largely tracked the inflation since 1975, though they have seen an up-tick since 2000. Judging by his overall figures, the Commonwealth has seen little of the speculative excess of states like California, Colorado or New York, he said. “I wouldn’t worry too much here in Virginia.”

 

(What Shiller’s figures don’t adumbrate is the two-tier housing market in Virginia. Housing prices in Northern Virginia, part of the larger Washington metropolitan region, have shown signs of speculative excess. Although average housing prices statewide may not be out of line, there could be localized distress in Northern Virginia, the state’s economic engine.)

 

Shiller doesn’t like stocks right now. Fearing an up-turn in interest rates, he’s not happy with bonds either. And he’s downright bearish on real estate. “There are good times to be an investor, and some times when it’s not so good to be an investor,” he says. “This is one of those times when it’s not so good to be an investor.”

 

Where to put your money? Consider investing in overseas markets. But his favorite is inflation-indexed savings bonds. They’re not sexy -- the inflation-adjusted yield is only two percent -- but they’re really safe! And they’re redeemable with only a small penalty when you decide it’s time to get back into the stock market.

 

That’s all fine and good for investors, but what does it mean for readers of Bacon’s Rebellion fixated, like myself, on the implications for Virginia governance? Neither Siegel nor Shiller had anything to say on the subject.

 

Here are my thoughts, for what they’re worth. Just as individuals should invest for the long term, Virginia needs to govern for the long term. That means creating a business climate conducive to long-term growth and expansion of the tax base. To my mind, that means keeping taxes as low as possible, consistent with providing the core services of the state. The connection between lower taxes and higher economic growth is indisputable. By contrast, the connection between “investing” more on public schools/roads and economic growth is theoretical.

 

But short term risks cannot be ignored. Virginia must maintain its AAA bond status. A downgrade would raise borrowing costs, making less money available for supporting state programs, and would tarnish Virginia’s image as a superbly well run state, a tremendous advantage in recruiting new business and investment.

 

I have no quarrel with where Gov. Warner wants to increase spending – education primarily. But I’d suggest that the best way to mitigate the risk of a slowdown in the national economy, with its negative implications for state revenues, is not to raise taxes and accelerate spending. It’s to increase spending to the rate of revenue growth. Virginia’s economy has consistently out-performed the national average. As the tax base expands, we’ll be able to afford to spend more in the long run.

 

-- January 19, 2004

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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