Digging Deeper into Vaccine Hesitancy

Correlation between COVID-19 case rate and percentage of population vaccinated in Virginia localities. Source: “Analysis of COVID-19 in Virginia July 21th, 2021.

by James A. Bacon

There has been a lot of discussion about the causes of vaccine hesitancy: Trump-voting evangelicals are idiots, Blacks are still scarred by the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, social media is spewing disinformation, people have lost faith in the “experts,” etc. Here’s a clue: People are most influenced by their interactions with the people around them.

The graph above, compiled by the Virginia Biocomplexity Institute (VBI), shows the correlation between the incidence of COVID-19 in a locality around July 20 and the percentage of the population that had been vaccinated. In its latest update, VBI observes that there is “some” correlation between vaccination rates and the rate of spread. But if you eyeball the graph, you can see that the correlation is a weak one.

In fact, I’d go a step further. For localities with a vaccination rate of 44% or lower, the correlation appears to be non-existent. Only when the vaccination rate hits 45% to 46% does a high rate of vaccinations in Virginia seem to be associated with a lower rate of transmission. (With the spread of the Delta variant, the dynamics might change. More up-to-date figures might tell a different story.)

VBI publishes other graphs based upon polling data. The survey asks respondents how likely they are to get vaccinated, and asks them to describe their reasons for hesitancy. Summarizes the report:

  • Top reasons for hesitancy: side effects, distrust (increasing),
    unnecessary (increasing)
  • More likely to take if recommended by: doctors and friends
  • Reasons unnecessary: Not serious, not high risk, or other

VBI also breaks down trend lines for vaccine hesitancy (red and orange) by six geographic regions.

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Remarkably, vaccine hesitancy since April 2021 has increased in Northern, Central, and Eastern Virginia, which encompass Virginia’s three largest metropolitan areas. Hesitancy is not just a rural phenomenon.

Distrust. It would be interesting to find out why mistrust is increasing in the face of steady government messaging, media messaging, and social media censorship in favor of vaccinations. I would speculate that distrust in government institutions and the media have engendered massive skepticism about the willingness of those institutions to honestly interpret and act upon the “science.” I’m not saying the skepticism is justified — just that it exists. This reasoning should be seen in light of the larger rebellion against the “elites” and “experts” that Bacon’s Rebellion has been exploring in recent posts.

Unnecessary. Another other major factor cited is the belief that vaccinations are unnecessary. VBI should probe deeper. There are different rationales for saying vaccinations are unnecessary. One is that 700,000 or more Virginians have been exposed to COVID-19 and, as a result, have acquired natural resistance. How strong that resistance is compared to the vaccines and how long it will last are open scientific questions. But if you have survived the virus, it is reasonable to think you have added resistance.

Another explanation is that some Virginians are free-riding on the vaccinations of others. If half the population is vaccinated and other 20% are survivors, their thinking might go, we’re getting close to herd immunity. Why should I bother then?

Low risk. Finally, many Virginians — particularly young, healthy ones — perceive themselves as low risks for hospitalization even if they catch the virus. Again, they might calculate, why bother?

Circling back to the graph atop this post, we might suggest that many Virginians live in localities (44% or lower vaccination rates) where they see no correlation between vaccination levels and the incidence of the disease — because there is no correlation. But the evidence looks strong that localities that exceed the 44% vaccination rate do experience lower COVID spread. From a public health perspective, if we get those vaccination rates higher, the spread slows and everyone benefits.

The trick is persuading the hard-core anti-vaxxers. We will not do it by telling them they are stupid, ignorant and selfish. We have to appeal to their self-interest. The VPI survey data says that people trust their doctors and friends. If we somehow manage to convert the anti-vaxxers, that’s how we reach them.

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54 responses to “Digging Deeper into Vaccine Hesitancy”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “VBI publishes other graphs based upon polling data. The survey asks respondents how likely they are to get vaccinated, and asks them to describe their reasons for hesitancy.”

    “Remarkably, vaccine hesitancy since April 2021 has increased…”

    Not really if we are looking at a percentage of the unvaccinated. Assuming over the time studied the pool of unvaccinated has shrunk, it stands to reason that the remaining unvaccinated are less likely to go for the vaccine going forward.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      That’s what I thought also. Something doesn’t make sense.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner


      Of course, what it does show is attitudes are rock hard.

    3. Good point, Eric. I hadn’t considered that.

    4. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      There’s also an incredible misunderstanding on how vaccines work in general among the unvaccinated. Being reported are the number of unvaccinated who, as they are being admitted to the hospital, are dumbfounded that they just can’t be vaccinated.

      1. If we would only have a drug that works….oh wait, we do. Ivermectin works (with no major side effects like deaths and Bell’s palsy), but if we said that, big pharma would lose their EUA.

  2. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    VDH now reports average daily vaccinations (looking back 7 days) up to about 13,500. Had dropped down toward 11,000, so it’s up — probably mainly start of school related. Wave Four will peak, as did the first three. Play with your dots all you want, bottom line is the higher the vaccination rate, the less transmission in a locality.

    And a sixth grader can see how you or somebody is distorting those sand charts. In April X number of unvaccinated said they were going to do it, they since have, and presto, that percentage is lower months later. Of course it is shrinking. They got the shots! Only unvaccinated people are in the poll. And the dark blue section will shrink faster in the regions where vaccination is stronger (NoVA.)

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I think JAB … LIKEs to go down rabbit holes! good gawd!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I don’t think he ever emerged from the Conservative warren in which he was born.

  3. DJRippert Avatar

    I have been vaccinated. Got my shots as soon as they were available to me.

    “I would speculate that distrust in government institutions and the media have engendered massive skepticism about the willingness of those institutions to honestly interpret and act upon the “science.” I’m not saying the skepticism is justified — just that it exists.”

    The skepticism is certainly justified.

    Remember the COVID-19 origin debate? The virus first emerged in the only city in China with a level 4 virology lab but the real origin was a wet market next door to the lab selling bats to eat.

    Now, most educated people know that the Chinese Communist Party (Chi-Coms) are pathological liars. If they are speaking they are lying unless the truth is somehow more useful to them than lies. If they are breathing they are thinking of the next lies they will tell. You can’t believe their economic reporting, you can’t believe their retelling of history. You can’t believe anything they say. When it comes to the Chi-Coms believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see.

    So, way back in Feb, 2020 what did a bunch of so-called scientists do? They published a letter stating that, “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. Scientists from multiple countries have published and analysed genomes of the causative agent, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2),1 and they overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife …”.

    Sixteen months later and guess what? Maybe the virus did originate from the only lab in China certified to do Coronavirus research rather than a Kentucky Fried Bats outlet.

    So, why did those scientists jump the gun insisting that the virus didn’t come from a virology lab?

    Because they sensed a possible threat to their funding if the worst pandemic in a century came from a lab. Self-centered greed drove that letter, not serious scientific inquiry. Scientists pretending to be scientific. Liberals insisting that we follow the science (actually it would be much more honest for them to say “follow the government’s scientists”).

    Why do people have vaccine hesitancy? Because they are rightly skeptical of greedy scientists and the even more greedy politicians who insist that we “follow the science”.

    it was obviously way too early to say that COVID-19 came from wildlife in Feb, 2020. We still don’t know the origin of the virus. But that didn’t stop a bunch of research grant huffing”scientists” from declaring wildlife as the source.

    Could the vaccines have some issues that were intentionally downplayed or covered up? Sure could.

    The Tuskege Experiment? A government run exercise in applied racism performed by “scientists” from the US Public Health Service and the centers for Disease Control. The “study” was conducted from 1932 to 1972. Started at the dawn of the Roosevelt Administration and ended by the Nixon Administration. And guess who was a US Government doctor during the last 4 years of that experiment? The liberals God-King … Anthony Fauci.

    Just follow the government science. What could possibly go wrong? Ask the men who were experimented on in Tuskege. Ask Dr Fauci to show us the letters he wrote objecting to his employer’s experiments in Tuskege.

    The Chinese government has a long history of lying. Our government has a long history of doing stupid things in the name of “science”. Eugenics, anybody? Scientists have a long history of trampling the truth in the name of funding.


    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      did the controversy over where and how the virus got started have any effect on most folks who did get vaccinated?

      Why would it matter where it came from if you know it’s lose and you are at risk and a vaccine is available?

      How do folks who think like that DIFFER from those who decide to not trust the vaccine because of controversy, even lies about it’s origin?

      Not going to trust the govt nor science? Not those that got vaccinated.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        No, the origin controversy did not directly affect vaccinations.

        It does, however, make one skeptical of so-called science so often peddled by government.

        Throughout history scientists have pushed theories that helped them get (or stay) funded.

        In other words, just because a group of scientists say something doesn’t mean they lack ulterior motives for saying what they say.

        Could BigPharma and BigGovernment have pushed these vaccines out too early? BigGov wanted to be the savior and BigPharma wanted the money.

        Are the skeptics of the vaccinations obviously wrong?


        Do I agree with them?

        Like I said, I got the vax as soon as I could.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Sounds very much conspiratorial. Not surprised. ” I don’t trust Govt or Science but I got the vaccine anyhow” ?

          If they developed Polio vaccine or smallpox today, you guys would be playing the same game.. I suspect.

          The “evil” govt and science.. yep.. that’s why we prefer bloggers and “smart people” instead – on a worldwide basis no less. All govt and ALL science is not to be trusted!

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            I take each situation separately. The risks of the virus (to me) were greater than the risks of the vaccine (to me).

            Please don’t be confused. “I don’t trust the government’s science” is a lot different than “I don’t trust science.”

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            The “Government Science” – on a worldwide basis?

            Public Health is “govt science”.

            It’s embedded in the Constitution and Law also.

            The CDC gets it’s science from non-govt scientists… the difference is that they look for replication of studies from the private sector to reach some level of consensus – and that can and does change as more studies are done.

            That’s HOW the CDC evolved on COVID when the advent of the Delta Variant occurred.

            Who do you expect besides the CDC and it’s equivalent counterparts in other countries to find out about how COVID is evolving and new variants emerging?

            Do you think there are individual scientists that do that and you trust them more than the CDC?

            Govt Science is a reflection of private sector science.

            What “science” is this FOOL in Florida relying on as he dismisses the CDC?

            Do you know?

  4. Deborah Hommer Avatar
    Deborah Hommer

    It’s really simple. Many people have heeded the warnings of the inventor of mRNA, a former VP of Pfizer, a viral immunologist Byram Bridle, and have been monitoring the more adverse events/deaths from this jab than the past 30 years.

    In addition to the glaring fact that this is SARS-CoV-2. Pay attention the last digit is 2. What does that mean? It means SARS-CoV-1 was in 2003. And we didn’t do all this lockdown, mask bs. And you have a 99.9x% chance of survival. Something stinks.

    Then a whistleblower has come forward stating there’s been 45,000 deaths attributed to the jab.

    There are spike proteins in the jab. “We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario. “We thought the spike protein was a great target antigen, we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin.” https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/covid-vaccine-spike-protein-travels-from-injection-site-organ-damage/

    Dr. Robert Malone invented the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology. He has grave concerns about the lack of transparency of side effects, censoring of discussion and the lack of informed consent that these bring. https://www.midlandscbd.com/articles/warning-physician-who-invented-mrna-shot-speaks-out

    Dr. Michael Yeadon, former vp of Pfizer, has been warning against the vaccine. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-your-government-is-lying-to-you-in-a-way-that-could-lead-to-your-death/

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      You are dangerous.
      Do you read the “About” sections of the people you cite?

      Let me answer that. “No.” Nice list of anti-vaxxer sites you’ve found. Oh, but I should have asked an important question first. Are you an anti-vaxxer? Or, just a dupe?

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Machts nichts.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Robert Kennedy Jr. Third generation trash is found on the left and right.

      2. Deborah Hommer Avatar
        Deborah Hommer

        I have already provided a large amount of information from the CDC, FDA, WHO.
        There’s no satisfying you nor does it appear you will look at the info. You just listen to the puppet media and don’t go look for yourself. Provide me the data to countervail what I state.

        And, by the way, my medical decisions are none of your business, as yours is none of mine. You have a higher chance of dying from cancer, high blood pressure, cardiovascular events than covid. Do some research and think for yourself.

        Here’s some of the data from these sources:

        The CDC clarified in Table 3, “For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death.”

        That literally means that if you were in hospice on your death bed and you died, you were counted as a covid death. There’s a difference between having covid and dying of covid. The cdc said that only 5% died of covid only. That means only 30,500 died of covid only. That’s why I stated you are more likely to die of high blood pressure, high cholesterol or cardiovascular problems. Every syllable matters, as does paying attention to the details. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

        Fauci states, ‘When you look at the level of virus in the nasopharynx of a vaccinated person who gets a breakthrough infection with Delta, it is exactly the same as the level of virus in an unvaccinated person who’s infected.” So the vaccine has zero efficiency???

        And VAERS reports (Harvard study illustrated only 1% gets reported): “VAERS data released today by the CDC showed a total of 438,441 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 9,048 deaths and 41,015 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 2, 2021.”

        The CDC is withdrawing their PCR test and will be transitioning to another FDA-authorized test. It’s curious why they are waiting till December to pull such a faulty test. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

        According to their Laboratory Alert, the PCR tests were not able to detect the difference between Covid and the flu.

        The conflation of tests make sense due to the CDC reporting in 2019 between 24,000-62,000 people died of the flu. However in 2020 only 646 people died due to flu. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

        “The FDA has identified this as a Class I recall, the most serious type of recall. Use of these devices may cause serious injuries or death.” https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/medical-device-recalls/innova-medical-group-recalls-unauthorized-sars-cov-2-antigen-rapid-qualitative-test-risk-false-test

        Here is the WHO’s Dec 2020 notice of the high false positives to the PCR “test elevated risk for false SARS-CoV-2 results when testing specimens using RT-PCR reagents on open systems.”

        Look up article “CDC Pulls PCR Tests Because They Can’t Differentiate Between Covid and Flu.”

        Quote, “The Globe also reported on three doctors in Contra Costa County who were concerned with the excessive COVID PCR testing leading to high numbers of false positive results. Dr. Michael deBoisblanc, Dr. Pete Mazolewski and Dr. Brian Hopkins explain: “PCR testing has proven to be seriously flawed when used to track disease prevalence, and the number of false positive tests has contributed to fear, panic and unnecessary quarantine of many. The peer review of the original Corman-Drosten PCR paper points out the serious flaws and conflicts of interest in the original article describing the PCR test (Peter Borger Et al., 11/27/2020). This paper is the basis for the PCR test used in the United States. On January 21, 2021 the World Health Organization published direction on the interpretation of a positive PCR test. They now caution about calling a test “positive” without symptoms, a confirmatory test, and physician oversight. They also cite the serious problems with high cycle thresholds leading to a high number of false positives. In short, they agree with what we argued last month.”

        “With this information, your COVID positive case numbers are highly suspect and using this data to determine which tier the population falls into has been, and continues to be, completely unreliable and arbitrary. Our recommendation is to move forward quickly with rapid antigen testing. These tests are less expensive, and more appropriately sensitive to detect people with active, contagious disease.” https://californiaglobe.com..

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Well, that answers that. Antivaxxer.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            And I think in Haner’s “rights” and “liberty” tent….

          2. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            She’s been posting this nonsense here for a long time, pre-COVID. Bacon doesn’t block idiots of any stripe as you guys prove several times a day.

            Years ago at the paper I ran across some Catholic anti-birth control fanatics of a similar bent, spewing nonsense and lies to discourage the BCP or even the “snip, snip” solution. Horrible risks, just horrible….scary stuff!

          3. Merchantseamen Avatar

            Have you reported her to the tech company’s to have her thoughts and conservation’s banned? Do you want here and her like to wear a star? How about a Scarlett letter? How about a mark on her hand? She should pay more taxes right? How about taken to a stadium and “processed”. Calling people names and such does not help your standing or your argument. Look at the past 4 years of history and Dr. Fauci “predictions.” The wide spread “viral” respiratory sickness in late 2019. The media and “Democrat” and some Republican politicians hand wringing. It is all in history just read and watch it.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Why would I do that? Her antivax rant has been properly identified now. She is what she is. And you’re welcome.

            It doesn’t matter. When the vaccines are approved by the FDA, this issue will be solved by the insurance companies. Get sick, spend 20 days in an ICU, and the hospital will take your widow’s and orphan’s house, cars, clothes…

          5. Merchantseamen Avatar

            I will never change your mind. Your hate and discontent for the average person. (American?) It appears you spend a lot of time and attention on Republicans being the problem. Good Luck to you and have a great upcoming weekend.

            The most recent Kaiser poll helps illustrate that the
            vaccine hesitant group doesn’t really lean Republican. This Kaiser Poll countered the left’s narrative that it’s Republicans who are most vaccine hesitant.

            The Kaiser Poll data revealed, most “are people who are
            detached from the political process and didn’t vote for either major candidate in 2020.” This according to CNN. Just 20% of the group called themselves Republican with an additional 19% being independents who leaned Republican. The clear majority (61%) were not Republicans (41% said they were Democrats or Democratic leaning independents and 20% were either pure independents or undesignated).

            A look at the data reveals that the vaccine hesitant
            group, however, are not big Trump lovers. They’re actually likely not
            to be Republican. Instead, many of them are people who are detached
            from the political process and didn’t vote for either major candidate in 2020.

            The largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by
            education group was in those with a high school education or less. Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a Ph.D.); by May Ph.D.’s were the most hesitant group. While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, Blacks and Pacific Islanders had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy than whites in May. (UPMC.com)

            Following this trend, a recent MIT study found similar
            results—that “a substantial portion of public-health skepticism was highly informed, scientifically literate, and sophisticated in the use of data,” reports NRO.

          6. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Wow! Nice rant. You her hubby?

            So, they DO lack imagination.

            Fyi, fewer than 80,000 doctorates awarded each year and that was the high, so 50 years of such degrees is 1 small city, say Indianapolis. If 20% are hesitant, nay, make it 50%, it’s a nit. BTW, an Ed.D and a JD definitely lack imagination.

        2. Merchantseamen Avatar

          Thank you I learned more from you than the clowns on all the internet and TV wanna be’s.

      3. Deborah Hommer Avatar
        Deborah Hommer

        If you care to look, here’s a website that is chock full of doctors, lawyers, scientists who disagree with you. https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/fuellmich/

        I provide but there are some who are not willing to even challenge the narrative without any proof.

      4. Merchantseamen Avatar

        What you say right there is the reason some people have hesitancy. You call them names and dangerous just becasue they do not think and act as you WANT them to. YOU are acting like an elitist. DO AS I SAY. Appears you lost the debate without actually researching what was posted and went right to name calling. Classical default Liberalism and Leftism when you run out of argument.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          People have hesitancy because they lack an imagination.

          If they could imagine what the terror of drowning in their own snot, while their internal organs bruise and begin bleeding out, would feel like then they would take the vaccine.

          Personally, I don’t care. Buh-bye says I to these brainless twits… but first, I’ll call them stupid. Wish I could say it to them while they have the tubes in them.

    2. Dr Malone is not the inventor of mRNA. Do your research! He claims to be, but that’s a lie. He has certainly contributed to the field of study though.

      Point being, that he’s not who he says he is, so anything else he says is….. Pick your adjective, but less than trustworthy is a good start.

      As for your other sources, just because someone puts up a website doesn’t make something true. We all rail against the MSM, so why is a random site to be trusted. I like the stop the world control site. That’s a plantiffs lawyer telling you you are being manipulated, without any verified facts. That’s rich.

      I have a new corollary to propose. It’s called BR’s corollary, which is that factual basis of a BR comment is inversely related to its length.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    What it shows is there is NO need to fret VDOE’s plans on antiracism, equity in results, etc., at all. The collective IQ is poised to rise independent of education.

    This virus is going to be around for a long time. Delta, and now Delta Plus, and given the unvaccinated that will not because “I know ma’ rights”, inevitably it will begin defeating the vaccines.

    We’re in a race with a far smarter opponent, which amazingly without a brain is smarter than the dolts who will not vaccinate.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      One scientific doctrine getting an excellent demonstration through all this has been natural selection….both for viruses and people! A definite Darwin Award pending for somebody.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        They are giving out the awards hourly, now.

        BTW, Oswald died for nothing. Newly discovered frames in the Zapruder film shows Kennedy shot first. This internet is amazing.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        The vaccine hesitant are replicating and mutating?

        Gawd save us!

    2. The collective IQ is poised to rise…

      Really? I wonder what these guys have to say about that…


      *From Sunday’s Jeanine’s Memes

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Simply solution — GET VACCINATED. She can’t change color, but she can get a vaccine. BTW, or wear a mask.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        No shirts, no shoes, no mask, no service.

        your choice.

  6. Here are VBI’s charts for “all” survey responses, not just the responses of the unvaccinated.


    No decline in vaccine hesitancy.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      But no INCREASE. So one presumes the white space is “vaccinated” or the usual poll catch all response “don’t know.” 🙂

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        looking at he amount of red , x-axis measure between SW and NoVa.

        is that a larger number of hesitant relative to total?

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Eventually, the graphs will decline to nothing but red and orange and then to the steady state of all white space.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Undergoing peer review, but like all things Covid released as fast as the electrons dry…
    But then, tongue-wagging is not clinical practice, so we’re safe.


  8. Could you please get your information somewhere else? Look at the VAERS numbers (12,000 dead so far, and that’s voluntary reporting; the H1N1 vaccine was pulled after ~50 deaths), listen to the inventor of the mRNA vaccine, Rob Malone (who lives on a horse farm in the area), listen to the front line immunologists and ICU doctors of the FLCCC, and learn about why non-sterilizing vaccines should NEVER be used during a pandemic because the evolutionary pressure on the virus helps make resistant variants. Ask yourself why the success stories around Ivermectin and other drugs (see Peru, India, and Mexico) are censored so much. Nothing to see here?

  9. Publius Avatar

    Wow…it must be nice to have all the wisdom of the Most High and to be able, with absolute certitude, to make decisions for other people over their own health care. Why have you not appeared earlier? Why have you deprived us of the benevolence of your benevolent dictatorships? Wouldn’t mankind be better served with your wisdom imposing your better choices? It is a failure on your part. Perhaps you can now give out baby certificates to permit the “right people” to breed…
    Meanwhile, know when you are winning an argument? Anti-vaxxer. Racist. Conspiracy theorist. Darwin Awards.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Pubius, if you have an MRI and the Doc says you have may have cancer, did you forfeit your own health care decision?

      Would you just not get the MRI because you don’t trust others to do your health care?

      1. Publius Avatar

        Larry – you shouldn’t drink and post…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          serious question. Do you trust Doctors in your health care?

          Or do you just “read” and know from that?

          1. Publius Avatar

            That’s not a serious question. Do you trust Republican politicians? Or just your team? Why not?
            Larry…is it OK in your world for people to make their own health decisions?
            I don’t care if you or anybody CHOOSES this so-called vaccine. My objections are constitutional, legal, and natural liberty based – you can’t mandate this and the mandates are a huge overreach.
            Now, as to the medical issues, I think there are plenty of variables and I trust people to make decisions based on their own circumstances. If you think you need the shot, get the shot and leave everybody else alone.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            When you make your health decisions – who do you rely on for information to allow you to make informed choices?

            Would you rely on politicians whom you like?

            How about “smart people” who may not have much if any background in medicicine ?

            If the doctor tells you that your PSA is high is that something you need to consult with politicians about?

            Would you trust your doc to tell you the truth about the issue?

            If you doctor told you that the vaccine is safe and it’s in your best interests to get it ? Or in a congregate setting , wear a mask – or even wear a mask if you see him?

          3. Publius Avatar

            If I told you I read the Bible 100 times and am an expert and then ordered you to do something cuz the Bible sez, would you obey?
            If I told you I am a lwayer, and CRT is unconstitutional, would you disavow it? If I told you the vaccine mandate is unConstitutional (cuz it is), would you agree and stop advocating for it? Why are you trying to dissolve the Union?
            Is it OK to get a second medical opinion? Why would anybody do that? Should they be punished? Is it POSSIBLE that none of the f-ing experts have any idea what they are doing as everything they are doing wrt Covid is contrary to prior human experience? How many viruses have we eradicated? So why different this time? Is it POSSIBLE that an individual can make a better informed decision than you? That that decision BELONGS to THAT PERSON?
            I am so sick of you wannabe tyrants who don’t know what you are talking about and don’t respect fundamental liberty?
            I’m going to be the diet czar and require everybody to lose weight. No more cheesecake for you, Larry!

  10. PassTheBuckBureaucrat Avatar

    There was also the “you don’t need a mask” lie. We all know why fauci et al said it, but it was still a lie to grown adults.

    Once you lie, you lose trust. These little fibs have long-term consequences.

    Disclaimer: My family & I are proudly, fully vaxxed. I still don’t trust the Pols. In DJs rant, you can replace Chi-Coms with US-Pols.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      When Fauci and other scientists tell you something then later say something different – do you think it might be because of more data and info they have gathered and it changed their guidance?

      Do you think, for instance, they acknowledge knew there would be variants that were more transmissible and that in turn might affect their guidance?

      If you don’t trust, then why get vaxxed? Why not be like the ones that don’t trust and dont vax?

      what’s different that makes you “trust” the vaccine that did come from the government?

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